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 Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:20 pm
That's what he said in an interview. He wants to incorage kids to kill God. He doesn't get spirituality and all of that.
The book, "The Golden Compass" is the least contraversal of his books. The rest are out right anti-God.
They people that made the movie had taken a lot of the stuff out, however in the day and age where kids are starting to read what they watch. They are more likely to get bashed with this Son of Perdition's antics. *I'm calling him that because that's what he sounds like.*
Just wanted to warn you all. And my advise for you is to not watch it. The idea makes be feel way to uncomfortable.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:51 pm
It's things like that that make me want to upchuck.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:25 pm
Oh, I can't stand the guy.
I've got all the books as it was a Christmas present (oh, the irony), but I'd never buy them. The first one, you only get this nagging feeling that it's anti-Christian, then the second and third make that feeling abundantly clear and it starts poking you in the stomach.
Reading them, I get this 'backwards thinking' sort of thought, like how it's saying that you should run away from the Church, it's evil, and whatnot. (Kinda like that movie "The Truman Show" that I watched in History class years ago.)
The third book, basically, the two kids achieve their goal and kill 'God'. (obviously it's not the real-life God, but some less-than who is written up as a high angel)
The movie is obviously toning down the anti-religious themes, but it's still there...the books were written in hate of Narnia and they are really not children's books.. I have a high vocabulary and comprehension level, yet some of the different themes and some other things were complicated to me.
Sorry for the rant but I just have this strange urge to bash right now.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:49 pm
There are those it seems that think he's just an atheist. I don't think he is. I think he's just using that as a cover for what he really is.
The reason why I think he's not an atheist is because he is in ways admitting that there is a high being. For this reason I believe he may be a Son of Perdition. A trait they have is that they tend to get convincing with their statements. Even those who have a firm belief have to struggle with what they have to say. Did you get that feeling when you read it?
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:38 pm
I just watched the trailer then, it... really didn't seep apparant at all.
As for the books, I did read them but it was such a long time ago I don't think I even notcied (being fairly young I probably didn't even get half the stuff going on blaugh )
I spose I might get them out again, see if I can find what you mean...
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:44 pm
Good luck with that Freaj. I've been reading on a very advanced vocab and comprehension level since pre-K. I'm on above-college level now, but age 5 was at a second and third grade level. (Not bragging, mind you, just want you to know my POV.) And I struggled a bit through the last two books in the series simply because of the themes in them. (That was when I was about 13, now I'm nearly 16)
I realized later why: because my mind wasn't clicking with what the books were saying. My worldview filter (as my Science teacher calls it) wasn't agreeing with the content I saw. The first book is the most innocent-seeming, then it gets darker and more aggressive against Christianity (or religion in general, if you prefer) as they go on.
So good luck to you and anyone else who cares to tackle the books.
The movie, however.. it's toned down the elements so much that it looks incredibly like a normal kids movie.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:25 pm
If these books are so horrible, why are they Scholastic books?
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:25 am
Eirwyn If these books are so horrible, why are they Scholastic books?
Same reason Parker Bros. makes Ouija boards. (Okay, perhaps not the same reason, but I don't think I'm too off the mark)
Controversy sells.
Look at The DaVinci Code. It sold quite a few books, and look what happened when the movie came out. ><; Controversy everywhere. (Now there's a second movie scheduled - the first one must have sold well. /sarcasm)
(And by the way, the first DaVinci Code book is ten times more gruesome than the second. [The first book is Angels & Demons.] I wouldn't be surprised if the movie version was rated 'R'.)
