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Is the minus wave really the problem?
  yes. What else would it be?
  Maybe...
  NO! it's obviously a comspiracy! D<
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xXTeaxLoverXx

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:03 pm


I've recently been pondering this. I'm a huge fan on the saiyuki manga which I have all the volumes to except for three. Volume four of the original series and 5 an 7 of reloaded. Because I love the series to much to pass up a volume when I find it so I kinda bought some out of order. sweatdrop yeah I know I suck. Well anyone who reads the manga to the most recent volume (reload cool will probably agree. It seemed like in the begining of the story all the demons(youkai) had just gone crazy and decide to kill and this was illustrated by the anime to but as the story goes on it seems more and more complex. They are capable or organized assault and they follow a leader. And if anyone has read saiyuki reloaded 8 they even have they're own towns which are very civilized. It just seems to me that the youkai are rioting against the humans not insane or magically murderous. I don't know whats really going on it seems like the minus wave isn't really an important factor at all. Is it just me or does anyone else read into it this much. sweatdrop either way I love the series so I'll stay tuned
PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:49 pm


I truly think the minus wave only unleashed the Youkai's inner evil. They always had an inner desire for humans and some couldn't live or be near humans without attacking them. The Minus wave just opened up their more 'natural' instincts i guess.

KiRaSecRet


xXTeaxLoverXx

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:11 pm


I'm not so sure it seems like your saying the youkai are evil but look at kougaji and yaone it just seems if that were true they would be all psycho and stuff too
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:38 am


Doomed_StarShooter
I'm not so sure it seems like your saying the youkai are evil but look at kougaji and yaone it just seems if that were true they would be all psycho and stuff too


The youkai weren't all evil before the wave came about because they seemed to live among humans. The reason why kougaji/Yaone and the rest didnt go beserk must be because of the power limiters they are wearing, once they take it off they go out of control.

Shizuka Masuda


xXTeaxLoverXx

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:50 am


but power limiters disguise appearance as well which their ears and youkai markings no longer present which for the most part other than some episodes they aren't wearing limiters while hakkai and goku always ear their power limiters at all times unless in time of crisis
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:23 pm


Doomed_StarShooter
but power limiters disguise appearance as well which their ears and youkai markings no longer present which for the most part other than some episodes they aren't wearing limiters while hakkai and goku always ear their power limiters at all times unless in time of crisis


Not just their appearance but their true powers as well. And they wear it at all times too because if they dont, they go out of control. Goku's circlet, Hakkai's earrings, Yaone's bracelet and I suppose that Kougaji's limiter is his earrings. Goyjo doesnt need one because he's a half-breed. 3nodding

Shizuka Masuda


Impulsive Priestess

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:27 am


Well I have only read Vol 8 in Japanese but from what I see maybe some of the yokai are fed up with how some humans treat them. Also maybe because of the minuse waves some yokai that are not affected are scared of what might happen to them so they joined the town in vol 8. I hope this makes sence. This is just a thought though. ^_^
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:32 pm


Impulsive Priestess
Well I have only read Vol 8 in Japanese but from what I see maybe some of the yokai are fed up with how some humans treat them. Also maybe because of the minuse waves some yokai that are not affected are scared of what might happen to them so they joined the town in vol 8. I hope this makes sence. This is just a thought though. ^_^


Finally someone voices their opinion on this subject.Thank God!

xXTeaxLoverXx


Impulsive Priestess

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:32 pm


Doomed_StarShooter
Impulsive Priestess
Well I have only read Vol 8 in Japanese but from what I see maybe some of the yokai are fed up with how some humans treat them. Also maybe because of the minuse waves some yokai that are not affected are scared of what might happen to them so they joined the town in vol 8. I hope this makes sence. This is just a thought though. ^_^


Finally someone voices their opinion on this subject.Thank God!


Your welcome ^_^.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:34 pm


The minus wave pretty much screwed up all days of demons and humans leaving peacefully. Humans no longer trust the demons and so fights break out between them now no matter if the demon wants to kill or make peace with the humans. Those days of living in peace are going to be hard to get back once the minus wave is completely gone. Goku and Hakkai may have limiters, but I saw in the anime during the Hazel series, they were all talking about how Goku, Hakkai, and Gojyo will one day go berserk themselves. Goku made Sanzo promise to shoot him if he ever did finally go berserk. The limiters only seem to help delay it longer for Goku and Hakkai and Gojyo is a half-breed so his human blood seems to delay it too.

Wormmon

Friendly Gaian


Tabatha_Twitchet

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:28 am


I believe that all people, whether human or youkai, have the ability to be good or bad or somewhere in between. Youkai are naturally more powerful than humans and more connected with the earth. If something goes screwy with the balance of things (like the minus wave) , they are more likely to go insane.

Youkai children seem to be an exception of the minus wave. It is my theory that since they were innocent and had no reason to go insane, they did not. Youkai adults/adolescents, however, had already dealt with a lifetime of average suffering, plus the discrimination of being a youkai. And they were discriminated against. Perhaps not by all humans, perhaps not blatantly, but they were discriminated against.

I believe that the minus wave simply tore down the walls that separated the people's inhibitions, because in my view, the youkai weren't the only ones to go insane. Sure, they did it in a bigger way (see paragraph 1 ) but the humans were willing to torture youkai children and start wars instead of trying to work things out, or find a better solution. They were willing to use the youkai as a scapegoat for everything that went wrong in their lives instead of accepting that something went wrong. It became like the witch hunts of Europe and America. They didn't mind the Sanzo party until they found out that Hakkai and Goku were wearing limiters, even though they were perfectly nice.

Please excuse the wall of text. Youkai are a subject near and dear to my heart.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:34 pm


If i am not mistaken, the minus wave did affect all youkai. It basically woke up their inner self, like being born again. Except this time instead of looking at humans as friends, they look more like cattle. But i do believe that youkai like Kou and Yaone aren't affected, simply because they are of a stronger willpower, at least that's what i remember reading (it was somewhere in the manga, i'm sure of it. probably reload)

teh uchiha kappa


Tabatha_Twitchet

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:14 am


I'm nearly sure that it said that the minus wave didn't affect children and some adult youkai.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:27 pm


Well the minues waves don't affect all yokai at first but after a while it does get to them. There are several areas in the manga where some yokai are normal and then all of a sudden they snap for one reason or another.

Impulsive Priestess


THIS GIRLZ

PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:27 am


I personally don't think that the youkai were evil at all to begin with but somehow the minus wave triggered something in the Freudian part of their brains that caused them to go all evil and stuff... Just a speculation.
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