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 Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:00 pm
Before I begin I should explain the title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere A telomere is a region of repetitive DNA at the end of chromosomes, which protects the end of the chromosome from destruction. Derived from the Greek telos (end) and meres (part). During cell division, the enzymes that duplicate the chromosome and its DNA can't continue their duplication all the way to the end of the chromosome. If cells divided without telomeres, they would lose the end of their chromosomes, and the necessary information it contains. (In 1972, James Watson named this phenomenon the "end replication problem.") The telomere is a disposable buffer, which is consumed during cell division and is replenished by an enzyme. This mechanism usually limits cells to a fixed number of divisions, and animal studies suggest that this is responsible for aging on the cellular level and affects lifespan. Telomeres protect a cell's chromosomes from fusing with each other or rearranging. These chromosome abnormalities can lead to cancer, so cells are normally destroyed when telomeres are consumed. Most cancer is the result of cells bypassing this destruction. Biologists speculate that this mechanism is a tradeoff between aging and cancer.
As for TCE; TCE is "Time Condensed Energy", also known as "Scalar energy". Now this form of energy isn't a proven fact, it's referred too as a hypothetical energy, although there have been "some" breakthroughs in measuring it via electronic devices. Time condensed energy is what takes up the space between every atom in existence. Through this we can see why all living organic matter deteriorates and dies of old age.
TCE(Scalar Energy) can be looked at closer and more in-depth at these sites:
http://www.rense.com/general39/scalarenergy.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience)
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Now we've learned what might possibly cause us to die, and we've also learned that what promotes the aging process, now we should look at Time itself.
Time is immutable, at least thats how I feel. You cannot change time itself, however...just because you don't have the ability to put out a burning building does not mean you cannot remove yourself from said burning building. If you didn't understand the comparison there...Just because you cannot change time does not mean you cannot stop it from effecting you.
If scalar energy is real, then there might just be a way to manipulate it, shield against it from flowing through you or remove all Scalars from your body completely. If this could be done, time would have zero effect on you and thus you would not age.
Ideas? Theories on how to do this? Comments?
Discuss.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:37 pm
Damn you. I got started on scalar energy then wikijumped to zero point energy, Casimir effect, Van der Walls effect... I'm off the wagon.
Anyway, it's a general rule because I don't yet completely understand the concept of scalar energy but I think base manipulation of physics wouldn't be as easy or effective as say, messing with the telomeres.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:24 pm
Joshua_Ritter Damn you. I got started on scalar energy then wikijumped to zero point energy, Casimir effect, Van der Walls effect... I'm off the wagon.
Anyway, it's a general rule because I don't yet completely understand the concept of scalar energy but I think base manipulation of physics wouldn't be as easy or effective as say, messing with the telomeres. Ah but thats the thing, you don't mess with the telomeres at all, they're only explained as the reason our cells don't infinitely reproduce. The only thing you would be stopping in the scalar energy's effect, think of it as a badass firewall that would stand in-between your body and time.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:30 pm
I have a question. If this scalar energy makes up the space between every atom in existence and you find some way to separate yourself from this scalar energy in an attempt to keep time from touching you, then does that mean there would be no buffer between atoms?
If that's the case then I think you've opened a different can of worms in the vein of "What happens when atoms are allowed to just bump against one another unrestricted?"
Personally, I think the discovery of telomerase would be easier to use if you're trying to prevent aging. It makes it so that the cells can divide like normal but the telomeres don't wear down.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:41 pm
Obscurus I have a question. If this scalar energy makes up the space between every atom in existence and you find some way to separate yourself from this scalar energy in an attempt to keep time from touching you, then does that mean there would be no buffer between atoms? If that's the case then I think you've opened a different can of worms in the vein of "What happens when atoms are allowed to just bump against one another unrestricted?" Personally, I think the discovery of telomerase would be easier to use if you're trying to prevent aging. It makes it so that the cells can divide like normal but the telomeres don't wear down. I'm not a chemist but, I believe that if you did remove the "buffer" between the atoms there could be some...un-welcomed side effects such as: 1.) Miniature atomic explosion 2.) Spontaneous combustion 3.) Atomic Acceleration that would turn the body into energy by quickly raising the vibrational levels and speed to that of light. So I guess the person would doing this would need to create a new buffer instead.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:44 pm
[BlkCat] Obscurus I have a question. If this scalar energy makes up the space between every atom in existence and you find some way to separate yourself from this scalar energy in an attempt to keep time from touching you, then does that mean there would be no buffer between atoms? If that's the case then I think you've opened a different can of worms in the vein of "What happens when atoms are allowed to just bump against one another unrestricted?" Personally, I think the discovery of telomerase would be easier to use if you're trying to prevent aging. It makes it so that the cells can divide like normal but the telomeres don't wear down. I'm not a chemist but, I believe that if you did remove the "buffer" between the atoms there could be some...un-welcomed side effects such as: 1.) Miniature atomic explosion 2.) Spontaneous combustion 3.) Atomic Acceleration that would turn the body into energy by quickly raising the vibrational levels and speed to that of light. So I guess the person would doing this would need to create a new buffer instead. My idea is that without a buffer the atoms rubbing together would create a lot more friction than usual and would cause one to spontaneously combust as you said.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:00 am
Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging?
