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 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:58 pm
Sort of a continuation on the discussion in the cafe.
Continue.
Or begin.
Either works.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:04 pm
Love is binding, it is trust, care, emotion, and a ton of other things. Love is being able to say, "I love you," even after your spouse just embarrassed the h*** out of you. It's being able to share moments together, to express feelings to each other without regret. Love is like a binding contract, the ring symbolizes a signature, it will forever bind the two souls as a partnership.
It is never ending, it will confuse and excite you at the same time. Love through emotion is and will always be the strongest emotion to have and share.
~shadow
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:14 am
But that is basically what I was saying, Shadra. You need to find someone who cares and trusts you enough to respect your opinion and come to compromises when your ideas oppose each other. Someone who you can finish their sentences, and know what their thinking before anyone else does. Someone with whom you just know. Anyone who is truly in love will tell you, there's no set way to tell if you're in love; you just know. Love is honesty even when it could hurt you, because you know if you're honest, and you apologize, things will be alright. Love is so much more than an emotion, because you can be in love and still feel anger, or sorrow, or joy. Love is a condition of the mind and soul.
Though I disagree with the whole binding contract, ring as a signature part. I don't personally believe in marriage, nor would I have agreed to get married if it hadn't seemed so important to Phil.
My parents have been together twenty-one years this September, and they aren't married, there's no ring, no "binding contract." They love each other, and that's all there is to it. They are a family, with my brother and I. And while they do fight, so does everyone. I've had arguments with Phil! Its a natural part of existence, and the part that brings you closer together is being able to still love each other after these fights, being able to come to a compromise after a big argument. Love, True Love, can weather all storms. Ring on the finger or no.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:15 am
I think love is also pacients. Being willing to wait for them, no matter what.
Love also takes time, I have known Matt sinse the beginning of high school, and only now are things progressing. Slowely still though.
Love is also amazement. Anything they do wrong or silly, just makes you love them more. That also comes in with respect, for you respect everything they do even if he abides by a curfew when he is almost 19 you have to respect that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:24 am
Love doesn't have to mean the one you are meant to spend the rest of your life with. Love is a versatile thing.
You can love your friends with all your heart, but that doesn't mean you want to get married with them. You can love your family in the same way. You love your pets for who they are, and the companionship outside of human contact they bring.
Yes, you can still love a person in /that/ way. That's the love most people tend to think about. It's an unconditional feeling towards the other. You want to be with them. You want them to be happy. If you can have nothing else, you just want to be next to them, feel their touch, cuddle 'til the end of time.
But people do express their love in different ways. While I don't study couples or anything, I know that how a person loves another will vary from person to person. Where one might smother their significant other in kisses and hugs, another may glue their self to the other's hip.
Love is, overall, a good feeling inside. A warmth, or such else that one could conjure up in place of warmth, deep within one's being. It's caring about someone, and feeling for them, whether or not they are your significant other, a friend, a family member, a pet, or even a stranger.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:14 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:42 pm
What is Love.... The older I get, the less qualified I feel to actually disclose its nature. Love can mean many things to many people--but make no mistake: Love indeed does have its own nature. Perhaps even its own agenda, though this may be a bit of a stretch--unexplained, that is.
In truth, I find it so interesting to listen to all the things people think about Love. There is a grain of truth in what everyone has said so far--but Muse, I don't think I could ever allow myself to find a wikipedia link to unconditional love acceptable.
~Andrew
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:13 pm
Leavaros What is Love.... The older I get, the less qualified I feel to actually disclose its nature. Love can mean many things to many people--but make no mistake: Love indeed does have its own nature. Perhaps even its own agenda, though this may be a bit of a stretch--unexplained, that is. In truth, I find it so interesting to listen to all the things people think about Love. There is a grain of truth in what everyone has said so far--but Muse, I don't think I could ever allow myself to find a wikipedia link to unconditional love acceptable. ~Andrew
I know. wink
I wish I spoke Japanese. They have a different word for every type of love.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:26 pm
ha, muse and I'm the one taking Japanese this semester... go figure.
I agree with you LD, though with age comes wisdom, so it's a lot harder to just flat out say what you really want to since you have so much more thoughts on it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:26 pm
Wow, talk about beating a dead horse. Really, I congratulate everyone for over thinking probably the most obvious thing in world.
