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 Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:05 pm
It feels much of the time that when ever I try to teach a person it ends up leading to nothing. No matter how hard I try it seems as if I loose touch with my students after a point in time and they end up slipping into positions that seem to be not conducive to progress.
Either slips into delusion or being bound or just having no will or direction to learn from.
Its difficult to know where the boundary should lie when it comes to guidance.
What is a mistake? What situations do they have to go through for them to learn, to grow?
If a student chooses not to remain in contact with you and they end up loosing touch with reality. End up ******** up and getting them selves in bad situations joining cults... deluding themselves into thinking that they're angels, getting them selves bound, loosing all that you've taught them to use, loose their will to know or to learn. Would you feel as if you taught them for nothing.
Would you feel as if you should let go of your apprentice. They chose to not be taught by you any more. They chose the path they are on. Should you let them go on their path even if it goes against all you've taught them?
Should you intervene?
I was going to write about individuals that I've taught and situations in which this has happened but I had bad luck with posting. This seemed to fill my posting needs.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:51 pm
On an aside LoBo_23 Captain 21430 1000 Congrats lobo ^_^ Back to topic I've had a couple students. It always seemed to feel as if when I stopped teaching them they just forgot everything. I'm afraid it was all for nothing... I don't know if this is contributing to my inability to teach now. I feel as if I shy away when it is mentioned.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:42 pm
Do you really think you've been through, lived a full life and have all the answers? It seems pretty hard to get that. Teachers and students ideally form a deep bond which enriches both. A teacher has to do more than just tell the student things. Teachers are often wrong. And as Zen (lol, if it says anything at all) says, and I personally believe, a true master has a strong disinclination to be a teacher. So most people should just learn, talk about, and not wrap it up in fancy ego boosting titles and honors.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:08 pm
IMO, I'd get over it, it's their life. They choose to ******** it up, not you. It's a lesson in itself really.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:26 pm
If someone I'm teaching drifts away or doesn't get it, I just let them go. It doesn't really bother me.
I don't really claim to know everything anyway--I just end up teaching because people go "So I heard you can lucid dream/use cards/astral travel. Zomg teach me plz!!1!"
So I end up trying to teach them. Some people learn some stuff, some don't. Most of them learn a few things and kind of graduate by going out to get books and finding real teachers, which is great because I can only help people so much. I don't consider myself a master by any stretch of the imagination; I'm more of a kind of advanced student who is good enough to tutor beginners or people not quite at my skill level.
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:19 pm
I've never been a formal teacher of anyone, though several people said they see me as their sort of 'spiritual teacher'. People are going to stray; it's part of life. It doesn't mean it's your fault, it doesn't mean what you did was just a waste. There's only so much you can learn from someone before you have to go out and learn from your own experiences.
If someone sees me as a teacher and they stray from me, I let it go. I don't get caught up in it; they're always welcome to come back and they know that. They're first and foremost my friends, before there is any sort of teacher/student relationship. Besides, I learn just as much from them as they do from me.
My guide, he was a teacher of mine before I was incarnated. Heavens knows I've strayed a lot, and keep going back and forth. He doesn't push me, he doesn't bring it up, and he's still there to support me and be my friend when I need it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:04 am
Sinesthera On an aside LoBo_23 Captain 21430 1000 Congrats lobo ^_^ Back to topic I've had a couple students. It always seemed to feel as if when I stopped teaching them they just forgot everything. I'm afraid it was all for nothing... I don't know if this is contributing to my inability to teach now. I feel as if I shy away when it is mentioned. Thanks. I've had plenty of students simply drift away from me, stop talking to me, or ignore me. I've also had teachers who have let go of me without notice, leave me alone, ignore me, and stop talking to me. It's annoying, it's rough, it's slightly difficult, but oh well... It's their part of life, they can choose to do whatever they please. If a student thought I wasn't good enough as a teacher then that's on them, it's their choice to learn from me or not.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:09 am
I never finished teaching anything... I never really got past basics
One person ended up bound...
I don't know how the other person ended up but they are the one I've been most concerned with. I had safe guards but with restrictions on my influence I am not sure if they even work now. I am deathly afraid that they will end up hurting someone with their knowledge.
I have no contact with the people I used to teach. They may have strayed but they never came back and from what I know... one has started a cult of sorts which leaves me a bit concerned.
I thought I had a bond with my last student... but that didn't last long.
Before that I had bonds, one betrayed my bonds, they ended up loosing all their senses and becoming possessed
The other just disappeared... and from what I know of his past lives he ...
Thought he was an angel thought he was doing gods work and ended up becoming a mass murderer thus I am a bit concerned about what has happened to him.
That and the other one of my students who had an inclination of being an angelic... I think may have had a complex of some sort... decided to start their own religion...
Wanted to be in a position of power so much that he created his own and well... this kinda makes me wonder. He allied himself with a spirit and tried to start a cult following. This seems odd to me. I never really trusted the spirit that he allied himself with. this isn't as great a concern to me as the person who I am afraid might go insane at some point.
