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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:30 pm
This was an interesting Topic first time around, and I hope it will be again. Original Post which in do you belive in? creatism-god made the owrld and adam and eve that eventually made us evolution-we came from other living things such as apes I beleive in a bit of both but I lean more towards evolution whats your thoughts?
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:07 am
I 'belive' in evolution (I'm a atheist).
But I think that one of the things that makes some people choose not to belive in evolution (except for the obvious fact that a god didn't create all life) is that most people stuck in the whole "we come from apes" thing, making some people feel degraded to be a decendant of a lower race. But what some of them don't realise is that since it is evoltion we're talkn about, we've improved since the apes; evolution makes the current being better in the future (or at least better as to adapt (sp?) to our surroundings.
These are just my thoughts, I respect people of other religeous belives (again, sp?) and I'm not trying to force my belives on to those who don't share my point of view.
Thank you for the word =3
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:35 pm
I believe in Creationism myself. That's really all I'll say though, cause there's a lot of arguments on either side, and if you started debating it could go on for a while lol.
Though I will say that if anyone wishes to debate these theories with me, I'd be glad to. ^^
Though I have to say that saying it's an obvious fact God didn't create life is in itself eh...well, not exactly something to base any scientific belief off of. It's not an obvious fact that the big bang happened (which logically, when you take science and look at all the details of even just a single cell, is somewhat an amusing theory).
Oops, I'm getting off track lol. I tend to do that. Anyways, this guild looks like it might be fun!
p.s. I like to debate, in case anyone noticed. Not argue until someones actually mad though...xD
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:42 pm
I don't know, I always say both. If God's such the great guy everyone makes him out to be [I do believe in a God, by the way], why couldn't he create evolution? Create Earth, create evolution, POW. Now he's got a fun expiriment to play with.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:13 pm
Personally i've always been one to believe in Creationism since i believe in God but sometimes i wonder if evolution isn't really what created everything. However, then if i think on it more i wonder if maybe both happened? God created the world through evolution so like adam and eve were created and people and animals evolved through time idk. Like God could've created what we consider the Big Bang theory...just something to think about
But i will say this for some reason and with no logical sense or theory to back this up I refuse to believe we come from apes, idk why but i just do. I would rather believe we evolved through many different species.
To be honest i kind of go back and forth between theories all the time...I guess you could say it depends on what mood i'm in and what time of day it is lol. neutral
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:23 pm
The reason why God didn't create evolutionism is found in just the fact that you can ask almost any evolutionist and they'll all tell you that they don't believe in a god. Now why would God make something that leads away from beleiving in Him?
Lol and Oogii, God doesn't play with us as if we're here for His entertainment. The forces of darkness mess with us if we let them, but all God wants is for is to believe in Him and have faith. We're His beloved children that He'll take care of, not toys.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:46 pm
SerenaxSarial The reason why God didn't create evolutionism is found in just the fact that you can ask almost any evolutionist and they'll all tell you that they don't believe in a god. Now why would God make something that leads away from beleiving in Him? Lol and Oogii, God doesn't play with us as if we're here for His entertainment. The forces of darkness mess with us if we let them, but all God wants is for is to believe in Him and have faith. We're His beloved children that He'll take care of, not toys. ^^ Not 'play,' as if with toys. 'Play' as in expiriment. Besides, I'm talking about evolution. He wants to make people, doesn't he? Didn't he? As the evolution takes place, say, he 'plays' with the appearence. Why wouldn't he? If he loves us so much, why not have us adapt? Test out certain things. Play around. Give us thumbs and say, "Well! It's more convenient for them to have thumbs, I'll give them thumbs." And so on. As for him creating something that leads people from not believing in him, I'd have to counter that with this: why would he give people different and unique mindsets, then? Different and unique views? Anyone who has a different view is going to do something different. See, I think of God as a father figure [a GOOD father figure]. One who doesn't care if we hate him, he'll still love us. Even if we don't believe in him, he'll still love us. If we turn away, he'll love us. Yet, he's a parent. Does he give you every single thing you pray for? No. Otherwise, that'd be bad parenting. Does he punish us if we do something immoral? Supposedly. Does he help us in times we need help the most? I've seen it happen. [sarcasim]And if we were his toys, I'm sure he wouldn't break us.[/sarcasim]Edit: This isn't even ABOUT God, though. To stay on context, a sentence: Truthfully, evolution through creationism makes more sense. Doesn't matter how evolutionsists think and why God would do that. The two together suits my opinions; plus it doesn't piss anyone off too bad, either.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:48 pm
