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 Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:36 am
Why is it that when people are nice, people react with suspicion. If something is easy or nice or good people are suspicious because its too good to be true.
Its to easy their must be a catch
People aren't like that in the real world...
Why is it that people who are jerks are looked up to because they are "keeping it real" or have bluff and bravado. People admire the kuru's of the world. Kuru was an a** hole he prided imself on being an a** hole. People admired him. People followed him though he was using them. He admitted to using them.
People admire Shavis and ask him questions though he could really care less for their questions. He's admits that he's antisocial. People look up to him though. People even love him though he isn't openly friendly and nice.
Is their an air to those who are hostile manipulative antisocial that draws people to them. If people are egotistic, confident, the knowledgeable who don't give away knowledge... does this draw people to them more?
I've met people who didn't know very much about magic, weren't the nicest people in the world, but people were drawn to them like a bug to a flame.
People go out and buy services others offer for free. I know a girl, psyche knows her too. She decided to pay 68 dollars a week for a teacher(something liek that) who is only providing her with information she could get for free off the web. The teacher is no more skilled then me or psyche. Psyche even saw his enchantment and wasn't very impressed.
I offered free enchantments, not very many people wanted one. Yet when the issue of buy an enchantment from me comes up, for some reason their are more takers. People pay actual money for sub par enchantments. I know I can do a better job. I've analyzed the energy. I know the gimicks and I have none... yet shops on E Bay will have plenty of gimimcks and they will have plenty of people buying from them.
I offer free teaching, not very many people sought after my services. The students I had, weren't very commited to me. Yet this girl has a teacher, who I truly think I might know more then, and she follows him emphatically without question. She pours all her time and money into it. She has practically abandoned friends over it. She has abandoned her ties so she can be taought by someone who seems like a sub par practitioner.
I've met people... who were teaching lies. I could figure out the BS they were spewing. I usually let people believe what they want. I don't say anything but its not as if I am not aware of what they're saying is wrong. People believe them, people follow them. People are brought into cults and delusions... religious affiliations. I've never told a person what to believe or how to believe it, I've taught people in a very practical hands on manner.
Yet somehow this indoctrinization breeds more respect.
Being over bearing, matter of fact, lack of leniency, lack of many things..
Somehow this brings respect, admiration, love, adoration...
It always seems to me to be the adoration of bullshit and bullshitters.
The adoration of as holes and conceit...
The adoration of hostility... people being drawn to flames that are meant to get them away.
The more you push the more some people follow. The more you lie the more some people love it. The more you charge the more worth people put on the object. Expence equals quality, hard work equals pay off.
Masochism = Everything must be worth it
People who believe their must be conflict
People who believe that their Must be adversity
Their must be cost
Mis placed values... my old way of being must have been wrong.... I need a new way of being. This person seems to be better at soemthing then me their way of being must be better, their beliefs must be better, lets follow that
Perhaps its all logical fallacies... perhaps people just don't think...
I just don't get it...
what are your views?
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:31 pm
I think a big part of it is western culture, ESPECIALLY in America. America is known for its individualism and its capitalism. Since the vast majority of people here put themselves above the collective whole or other individuals, anyone who doesn't do that is looked at suspiciously.
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:51 pm
Because if it's too easy there probably is a catch. I'd follow someone who's nice, someone who's mean. Depends on what they know. Sorry, Sin, you just don't know enough for me to devote part of myself to. Nor Kuru, nor Shavis. It's just how it is. People are attracted to assholes because assholes don't care. They know what they know. People like that. But it doesn't matter any. There will always be moths, and always the flame. You can't stop them, if you even wanted. You can't save everyone, or even most people from themselves. So ignore them. If they choose to ruin themselves, what should you do about it?
Also see Saw 4. (and 1 - 3) Jigsaw knows a thing or two about human nature, it's just he's got the sadistic torture thing too.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:43 pm
I think the problem boils down to a few things:
First, when you offer something, as hard as it is, never expect anything in return, even gratitude. An offer is an offer; a gift is a gift. Let it go, even if it hurts. If a person keeps taking from you, just stop giving them freebies and allow them to figure it out on their own.
Secondly...the sad thing is, assholes tend to be more charismatic and dogmatic than good people. They always know the "right" thing to say or do, and frankly, people like that kind of control because it relieves them from being responsible for their own choices. Ironically, the mark of a truly good person is someone who DOES question what they think and do, and what their morals are.
On Sociopaths
You can try to warn people about who or what they believe in, but in the end, you can't force anyone to change or see things your way unless they WANT to first. So all you can really do is give them your advice, and then let it go and hope for the best.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:40 am
I thought you were talking about positivist approaches to scientific method. I was kinda disappointed when it turned out not to be. sad
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