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 Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:33 am
I dont know if anyone else has had the same experiences as i have but i've noticed some of the better musicians out there are pretty stuck up.
I once went to a Wynton Marsalis concert here in Seattle and he talked to the audience like we knew "nothing" about jazz in general. I felt kinda insulted by his tone of voice and such.
Also from all the kids in the better jazzbands in highschool they always kinda had this stuck up attitude. The "I'm too good for marchingband and concertband" attitude.
It's probably just me...
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:03 pm
I noticed that too.. I had gotten a brand new saxophone for christmas and this one guy who sits next to me in band noticed it and told our chair leader and was like isn't that a nice sax?!?!? And the chairleader, Russ, who plays on a Yamaha was like ya.. but I'm still better..
Argh.. I hate that kid.. there are more reasons.. but it'll just make me mad! lol! blaugh
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:20 pm
Yeah, ego is definately something that plagues our ranks quite a lot, both in Jazz and in Classical. How many prima-donna violin or flute players have you run into? The reason I think it's so prevalent in music is that you have to have a certain amount of ego to be able to get up and perform in front of other people. And when you're up on stage and have an audience in front of you cheering and clapping for the solo you just did, it's hard to not let it go to your head a bit.
One of my favorite musician jokes: How many trumpet players does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Five; one to screw it in, and four more to tell him how much better they could have done it. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:22 pm
I am guilty of having a big head sweatdrop but that's because i was the best sax player in highschool (didnt say much) When i got to college i realized everyone was better than me it was quite the humbling experience.
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Fashionable Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:47 pm
I don't think it's just you I think it's Wynton. He's got that reputation.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:56 pm
Yes, some are. They tend to make ignorant observations about music they know nothing about, and over-emphasize their own skill. Hell, that's why I get into so many damn arguments in the Jazz/Classical/Blues forum. xp
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:48 pm
Like any form of high art, the artists are prone to arrogance. The Jazz scene will always have it's fair share of egotistical players, but the trick is to just ignore them and focus on your own love for the music.
Also, don't let yourself get down because you feel you can't live up to someone else's standards or ability to play. Music is all about expressing yourself through sound, and if you don't feel you can express yourself completely, practice until you can. Find your own sound. smile
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:24 pm
the key is to finding a group to play in on your own !!
that way you can play with friends instead of being forced to play with a bunch of pricks...
any GOOD jazz player knows....jazz is something that cant be taught over night...
youre always learning....
if people dont realize that....theyre not true to jazz...
so basically......no jazz musician should ever be elitist..
sure theres some standards.... but its a huge learning curve...
i can see how bands who do set songs....how they can get pretty elitist..
but improvising players?? i think not..... theyre usually more open....
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:30 pm
I find that in general they have a much more elitist attitude toward forms of music that they know absolutely NOTHING about (metal comes to mind), more often than arrogance within their own ranks, however, I know that happens, too. Personally, I think any good musician should be able to drop the ego to help someone who's not as experienced and not as good learn, not just jazz musicians.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:17 pm
I find it funny that some even hate other forms of jazz, like types of fusion and acid jazz.
I know guys who just like straight ahead swing and hate to play anything else.
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Fashionable Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:49 pm
Yeah... Personally, I see most of this in classical musicians at my high school, probably because, like any good player, they take pride in their music. Just a bit too much, lol... anyone that might play as good or better wounds their pride, methinx.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:14 am
Sadly it's true. Most of the better musicians have such an air about them...it makes me sad. Then when someone comes along better than them they cry avout it. It's actually humiliating to me as a musician. We're such touchy individuals. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:33 pm
MHHornfreak I find it funny that some even hate other forms of jazz, like types of fusion and acid jazz. I know guys who just like straight ahead swing and hate to play anything else. Haha, that's true. I hate purists who claim fusion isn't a form of jazz.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:33 pm
MHHornfreak, in regard to Wynton, I generally can't stand him. Even his playing style sounds stuck up.
Some of the best jazz musicians are actually pretty humble when it comes down to the music. Take Miles, for example. A very egocentric person, yet, once he spoke of how "everyone is saying 'oh, look at what Miles is doing! Its important!' I'm just trying to make some music."
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:50 pm
Saurencaerthai MHHornfreak, in regard to Wynton, I generally can't stand him. Even his playing style sounds stuck up. Some of the best jazz musicians are actually pretty humble when it comes down to the music. Take Miles, for example. A very egocentric person, yet, once he spoke of how "everyone is saying 'oh, look at what Miles is doing! Its important!' I'm just trying to make some music." Miles was quite the humble man for what he was, but he had every right to be cocky if he wanted... for one thing, he was considered to be a very handsome and good looking man, and he always had ladies hanging off him or wanting to hang off him... and you're right, all he wanted to do was make music, but he was really damn good at it and I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to be egotistical about it... that's some damn fine music from Miles, he's my jazz idol biggrin But on the whole, I think humility (not humiliation) is important for all musicians, not just jazz players... it's good to take pride in your music, but unless you have backup from friends and critics, don't think that your music is the greatest thing ever composed... unless you're Miles incarnate lol xd
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