Shadowcloud00 But i will say this for some reason and with no logical sense or theory to back this up I refuse to believe we come from apes, idk why but i just do. I would rather believe we evolved through many different species. Technically, scientifically, we didn't. We just grew off the same branch in the evolutionary tree, hence the similarities. It's a well-known myth. Just thought I'd...throw that out there. xD
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:28 pm
0ogii SerenaxSarial The reason why God didn't create evolutionism is found in just the fact that you can ask almost any evolutionist and they'll all tell you that they don't believe in a god. Now why would God make something that leads away from beleiving in Him? Lol and Oogii, God doesn't play with us as if we're here for His entertainment. The forces of darkness mess with us if we let them, but all God wants is for is to believe in Him and have faith. We're His beloved children that He'll take care of, not toys. ^^ Not 'play,' as if with toys. 'Play' as in expiriment. Besides, I'm talking about evolution. He wants to make people, doesn't he? Didn't he? As the evolution takes place, say, he 'plays' with the appearence. Why wouldn't he? If he loves us so much, why not have us adapt? Test out certain things. Play around. Give us thumbs and say, "Well! It's more convenient for them to have thumbs, I'll give them thumbs." And so on. As for him creating something that leads people from not believing in him, I'd have to counter that with this: why would he give people different and unique mindsets, then? Different and unique views? Anyone who has a different view is going to do something different. See, I think of God as a father figure [a GOOD father figure]. One who doesn't care if we hate him, he'll still love us. Even if we don't believe in him, he'll still love us. If we turn away, he'll love us. Yet, he's a parent. Does he give you every single thing you pray for? No. Otherwise, that'd be bad parenting. Does he punish us if we do something immoral? Supposedly. Does he help us in times we need help the most? I've seen it happen. [sarcasim]And if we were his toys, I'm sure he wouldn't break us.[/sarcasim]Adapt? The world started out perfect when God created it. Adam and Eve made a choice to sin, and in doing so the world was no longer perfect and has been slowly dying. As time progresses, this world has only become more corrupt. He doesn't want us to adapt to this world; in fact He even says so in His word, the Bible. He gave people freedom of choice though. God is perfect and infallible, and He is perfectly just. There are different mindsets and beliefs out there because Satan has decieved people into believing in them. Jesus was sent to give us a choice. Either follow Him, or don't. Don't meaning believing in everything and anything that isn't of Him. People can believe that pigs fly, but that doesn't make it so. There are millions of beliefs and views, but only one truth. God does think of us as His children, but only the people that accept Him and what the Bible says. He loves everyone, but everyone isn't automatically under His blessing as His children. And He doesn't punish us as some think. Bad things happen because of Satan and his hate for the world. Satan never had what we have; forgiveness. And he hates us for that. It's your choice about what you'll believe in. But you ahd better be very sure about that choice. Um, ask any strong evolutionist and they will fiercely argue against creationism. They'll even go so far as to contradict themselves and say that maybe we were planted by a higher life force, or maybe creationism is a little right, but they will not accept any creationism that has Jesus Christ at the head. This is about God in the end. It's what it's always been about. btw a good movie to check out that debates this eh...debate lol is Expelled. Ben Stein interviews leading evolutionists and creationists.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:45 pm
SerenaxSarial 0ogii SerenaxSarial The reason why God didn't create evolutionism is found in just the fact that you can ask almost any evolutionist and they'll all tell you that they don't believe in a god. Now why would God make something that leads away from beleiving in Him? Lol and Oogii, God doesn't play with us as if we're here for His entertainment. The forces of darkness mess with us if we let them, but all God wants is for is to believe in Him and have faith. We're His beloved children that He'll take care of, not toys. ^^ Not 'play,' as if with toys. 'Play' as in expiriment. Besides, I'm talking about evolution. He wants to make people, doesn't he? Didn't he? As the evolution takes place, say, he 'plays' with the appearence. Why wouldn't he? If he loves us so much, why not have us adapt? Test out certain things. Play around. Give us thumbs and say, "Well! It's more convenient for them to have thumbs, I'll give them thumbs." And so on. As for him creating something that leads people from not believing in him, I'd have to counter that with this: why would he give people different and unique mindsets, then? Different and unique views? Anyone who has a different view is going to do something different. See, I think of God as a father figure [a GOOD father figure]. One who doesn't care if we hate him, he'll still love us. Even if we don't believe in him, he'll still love us. If we turn away, he'll love us. Yet, he's a parent. Does he give you every single thing you pray for? No. Otherwise, that'd be bad parenting. Does he punish us if we do something immoral? Supposedly. Does he help us in times we need help the most? I've seen it happen. [sarcasim]And if we were his toys, I'm sure he wouldn't break us.