I don't want to get into a huge argument, I just want to state what I see. I know that there are some horrible books out there - anyone can agree that not all books published are good ones - and some well-known publisher is printing them. Only they haven't become 'popular', so they don't attract attention.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:49 am
I'm not trying to argue. With the "Harry Potter is about witchcraft so it's obviously satan worship" thing, that was all over the place. This is the first whiff I've gotten from anyone or anywhere that there might be something wrong with the Golden Compass series, so it doesn't seem to be too big a controversy. If you feel really strongly about it, perhaps you should do an essay about the subject (an educated one, as someone who has read the series & can cite examples demonstrating your point both in the books, & outside them, as in that interview with the author) and present it to the public. Get local newspapers or magazines to publish it, or put it online. Just keep it fact-based.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:42 pm
Eirwyn I'm not trying to argue. With the "Harry Potter is about witchcraft so it's obviously satan worship" thing, that was all over the place. This is the first whiff I've gotten from anyone or anywhere that there might be something wrong with the Golden Compass series, so it doesn't seem to be too big a controversy. If you feel really strongly about it, perhaps you should do an essay about the subject (an educated one, as someone who has read the series & can cite examples demonstrating your point both in the books, & outside them, as in that interview with the author) and present it to the public. Get local newspapers or magazines to publish it, or put it online. Just keep it fact-based. That sounds like a good idea. I can't do this because I never read them. In places like this, all there would be is rant, rant, rant. And nothing gets proven because everyone is stuck in they're own ideas. ( I know that sounds negative. But open mindedness tend to fly out the window.) I'm doing what I can to keep the other topic thing from turning into a bash on religion. Seen plenty of that in Gaia's Chatter Box.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:07 pm
The thing I hate is when people bash something before they've read it themselves, like all that fuss about Harry Potter--most of the people calling it evil just heard someone else say this. I appreciate Ceribri's input especially right now, because she says she has read the whole series.
I have the 1st book & will probably read it during my holiday.
Something I thought about last night--why does no one ever yell about Japanese RPGs that kill God? So many of them have humans established as not needing gods anymore, gods stepping down voluntarily because they see Humans as being more powerful than they are (able to destroy the Boss Evil Monster when the god can't), or giving up their godhood to be human. Gods that want to stay gods are generally shown to be evil and must be destroyed. So why not come down on them as well?
(Examples coming to mind: Final Fantasy Legend II for GB, and especially Lunar Silver Star Story & Lunar Eternal Blue.)
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:43 pm
I don't see how "killing God" should be seen as killing God. I wrote a small, one-act play years ago about God coming down to Earth and preaching peace. Towards the end of it, God is accidentally stabbed to death by a preacher. It wasn't written that way because I hated God or something, but I had just left a church and felt like I was leaving all churches of all types, so I wanted to distance myself from them - the play was sort of a coping mechanism.
Just because the God character dies in some way, that doesn't mean that it's a total war against any sort of God - maybe religious institutions, but not the concept itself. If a friend dies in a dream, does the dreamer want that friend to die? No. Plus, being against a religious institution doesn't necessarily mean being against the highest ideals of the followers of that institution, like peace and caring for each other. Harry's heroism, perseverance, and humanity make the Harry Potter books wonderful, even if some miss the whole point of it by focusing on the witchcraft and forcing controversy onto the books where there should be none.
[I wrote this after getting worn out reading this thread in another guild. Sorry if it's weird or off course.]
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:52 pm
(I just finished writing a few huge and thorough (IMO) post.. well.. three of them.. in another guild on the same topic so I'm pretty worn out too. Go over there and read it if you like. xp ThreadIt should work even if you're not a member of the guild. And it's a Doctor Who guild, so I don't think anyone would object to joining. wink I've got a headache now.. I'm going to bed soon.. and I want to say thank you Eirwyn for that excellent idea. I've got the rest of the week off from school so I may try and do just that with some help from somewhere. Also, I forgot to mention I'm not trying to argue either, although it might seem that way from another perspective.. I don't know everything in the subject and I don't (and refuse to) claim that. As for controversy over the "His Dark Materials" series (starting with TGC) I've seen it quite a lot because of my background.. my school has people talking about it (sadly very few because the majority don't like reading)..I think it's been in the news but that's usually either hyped up because of the Catholic organizations banning it, or pushed to the side. The author has even said (in one of those articles, probably) that his books just flew under the radar thanks to Harry Potter issues getting all the attention.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:56 pm
Eirwyn Something I thought about last night--why does no one ever yell about Japanese RPGs that kill God? So many of them have humans established as not needing gods anymore, gods stepping down voluntarily because they see Humans as being more powerful than they are (able to destroy the Boss Evil Monster when the god can't), or giving up their godhood to be human. Gods that want to stay gods are generally shown to be evil and must be destroyed. So why not come down on them as well? (Examples coming to mind: Final Fantasy Legend II for GB, and especially Lunar Silver Star Story & Lunar Eternal Blue.) Never considered those Gods or Goddesses to be in the same context.
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