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:40 am
Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:21 pm
[BlkCat] Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth. Yeah, but why the hell would you want eternal youth? I don't think I could stand being immortal. You'd be bored as hell. And you'd have to watch everyone around you die.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:42 pm
DrasBrisingr [BlkCat] Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth. Yeah, but why the hell would you want eternal youth? I don't think I could stand being immortal. You'd be bored as hell. And you'd have to watch everyone around you die. Well... there are some plus sides to eternal youth like, getting to do whatever you want, catching up with stuff you forgot to do and such and reading lots of books. But, the negatives would be, as you stated watching friends die, and you would have to move to a new location every so often to avoid being found out. It would be quite interesting to manipulate these Cells/DNA. Unfortunately I highly doubt no one would volunteer for this scientific research because of the high dangers sweatdrop .
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:35 pm
Water_Shaman DrasBrisingr [BlkCat] Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth. Yeah, but why the hell would you want eternal youth? I don't think I could stand being immortal. You'd be bored as hell. And you'd have to watch everyone around you die. Well... there are some plus sides to eternal youth like, getting to do whatever you want, catching up with stuff you forgot to do and such and reading lots of books. But, the negatives would be, as you stated watching friends die, and you would have to move to a new location every so often to avoid being found out. It would be quite interesting to manipulate these Cells/DNA. Unfortunately I highly doubt no one would volunteer for this scientific research because of the high dangers sweatdrop . Yeah, but, I mean...I'd get ******** bored. You know, there are a limited amount of books. You could learn every language and read every book in every language, and you'd still run out. Eventually, you'd spend all of your days plotting the best way to kill yourself. Or everyone else... ...I revise my initial statement. Sign me up for eternal youth.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:43 pm
I believe that if we could stop the aging process by something like the method described, that wouldn't make us immune to something like a knife to the jugular, though if we get into more specifics or "what ifs" my response would be different. I think I'd be up for the immortal youth thing, I'd rather be twenty something until I die then not. On that note, apparently some guy hypnotised himself into believing he wasn't going to age any more, and his blood age apparently hasn't changes in however many years since he did that. I'll post anything I find.
Personally, I would probably become more lazy, but I'd love to not have that slight panic about having to read books at an "accelerated" pace. I've always been curious as to exactly what happens with the human race. I'd rather be a time traveller like the non-immortal character from "Jitterbug Perfume" since I'm a little impatient (mortality...heh). If someone were to become pure energy from their "unbound atoms" reaching extraordinary speeds and such, we could pass it off as "ascension" and reduce the population of the planet to skeptics and non-believers...more or less.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:54 pm
DrasBrisingr Water_Shaman DrasBrisingr [BlkCat] Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth. Yeah, but why the hell would you want eternal youth? I don't think I could stand being immortal. You'd be bored as hell. And you'd have to watch everyone around you die. Well... there are some plus sides to eternal youth like, getting to do whatever you want, catching up with stuff you forgot to do and such and reading lots of books. But, the negatives would be, as you stated watching friends die, and you would have to move to a new location every so often to avoid being found out. It would be quite interesting to manipulate these Cells/DNA. Unfortunately I highly doubt no one would volunteer for this scientific research because of the high dangers sweatdrop . Yeah, but, I mean...I'd get ******** bored. You know, there are a limited amount of books. You could learn every language and read every book in every language, and you'd still run out. Eventually, you'd spend all of your days plotting the best way to kill yourself. Or everyone else... ...I revise my initial statement. Sign me up for eternal youth. Quoting both of you to comment on both of you =P. 1. I never said ANYTHING about immortality. Immortality and Eternal youth are two ENTIRELY different things. If you're immortal, you CANNNOT die, at all, ever. Eternal Youth simply means you wont age, doesn't mean you can't be killed, cant get sick and die, cant put a gun to your head and pull the trigger and die...Personally I do not believe any being at all (humans, spirits, gods, ect) are immortal. 2. There are plenty of things to do if you could live for several hundred years. 3. Why wouldn't you want to be found out? Imagine not aging for 50 years, imagine the influence you could have, imagine being able to prove that magick exists and can co-exist with science. Imagine then using this influence to teach people to open their minds, and then you can teach them countless other things; Energy Manipulation, healing, how to care for and protect each other.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:52 am
