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Alright, here's the main topic. After looking at the 4 elements scientifically, I think that the system is flawed. Fire, water, earth, and wind is what most sites will tell you. However, there's more to it then that. Light, motion, weight, density, etc. There are various aspects and features to psi, ki, and the such. So many, a system of 4 different things don't do it justice.

Sadly, we can't just jump into all this crap and get an answer. You see, while we can construct a system that fits a logical schema, the real problem is testing it. How can one go about testing something such as this? I'd say, before we can even really figure how to classify psi on a scale such as this, we need to question it on an even larger scale.

OBJECTIVES OF PART ONE
-Create some laws of Psi. Physic's base is can be found in Newtons laws. We could come a large step closer if we are able to narrow down what Psi can and can't be or how it reacts to certain things.

-Find a way to test any type of psi. I'm aware that most methods haven't really stood up to the test for proving anything. However, there are some methods out there with some good ideas. If we can find one that gives us results, we can use it for the time being to establish some basic data.

-Be skeptical of EVERYTHING. If something is going to make it as data for observation, it must not have any issues that we cannot clear up. We cannot risk basing an entire research project off of false information. There will be a lot of radical thoughts presented and every single one will be given a chance, or else.


Now before anyone even has a chance to say it, I'm well aware people have tried to do this before and have failed. I'm well aware we probobly don't have the equipment to test this completely. But if we can even as much as prove one minuscule thing, or come up with a new theory not yet thought of, we can consider this project a success. As you noticed, there is nothing about elements just yet. That will come later, as we need a foundation right now. The collecting data phase. I'll try my best to stick to the scientific method as I expect everyone to do so as well.

My element is Science.

I second Obscurus, although I'd like to see your method, Pyrokin. It'll be interesting, no doubt.

The tragic flaw in your methods is that nothing can be proven. I mean, different people believe in different things. You cannot prove to me right now that energy can be manipulated in the form of a psi ball. Even if you use your own experiments, they cannot be replicated. If you and a friend play ping pong with a psi ball, that doesn't mean I can go grab a random person off the street and do the same. The entire basis of a scientific law is that the experiment(s) supporting it can be replicated. If not, the "law" is nothing more than a shitty hypothesis stuck in a sort of limbo.

People don't seem to like my ideas very well. Regardless, I still want to find something. Honestly, I've been very lacking in ideas recently. Looking through various books and I found at my new library. After reading various things, weeding out the books that smelled of fluff, I found...

Nothing...

Having some interest kinetics and psi, I traveled to our sub-forum about such topic. Most threads have something about an element. Aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, there was a lot of stuff about elements. Browsing the web for information, I could find any real explanations. It was late and I was bored, nothing to look up after coming to another dead end. Then I considered that I wasn't the only one puzzled. Scientifically speaking, fire, water, ice, wind, and earth are very different things with no connection. I guess I kinda jumped the gun. ^_^;

I think I may stop with the research and looking for something big. My mind has been a mess recently, due to the fact I'm a very neurotic person and I managed to ask a girl out. Still no answer. rofl I think for now, I'll just practice various aspect of psi and have fun with it. Anybody who can teach me this whole element system is very high on the awesome scale by the way. AS for this thread, might as well just close it down.

I think this is a fun idea. Just keep in mind that most of us can only "prove" these things to ourselves through personal experience as things are right now, for the most part.

My basic theory on the nature of energy: Energy/Psi as I See It

Rules:

arrow Energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed. This is just taken from physics.

arrow Everything in its basic form is just energy, therefore everything is made up of some kind of energy. Mass is considered a form of energy here.

arrow All people, consciously or not, can feel energy and are affected by it. Since everything's made up of energy I think this doesn't need much explanation.

arrow Energy can either be apparent (physical/manifest) or not ("invisible"), or a combination of both. It is therefore possible to make invisible energy manifest in a physical way somehow.

Here are some energy/psi exercises you can try with friends to test energy theories...they're pretty basic so I think everyone here already knows them but here you go anyway: Energy Exercises

From reading your responses after my first post, Pyrokin, it seems to me like you may be chasing some kind of metaphysical version of a Grand Unification Theory. You really don't need to overwork your brain with such a thing. There is a fifth creative element in the system that the Four all stem from. Some call it Void, others Spirit, others Quintessence. It is the pure God-force that physical creation stems from. You could say that it is Energy in its purest form.

When someone refers to pyrokinesis or cryokinesis, it is my understanding that first and foremost you are working with Psi: energy directed by consciousness. Secondly you are adding a certain "flavor" to that energy by means of conscious intent in order to classify it as pyro/cryo/geo/whatever kinesis.

The bottom line would be that you're always working with energy, but you tweak that energy to a specific use in order to use it for a specific purpose. Just as in physics; if you keep going smaller and smaller you're eventually going to find that everything is made of the same stuff (be they atoms, sub-atomic particles, or superstrings depending on your school of thought).

I just hope this post helps you get closer to whatever you're looking for.

for the lol's of it, what is human classified under within the four elements?