Still it makes me wonder. What did they gain from me teaching them?
My last student his sight became iffy at best. He started failing the tests that I set for him. He stopped reading the books that I had given him and he tried to start a religious following
Suffice it to say that that wasn't quite what I was expecting. Especially after only a couple weeks...
Last I checked his sight was very shotty... the senses that I had built to help him learn he just neglected. He was seeing things that weren't there and it just gives me a heavy heart.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:08 am
This is something I often hate to tell people, but I'm going to say it anyway. I have had no problems with those that see me as their teacher. I know people who may have had a student leave them, but have no problems of said person going out and starting a cult. With you, it seems to be a trend. That's a warning sign.
If you think you have knowledge that is so dangerous that you're this concerned about a student leaving you, then don't tell people that knowledge. Plain and simple. Wait until you are much, much more sure you can trust a person before telling them that.
A true teacher will conform to the student's needs.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:49 pm
Sinesthera I never finished teaching anything... I never really got past basics One person ended up bound... I don't know how the other person ended up but they are the one I've been most concerned with. I had safe guards but with restrictions on my influence I am not sure if they even work now. I am deathly afraid that they will end up hurting someone with their knowledge. I have no contact with the people I used to teach. They may have strayed but they never came back and from what I know... one has started a cult of sorts which leaves me a bit concerned. I thought I had a bond with my last student... but that didn't last long. Before that I had bonds, one betrayed my bonds, they ended up loosing all their senses and becoming possessed The other just disappeared... and from what I know of his past lives he ... Thought he was an angel thought he was doing gods work and ended up becoming a mass murderer thus I am a bit concerned about what has happened to him. That and the other one of my students who had an inclination of being an angelic... I think may have had a complex of some sort... decided to start their own religion... Wanted to be in a position of power so much that he created his own and well... this kinda makes me wonder. He allied himself with a spirit and tried to start a cult following. This seems odd to me. I never really trusted the spirit that he allied himself with. this isn't as great a concern to me as the person who I am afraid might go insane at some point. Still it makes me wonder. What did they gain from me teaching them? My last student his sight became iffy at best. He started failing the tests that I set for him. He stopped reading the books that I had given him and he tried to start a religious following Suffice it to say that that wasn't quite what I was expecting. Especially after only a couple weeks... Last I checked his sight was very shotty... the senses that I had built to help him learn he just neglected. He was seeing things that weren't there and it just gives me a heavy heart.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:25 pm
"cough cough" never had a teacher O_O
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:07 am
Carmenshadow "cough cough" never had a teacher O_O
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:08 pm
Well... my post got mostly deleted... due to an accident
So trying to repeat it...
Most people didn't have problems with my Teaching... they Learned... just they couldn't or didn't stick around.
Well my students aren't my students because of external factors which no one could have stopped. One's girlfriend had them block me. I'd only taought them for a little while... but I do feel as if teaching them... led to nothing significant.
Ones grandparents cut their ties with everyone which makes me wonder about their mental health without a support group of any sort.
The only one that I quit associating with because of something Other then external factors lied to me. This is an ultimate "deal breaker"
Meaning I loose all trust in the person thus any associations etc. are broken.
I explained to Ritter what bound was
A limitation of interaction between two things... If anyone wants to know what I mean by this you can ask me
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:15 pm
Carmenshadow "cough cough" never had a teacher O_O Neither did I, unless you want to count my brother trying to use me to do energy work for him that he didn't understand teaching... Once you get the theory down... the only real teaching you need to have is knowing how the theories can be applied etc. It just takes a bit of creativity. Though it is nice to have other people come up with theories of how to deal with things. I usually consider all teaching to be mutual as I learn as they learn. Its more a reciprocal relationship than anything else. I just understood more of the basic principals then they did and some other things... It was mostly an understanding of patterns... But it doesn't matter... what I know or what I was teaching...
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:03 am
Quote: Most people didn't have problems with my Teaching... they Learned... just they couldn't or didn't stick around But not everyone is openly honest about this. You saw that with me already--I acted fine with the MR, but then one day just had enough and left. That's exactly an uncommon way of acting; your students might be doing the same thing. All I'm saying is you might want to really analyze the situation and see if there are any linking factors. Quote: but I do feel as if teaching them... led to nothing significant. Things shouldn't be thought of as being significant or insignificant that way. We're ALL insignificant in the grand scheme of things. And yet to each other we can be very significant. Perhaps you feel your acts led to nothing. But those students left impacts on you, right? And surely you left some sort of impact on them. That makes it significant. Quote: But it doesn't matter... what I know or what I was teaching... It actually does matter. What you teach determines HOW you teach, and what you know determines how your students are going to view you. If you know objective things, you're going to teach more traditionally. If you know more subjective things, you're going to teach by example. If you know a lot in your field, students will respect you; if not, they won't.
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