If anyone feels like getting their back up fine, I know Muse and Tommy have been in serious relationships, Muse got married and gave birth, Tommy was proposed to. I'm not quantifying or qualifying them to make my point, I'm just trying to figure out why we're all here debating something that doesn't need to be debated.
Love, its universal definition, is a personal bond between two things. Nothing more, nothing less. I see words coming up like "unconditional" and I feel sick. I'm not angry that the only person who made any comment about my last post in the Cafe was Muse, since I've more or less resigned myself to being the voice of arrogance no one really pays attention to anyhow.
It just makes me sick when people try and cheapen something like what's going on here. I'm just watching theories get thrown around, and yes, I do feel like I'm wise enough to have the answer, and I'll share it if people decide that for once in their lives they'll shut up and just accept something for what it is.
Everyone will agree that love is a bond between two people described as a positive relationship. What isn't always agreed upon is that it isn't always a two way street. Love is not to be assumed as two blocks of Lego fitted together, by way of the same simile, love is little more than a single block of Lego waiting for another to connect to it in a constantly changing environment. No where does it say love should be unconditional, for the very FACT that that is assumed, makes it a conditional event. Love itself is a condition, you can only love someone on the condition they are what they are or even pretend to be.
Love, quite simply in a noun, not to be confused with it verbal form, loving, which is what can be expressed through a singular medium that receives little to no similar benefits as the receiver or such that it IS reciprocated and therefore both gain equal benefits. There nothing wrong with love being one sided, because to say it is wrong is to introduce morality and ethics, and I have never found a single person able to produce a debate worthy of consideration when it comes to morals and ethics.
Please, PLEASE, do not try and debate quantified or even qualified love, just don't. I'll tell you why, because doing so makes one look like an idiot. Because doing so means that love can be quantified and given ranks of quality. Because simply allowing oneself to believe such a thing is utterly damning to their philosophical credibility, which means people are less likely to care what your opinion is.
Take myself for example, yes, I'll put myself on the chopping block because I'm sure I've pissed at least one person off by writing this.
I've been with my girl friend for nearly six years, three years ago, she made a very bad mistake which ended our relationship. Low and behold, we got back together, and I love her now as I did then, passionately and truly. I know for a fact, beyond a doubt she feels the same way because she is still trying to make it up to me despite my protests.
Now maybe its because we knew each other for two years before we dated, or maybe its because we're two very level headed people, haven't quite ironed it out yet. But our relationship has lasted and was repaired and will last until I'm dead because of Love. And not an unconditional love, because there were conditions. Just love, love as the bond between her and I. Nothing perverted by ideas or delusions of what it might be.
I know I know what love is, because I'm in love, and as soon as I can there'll be a ring on her finger. I'm sorry, but it pisses me the ******** off when I read immature, ignorant things like this written by people who I don't even think have ever been in a real relationship. Not including Muse and I'm going to say Tommy as well because honestly I don't think it could have been anything else but genuine if he proposed to you. I'm hoping you both know that love is not fantastical, some crooked wet dream of ignorant adolescents (no Drew I'm not targeting you just people your age), but its a real thing that shouldn't be cheapened but just accepted and not harassed in paragraph after paragraph of refinement.
Some of you might be thinking I'm odd because I'm talking about love as if its a thing, nay, a real thing. Well, as I stated above, love is classified as a noun, and any 3rd grade English student can happily chime off: Noun, person, place or thing, in an eerily cheery manor.
I'm finished, this took like an hour to write.
Justin
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:31 pm
Lion: no, it's a discussion more than a debate...
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:38 pm
Well said, Lion.
Might I say, though... That we are writers. We over analize and refine a thought until our brains catch fire. I didn't realize that we are probably digging too deep into something that is, as you (kind of) said; simple.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:38 pm
Balderdash, you know there's almost no difference between those two words?
And even if we want to get technical, I'm still offended by the callous way ignorance has been thrown around.
EDIT
I don't think being a writer means that we are obligated to over think. We put pen to paper in creative ways, we are masters of microcosm, what do we really have to think about? Imagination gives us muse (no pun intended) and we create.
I don't think there's too much more to being a writer, and if there is, I need to learn sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:40 pm
um, yeah, what muse said... just over analyzing it... so, you want something different, create a topic...
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:43 pm
Of course he has the freedom to create a new discussion thread, but this is an interesting topic. I love hearing what everyone has to say on the subject. This isn't just a thread about love. It's also about relationships. Any kind of relationship. Kind of open ended.
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