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 Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:22 am
I've been thinking about this for a little while, and I'm wondering, what is the best method of healing for a person? Mentally, emotionally and physically? And why do you tihnk that way is best? I personally think Herbal is the better way for physical healing in the long run. They've been around for centuries and long before Medical healing was even conceived. And the methods that worked back then still work today, unlike medicines of yore. What do the rest of you think?
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:09 am
I would be inclined to say herbs, except for the fact that some healing herbs only heal the skin, and leave way for infections underneath the skin. Chemical medicines are only good for major things that could not be fixed by natural means. Herbs that could help things remain clean, though, would be best.
Generally, though, I think happiness, and time with one you love more than anything would be the most beneficial. Just so everything would be real and natural. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:14 am
Personally, I believe that it's not what you take or what you receive as much as your attitude about it.
Case in point: Old people.
I have known old people who die from getting a small cut that gets infected, or who die from a cold. However, medical science or herbal remedies did not necessarily help. Why? Because that person had a bad life. Because his/her children and family members never came to see them. Because they were disabled and miserable in a nursing home where they were completely and totally ignored; left to die.
I have also known older people who live to very ripe old ages. My great grandmother lived to be 105 years old! Why? Because her family was always there. They visited her, and her daughters lived with her for awhile, until she had to go to a nursing home because of a reoccuring medical problem. However, even there, everyone visited her and she was very much loved.
When she passed away, she did it in her sleep, and peacefully.
Another case in point: babies.
When a baby is born premature, they often have to be hooked up to machines and all kinds of stuff to keep them alive. However, they noticed that preemies died a lot, even with all the medical attention. Why? No one knew.
Then they did an experiment where preemies were touched by the staff, carefully and delicately massaged, and talked to.
The survival rate of preemies skyrocketed to 90%.
The medicine doesn't heal you. It just kills the stuff that is damaging you so that your BODY can heal.
Therefore, give your body the credit it's due. You might not have the healing capacity of Superman, but if you allow your body to do so, you'll be able to heal a lot more thoroughly if you rely more on your capabilities as a body, instead of relying on medicine as a crutch.
Notice, I'm not saying NEVER use medicine, but I do know that there is a lot of truth in "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." My immune system is a lot stronger because I don't take cold medicine (which only masks symptoms anyway). I've noticed that even with herbal remedies, you shouldn't rely on them too much. They may aid you, but the most powerful weapon against disease and for healing is your own body.
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:11 am
Ah, finally a tough debate. Doctor's Offices may seem like the best way to go in fighing infection and disease, but wouldnt that bring them closer to "playing god"? Ive done research about Nanomedicine, which is currently being developed, and they hope that Nanomedicine will be able to cure everything from the common cold, to brain tumors. However, this then brings up the question, "should we be able to cure everything that occurs in our body"? If we can control how to fight off infections, we pretty much have our body at our brians twisted mercy. Medicinal Herbs also raise a good point, which is, hundreds of years ago, one of the methods of healing, and dulling pain, was medicinal herbs. They didnt have a doce of Penecillian when England was at war with France (first midieval war that came to mind), they had to stick with the healing properties of the plants growing around. As for the emotional methods of healing, I dont know too much about it, so I dont have anything to say about it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:12 am
I personally would be far more willing to trust medical doctors and modern techniques for dealing with more severe issues; herbal medicine doesn't help a broken leg heal properly nearly as well as proper splinting does, as one ancient example. In more modern terms, cancers and the like essentially require therapy methods far more advanced than what plant-based methods can provide.
That said, properly-used herbal supplements can be and are very good health aides, and for more minor issues (especially common colds and the like), it's far cheaper and just about as effective to look into herbal aides (especially teas) than to go running to the doctor.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:39 pm
This is your friendly neighborhood pragmatic, and I need to say this now:
Dubya. Tee. Eff.
Modern medicine has cured more disease then Microsoft has monopolized the computer industry.
Herbal medicine and the vast majority of the alternative crap have cured about as much medicine then Playboy. And for the record, I don't think that Playboy has made any valid contributions to health and happiness past the fapfapfap variety.
Why? It's simple: modern medicine includes antibiotics, techniques, vaccines, equipment, etc. that have an effect against crap that would otherwise kill you, or make your life a living hell. This is because whatever modern medicine uses begins from the ground-up: from animal testing, to human testing, and then the double-blind, extensive testing that tests for the placebo effect and makes sure that it isn't the body's immune system doing the work (Or the disease recessing) before they can even be used. Side-effects are determined, a dosage is established, and voila. Treatment, along with a relative measure of happiness, to a problem that may not have existed.