[/sarcasim]Adapt? The world started out perfect when God created it. Adam and Eve made a choice to sin, and in doing so the world was no longer perfect and has been slowly dying. As time progresses, this world has only become more corrupt. He doesn't want us to adapt to this world; in fact He even says so in His word, the Bible. He gave people freedom of choice though. God is perfect and infallible, and He is perfectly just. There are different mindsets and beliefs out there because Satan has decieved people into believing in them. Jesus was sent to give us a choice. Either follow Him, or don't. Don't meaning believing in everything and anything that isn't of Him. People can believe that pigs fly, but that doesn't make it so. There are millions of beliefs and views, but only one truth. God does think of us as His children, but only the people that accept Him and what the Bible says. He loves everyone, but everyone isn't automatically under His blessing as His children. And He doesn't punish us as some think. Bad things happen because of Satan and his hate for the world. Satan never had what we have; forgiveness. And he hates us for that. It's your choice about what you'll believe in. But you ahd better be very sure about that choice. Um, ask any strong evolutionist and they will fiercely argue against creationism. They'll even go so far as to contradict themselves and say that maybe we were planted by a higher life force, or maybe creationism is a little right, but they will not accept any creationism that has Jesus Christ at the head. This is about God in the end. It's what it's always been about. btw a good movie to check out that debates this eh...debate lol is Expelled. Ben Stein interviews leading evolutionists and creationists. Always Remember My Name.....
"If such is true, then how come we didn't believe as such from the start of man, the first religions of this world all believed in more then one god. Then that belief came to be, and they went around killing people of other faiths, and then claimed they were the one true and first faith of the world. Even if the belief is true, I can't believe in a religion that forces others to join it.
.....Poyudi Hytori.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:07 pm
Poyudi Hytori SerenaxSarial 0ogii SerenaxSarial The reason why God didn't create evolutionism is found in just the fact that you can ask almost any evolutionist and they'll all tell you that they don't believe in a god. Now why would God make something that leads away from beleiving in Him? Lol and Oogii, God doesn't play with us as if we're here for His entertainment. The forces of darkness mess with us if we let them, but all God wants is for is to believe in Him and have faith. We're His beloved children that He'll take care of, not toys. ^^ Not 'play,' as if with toys. 'Play' as in expiriment. Besides, I'm talking about evolution. He wants to make people, doesn't he? Didn't he? As the evolution takes place, say, he 'plays' with the appearence. Why wouldn't he? If he loves us so much, why not have us adapt? Test out certain things. Play around. Give us thumbs and say, "Well! It's more convenient for them to have thumbs, I'll give them thumbs." And so on. As for him creating something that leads people from not believing in him, I'd have to counter that with this: why would he give people different and unique mindsets, then? Different and unique views? Anyone who has a different view is going to do something different. See, I think of God as a father figure [a GOOD father figure]. One who doesn't care if we hate him, he'll still love us. Even if we don't believe in him, he'll still love us. If we turn away, he'll love us. Yet, he's a parent. Does he give you every single thing you pray for? No. Otherwise, that'd be bad parenting. Does he punish us if we do something immoral? Supposedly. Does he help us in times we need help the most? I've seen it happen. [sarcasim]And if we were his toys, I'm sure he wouldn't break us.[/sarcasim]Adapt? The world started out perfect when God created it. Adam and Eve made a choice to sin, and in doing so the world was no longer perfect and has been slowly dying. As time progresses, this world has only become more corrupt. He doesn't want us to adapt to this world; in fact He even says so in His word, the Bible. He gave people freedom of choice though. God is perfect and infallible, and He is perfectly just. There are different mindsets and beliefs out there because Satan has decieved people into believing in them. Jesus was sent to give us a choice. Either follow Him, or don't. Don't meaning believing in everything and anything that isn't of Him. People can believe that pigs fly, but that doesn't make it so. There are millions of beliefs and views, but only one truth. God does think of us as His children, but only the people that accept Him and what the Bible says. He loves everyone, but everyone isn't automatically under His blessing as His children. And He doesn't punish us as some think. Bad things happen because of Satan and his hate for the world. Satan never had what we have; forgiveness. And he hates us for that. It's your choice about what you'll believe in. But you ahd better be very sure about that choice. Um, ask any strong evolutionist and they will fiercely argue against creationism. They'll even go so far as to contradict themselves and say that maybe we were planted by a higher life force, or maybe creationism is a little right, but they will not accept any creationism that has Jesus Christ at the head. This is about God in the end. It's what it's always been about. btw a good movie to check out that debates this eh...debate lol is Expelled. Ben Stein interviews leading evolutionists and creationists. Always Remember My Name.....