[BlkCat] DrasBrisingr Water_Shaman DrasBrisingr [BlkCat] Starlock Why in the blazes would you want to stop aging? To not die of old age, eternal youth. Yeah, but why the hell would you want eternal youth? I don't think I could stand being immortal. You'd be bored as hell. And you'd have to watch everyone around you die. Well... there are some plus sides to eternal youth like, getting to do whatever you want, catching up with stuff you forgot to do and such and reading lots of books. But, the negatives would be, as you stated watching friends die, and you would have to move to a new location every so often to avoid being found out. It would be quite interesting to manipulate these Cells/DNA. Unfortunately I highly doubt no one would volunteer for this scientific research because of the high dangers sweatdrop . Yeah, but, I mean...I'd get ******** bored. You know, there are a limited amount of books. You could learn every language and read every book in every language, and you'd still run out. Eventually, you'd spend all of your days plotting the best way to kill yourself. Or everyone else... ...I revise my initial statement. Sign me up for eternal youth. Quoting both of you to comment on both of you =P. 1. I never said ANYTHING about immortality. Immortality and Eternal youth are two ENTIRELY different things. If you're immortal, you CANNNOT die, at all, ever. Eternal Youth simply means you wont age, doesn't mean you can't be killed, cant get sick and die, cant put a gun to your head and pull the trigger and die...Personally I do not believe any being at all (humans, spirits, gods, ect) are immortal. 2. There are plenty of things to do if you could live for several hundred years. 3. Why wouldn't you want to be found out? Imagine not aging for 50 years, imagine the influence you could have, imagine being able to prove that magick exists and can co-exist with science. Imagine then using this influence to teach people to open their minds, and then you can teach them countless other things; Energy Manipulation, healing, how to care for and protect each other. 1. I know. I thought about that after I posted. That's what my second post was for. That and, well, to feed my sadistic tendencies. 2. You don't get bored now? I mean, you know you're alive for an infinite amount of time, and you still get bored. Think about knowing you'll live for several hundred years. I'd be bored as hell. And probably a recluse. 3. Two things: People don't want to believe that someone could have eternal youth. You'd probably either be assassinated by the marketers of Botox or some anti-aging cream, or locked away in an asylum.
You could be like Methuselah and have books written about you and be in the Bible and s**t. Except, you know, you wouldn't be as...old-looking. And creepy. I can imagine Methuselah to be like that old guy who lives down the street and stares at the little boys when they go out to play. Definitely. [On the other hand, I can completely see Blkie being that old guy. With or without eternal youth.]
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:19 am
DrasBrisingr 1. I know. I thought about that after I posted. That's what my second post was for. That and, well, to feed my sadistic tendencies. 2. You don't get bored now? I mean, you know you're alive for an infinite amount of time, and you still get bored. Think about knowing you'll live for several hundred years. I'd be bored as hell. And probably a recluse. 3. Two things: People don't want to believe that someone could have eternal youth. You'd probably either be assassinated by the marketers of Botox or some anti-aging cream, or locked away in an asylum.
You could be like Methuselah and have books written about you and be in the Bible and s**t. Except, you know, you wouldn't be as...old-looking. And creepy. I can imagine Methuselah to be like that old guy who lives down the street and stares at the little boys when they go out to play. Definitely. [On the other hand, I can completely see Blkie being that old guy. With or without eternal youth.] Well as for being bored, just knowing you will live longer would give you more of a chance to do more things, you wouldn't feel like you had to get your first 50 years perfect in order for your life to work out =P. But yes, you'd still get bored, but there are always things to do. And as for the old man thing >.>.....If anything I'd be looking at 16 year old girls, not little boys. I may be a ***** lion but I'm a straight ***** lion ;_;...(lmfao though)
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