I know it isn't perfect- opponents may point out to a small number of cases where long-term use of a drug was harmful, or that there was an adverse side effect. They're made into big deals because they tend to be the exceptions, not the norm. But the bottom line is, a person's cancer regresses, their heart is transplanted, their HIV is kept from ravaging their immune system, whatever.
Cue the alternative medicine. How about it? Any cancer cured? Any regeneration of major organs? Viruses? Bacteria? Broken bones? Torn ligaments? Ingrown toenails?
And what about the testing? Is there any double-blind testing for animals, leading to human trials? Are dosages accurately prescribed? Side-effects warned of? Anything beyond a wild-eyed happenin' hipster with a crooked smile and something holistic to sell?
Hell no. The argument given by herbalists is that what they're using has been used for thousands of years. Well, that's just peachy; the brutal subversion of women as second-class citizens have been going on for millenia, too. Hatred, bigotry, rascism, and ignorance have been going on just as long as herbalism, if not longer- that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Screw herbs. I'm going with what's going to work. =p So should you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:02 pm
One word (well, web address actually): QuackWatch.orgSince modern medicine actually started being put to the scientific method, it has more reliably cured, helped, and rehabilitated more people than folk medicine ever will, because at large, herbology, homeopathy, acupuncture, TCM, and other bullshit medicine is worthless. I find it hard to believe sometimes that people want to seriously talk about how much better folk medicine is than modern medicine when the country most of this crap comes from (China) has an infant mortality rate (the generally accepted standard for measuring how effective health care is) over three times that of the United States, and almost 4 times that of the European Union. Additionally, the life expectancy of people in third world countries where all they have is herbs and roots is often a considerable amount less than in modernized countries, with our higher quality food, clean tap water, and generally higher standard of living. If you ever want to know just how badly "alternative" medicine stacks up in scientific trials, just visit the aforementioned website, QuackWatch.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:46 pm
Come on, we have a really serious topic here...let's not let it die.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:08 pm
M0rgan Come on, we have a really serious topic here...let's not let it die. Not dead. Dormant. Like every other topic in this guild and the guild itself. If you want more responses, bring in more active members. That's the only real way to get it goin' in these parts
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:30 am
*Induces novice CPR to the thread* LIVE!
Alright, I seen pretty much all the points that needed to be said as far as I know. Medical intervention of more serious problems is far better than herbal medicinal help, your body is ridiculously potent at regenerating certain things but not as exagerated as troll or Superman and it can 1-up infection with an open can of whoop-a** 24/7 unless other complications incur. Let's focus on more basic properties of herbal medicine; antibiotics, protein supplements and the likes. My friend William, who was chair of research in one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies, told me some secrets of research (info outdated by...3 years though) that could poke and prod your curiosity a tad.
It seems that most antibiotics of today that are found (though still nothing was found or engineered that was stronger than vancomycin) are in plants; coincidently, plants that were already being used by a people in the past or still used by aboriginese tribes to fight infections (which clashed with my thinking at the time of good ol' trial and errors when it came to finding the sources). Then it's just a matter of using modern techniques of gene manipulations to add the proper DNA strand that codes for that antibiotic and with the help of modern medicine's use of restriction enzymes, cut and paste into an E.coli and PCR the whole thing to have the antibiotic in bulk! Then we got arthritis drugs and the likes that come from certain cacti and flowers here and there for the "adjusting drug" once an arthritis changes types.
Whatever, the point I am making (which is moot anyways *shrug*) is that herbal medicine can't compete with modern medicine since it's a basic of modern medicine. You have to think about it this way: one wouldn't have been here without the other, and that other would be called modern if the one wasn't there to start with! Herbal has it's place, but not a lucrative place, so it's not going to be recognized to the public by associations that have any leverage in the scientific community. There is a buttload, no, more than that; a Bono crapload of incredibly efficient drugs and treatments that are being "put on hold" because they are too effective and costly. These they CAN put on hold, because they are the ones who engineered the product(s). Hebal medicine can't be censured because...well, some of them do grow on trees, and it would be pretty fascist of them to abolish all plant-life on Earth.
*is tired and going to take his shower*
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