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 Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:58 am
I've always wondered what would have happend if Sarah had accepted Jareth's offer. In her position, I might have after I had rescued the baby. Does anyone agree with this? Disagree?
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:42 pm
I've also thought about this a great deal. What sticks out in my mind is that all of the things he was offering her were in exchange for the baby, not as well as Toby. So if she had decided to stay both of them would have been forced to stay. I then wonder what would have happened to her stepmother and father, would they have remembered their children and had to live their lives wondering what had happened to them, or would they have forgotton them? Then my head starts to hurt with all the possible outcomes.
Would Jareth have honoured the offer "Fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave"? Let us all face it, he is a tricky one and I'm sure he would have a get out clause in there somewhere.......... Who am I kidding? Sometimes I just sit and yell at the tv telling her to forget the damn baby and jump the Goblin King!!
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artemisdesari Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:32 pm
Artemis, if you were Sarah and I was the baby, I would hate you for the rest of my life for having abadoned me. whee
Considering that she's a teenager and presented with this offer to explore herself, I'm sure that's tempting in itself. I'm sure being obsessed with a book made her freaky enough as it is.
I don't know, really. I could think of all the things I would do, but personally, I would have just accepted his offer. Once the offer was taken though, I'd berate myself for not getting my little brother back home.
I have no real answer to provide when it comes to the parents.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:27 pm
Something I have always wondered is whether Sarah challenged the Labyrinth in the beginning of the movie because she really did have a change of heart and suddenly wanted her baby brother back, or did she simply want to fulfill her fantasy to be a heroine in a fairy tale?
My thoughts is that the latter must be the case, being that when the troupe entered the throne room, Sarah proclaimed that she had to face Jareth alone on the basis of, "...that's the way it's done." If I truly wanted to save my younger sibling, I'd want to have as much help as I could get all the way to the end (but then again, I'm a klutz at times who messes up the most basic of tasks while under pressure).
No matter the answer, Sarah would have fought for her baby brother nonetheless.
Something else I have wondered is why did Jareth change up his offer from the beginning of the film to the end? At first he offered for her to forget the baby and continue her life with her toys and costumes. In the ending, he offered her much more than that (but at a greater price). Was it a desperate measure to keep Toby? Or did he really want to fulfil her fantasies for a life in the Underground? Or did the line about the Goblin King falling in love with the girl finally hit him, and he had to act upon it in order to try and keep her?
Now, to answer the question initially presented, I think that things would have been rough for a time if Sarah had accepted the offer, but they eventually would settle down and have lots of babies together.
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artemisdesari Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 am
Chexednut Artemis, if you were Sarah and I was the baby, I would hate you for the rest of my life for having abadoned me. whee
On the point that Javinus made:
There is an ettiquette to all of this, and whether she went to rescue Toby because she wanted to be the heroine or not, she was probably conscious enough of it to want to do it right. (Which shows that I've read too many books in my time and need to get out more) redface
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:33 am
artemisdesari There is an ettiquette to all of this, and whether she went to rescue Toby because she wanted to be the heroine or not, she was probably conscious enough of it to want to do it right. (Which shows that I've read too many books in my time and need to get out more) redface Read Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. That whole 'etiquette' thing is completely thrown out the window, and it makes me giggle.
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artemisdesari Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:34 am
Javinus artemisdesari There is an ettiquette to all of this, and whether she went to rescue Toby because she wanted to be the heroine or not, she was probably conscious enough of it to want to do it right. (Which shows that I've read too many books in my time and need to get out more) redface Read Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. That whole 'etiquette' thing is completely thrown out the window, and it makes me giggle.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:28 pm
I always kind of wanted her to end up with Jareth and be the Goblin Queen....
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:53 am
Hmm... Being that I have no desire for children, I probably would have booted that little sucker off one of those up-turned stairways and then molested Jareth.
By the same token, she could have stayed with him and still been able to keep an eye on Toby, Jareth was going to turn him into a goblin.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:53 pm
Interesting answers all of you. As for the deal with Sarah's desires in exchange for Toby... I'd kind of forgotten about that... sweatdrop heh, it HAS been a long time since I've seen the movie... like nearly 10 yrs... maybe longer.... At any rate, considering the exchange, depending on who the kid was, I might have stayed. I mean, if it were a kid I was baby sitting (and nearly every baby sitter gets one of these at SOME point in time) then why the heck not? I mean, one of my last set of kids was a real goblin of a girl... literally changing into a goblin might have actually been an improvement........
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:32 am
TrueShadowStalker Interesting answers all of you. As for the deal with Sarah's desires in exchange for Toby... I'd kind of forgotten about that... sweatdrop heh, it HAS been a long time since I've seen the movie... like nearly 10 yrs... maybe longer.... At any rate, considering the exchange, depending on who the kid was, I might have stayed. I mean, if it were a kid I was baby sitting (and nearly every baby sitter gets one of these at SOME point in time) then why the heck not? I mean, one of my last set of kids was a real goblin of a girl... literally changing into a goblin might have actually been an improvement........ Heh, I had some middle school students just like that. I think back and wonder if I really should have wished them away to the goblins for their own good (but then, that means I never learned the moral to the whole Labyrinth story, doesn't it?)
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:04 am
TrueShadowStalker Interesting answers all of you. As for the deal with Sarah's desires in exchange for Toby... I'd kind of forgotten about that... sweatdrop heh, it HAS been a long time since I've seen the movie... like nearly 10 yrs... maybe longer.... At any rate, considering the exchange, depending on who the kid was, I might have stayed. I mean, if it were a kid I was baby sitting (and nearly every baby sitter gets one of these at SOME point in time) then why the heck not? I mean, one of my last set of kids was a real goblin of a girl... literally changing into a goblin might have actually been an improvement........
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artemisdesari Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:39 pm
I think I'm lucky... the only person I babysat really was my cousin. The only problem I had was getting her to do her homework. Got her to do it, but it was like pulling teeth!
And as for the reason for this thread....
If she had excepted... I think he would have been different. I mean, he wouldn't be mean, per say, but he would be very much... in charge. He wanted to rule her after all... with all that talk of him becoming her slave. I think that was just to get her to agree to his terms.
But who really knows?
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:55 pm
Sarah was a 15 year old girl, not looking at the occurances from an outside view. All she wanted was to get her brother back, and as far as she was concerned Jareth was the villain, because thats how fairytales go right? There is always the hero and the villain, and they don't mesh. when we look at it from an outside view we see that jareth really does care for Sarah, and desperately wants her to be his. He didn't go about it the right way-- he was commanding and harsh, which is not what any 15 year old girl wants, especially one who is obsessed with fairytales and when she expects a fairytale prince to sweep her off her feet, that it will be all lovey dovey, not dark and mysterious.
Why do you think there is all that fanfiction of an older sarah finally understanding the meaning of his offer and the looks of pain in his eyes when he would smirk, and his jealousy?
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:59 pm
retrocrebbon Hmm... Being that I have no desire for children, I probably would have booted that little sucker off one of those up-turned stairways and then molested Jareth. By the same token, she could have stayed with him and still been able to keep an eye on Toby, Jareth was going to turn him into a goblin. no he wasn't, that was said in Sarah's version of the story. Jareth renamed Toby Jareth, so he probably wouldn't have turned him into a goblin. Plus, Jareth never said he would turn him into one, just that "your baby brother will be one of us forever." NEVER SPECIFIED! blaugh
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