"If such is true, then how come we didn't believe as such from the start of man, the first religions of this world all believed in more then one god. Then that belief came to be, and they went around killing people of other faiths, and then claimed they were the one true and first faith of the world. Even if the belief is true, I can't believe in a religion that forces others to join it.
.....Poyudi Hytori.
Agreed. I'd rather not debate anymore besides, I've made my stand. You're ripping s**t out of the Bible, now, and I'm sick of people doing so. The Bible is a book of stories. Very good stories, with good life lessons, but stories. You can think that history is in there and stick by that idea, but why I'm dropping this now is because the rich and winning team writes history. A very good quote, I've got: "When legend becomes fact, write the legend." We don't know the facts in the Bible, because I'm sure the legend was far more interesting. I'm forced to believe in God, I've made my own God and fought with him [and won, once or twice.] I don't go by the Bible. I never liked going to church. I don't believe the world was ever perfect. I don't believe in Satan, not at all. If there is a Satan, I don't think he'd waste his time with us. We're ******** as it is already, and he's got plenty of dead bodies down there to deal with, y'know? Honestly, I'm done. I'd hoped it wouldn't turn preachy, and it has. I don't go to church for a reason, man. If I've offended you, I'm sorry. But don't go feeling all high and mighty about yourself just because I've gone. I hate when people do that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:34 pm
Hey, I don't mean to get preachy, believe me I know there's a right and a wrong way to come about saying something.
I respect what others believe, and I know I get pushy with what I believe lol. I'm just saying what I know to be true for me. xD
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:08 pm
SerenaxSarial Hey, I don't mean to get preachy, believe me I know there's a right and a wrong way to come about saying something. I respect what others believe, and I know I get pushy with what I believe lol. I'm just saying what I know to be true for me. xD Pushy/preachy, same thing in this kind of case, the way I see it. 'Long as you remember not to get too...pushy with people, y'know? I respect what you know and what you deem true, I really do. :] I just stop the debate as soon as the opposer uses the Bible to back themselves up, that's all.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:45 pm
im more of a scientist so i believe more in evolution but not that we came from apes but single celled organisms. i believe we came from the water that formed during the massive heat of our planet, and then single celled organisms evolved into aquatic life which slowly turned into landforms and eventually we came about. i dont think that we came from apes, i think we evolved along the side of apes, or maybe we branched from a prehistoric ape that became human, gorrillas, and monkeys and such.
i also believe that we had to have come from somewhere, i dont think we would exist today if some form of intelligence didnt bring about this all, of course it could be that since the earth isnt the oldest thing in the universe that all the universal logic we came to accept had always existed. we can say that there has to be a beginning but then there has to be an end, but thats just conjecture, for all we know the universe has always been, but we cant think that macroscopically, we can barely fully intake the mass of the earth (ever tried to imagine the size of earth compared to your size, and not just by "well if the earth was the size of the moon, we'd be a pebble" or whatever, i mean by standing where you are and trying to envision the other side of the world, its just to big for us to comprehend).
so who's to say if we came from evolution and or god made us, fact is its all opinion based and because of our human mentallity we believe that we have to be right when we in fact there are more intelligent beings here on earth. + if the universe is as big as we expect it to be, then you cant rule out the possiblity of another planet being placed just the right distance from a star to support life (we have found planets that may support life)
well i found a couple of pennies and so there are my two cents ^_^
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:44 am
I am alos somewhat of a scientist. ;3 honestly, i think evolution is the reason we are the way we are now. besides, other life forms seem to evolve, as it is necessary for survival. ;3 nature always tries to survive.
Anyways, i believe that we evolved from single celled organisms. ;3 like dogboi, i dont believe that we evolved from monkeys. ;3 (perhaps its because i dont really like monkeys...so i refuse to accept it)
anyways...i'd get more into details and such...but i dont feel like it at the moment. >.> sorry. xD
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