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Leavaros

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:01 am


NOTE: This class/discussion is no longer taught/led by a teacher. However, please feel free to read through it and ask any questions that you may have or express any thoughts/opinions you have. Just please don't ask, "Can I join the class?" Because the answer is 'no'. Thank you.

Hello all, and Love and Vale.

This class will utilize the same structure as my stories and poems do. Lessons and Topics will be posted in ornate, my Updates in whisper, and Comments/Replies in say. I would ask all of my fellow members to use some semblance of grammar, color black, aligned left. I do hope that isn't too much to ask. It makes it easier on these weary eyes of mine.

Love and Vale,
~Leavaros Dapple
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:09 am


Table of Contents

1st Post: Rules (First Update)
2nd Post: Table of Contents (Second Update)
3rd Post: List of Participants (Third Update)
4th Post: Introduction (Prelude to Lessons and Lesson #1)
5th Post: Basic Meditative Information (Lesson #1) (added to post 4)
6th Post: First Thoughtful Topic (Lesson #2)
7th Post: First Reflective Topic (Lesson #2)
8th Post: First Discussion (Will begin on Sunday and conclude on Saturday)

Leavaros


Leavaros

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:23 am


List of Participants

(Will be expected to take part in at least one of each every month.)
Ciele Fu
Reivyn-chan
Foxmore
MoRbId DoLiE
dark_angel_32189
Kaydell
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:24 am


Introduction


What is Meditation and how is it typically performed?

Meditation is a thing nearly all religious factions have used at one time or another. Granted, it is called different things, and the methods are slightly different, but all can be clumped under Meditation.

There is another thread here that has the basics for meditation, but I will give them here as well, so as not to send people in every direction.

Get in a comfortable position. Not too comfortable--you don't want to fall asleep, you want to relax--but certainly not too uncomfortable--I don't want to hear any whining about aching back's now. wink Usually, laying down on a blanket on the floor is just right. I like sitting on a bed, or leaning against a wall, but that isn't for everyone. Try different methods, and see what you get out of each position. Sometimes, I like to switch it up a bit.

After you've gotten into position, clear your mind of all thoughts. In Relaxing Meditation, you would try to forget that your mind is clear, and try to forget trying to forget.

But in these two Meditations, you must think of your mind as a board, from which you erase all thoughts--all thoughts but one. Like a single plant being doted on, it will grow strong with time, patience, food, water, light. You must provide these things for this seed to grow fully, and so we watch it expand. First a shoot rises from its cradle, and then a leaf unfurls, and more and more, until something changes--

Something changes, and when all things are right, the plant will blossom, each bud opening, stretching wide its perfect petals. The beauty of the truth is nothing short of breathtaking, the simplicity of the solution is simply flawless, or perfectly flawed.

And from each wonderful flower--the completion of a separate and unique truth, from the truck of a singular truth--comes new seeds--and what shapes shall these take? Will they be fruit or bulb or seed? What new truth awaits to be had and shared?

So, without further ado, Thoughtful and Reflective Meditations.

What is Thoughtful Meditation and how does it expand on basic meditation?

Thoughtful Meditation takes a phrase--usually a proverb or a law--and takes it into consideration. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is it absolute or relative? What is the lesson of this thing? Can it be applied to life? Does it have any layers? Is it at all true? What can we learn from this?

What is Reflective Meditation and how does it expand on basic meditation?

Like Thoughtful Meditation, it takes something--usually a historic event or a personal choice--and takes it into consideration. What was its causes? Effects? Was it right? Was it wrong? Could it have been helped? Was there an alternative? What can we learn from this?

What can these things be used for?

Reflection on events, helps us not to repeat mistakes, and continue to do those things we are doing rightly. Contemplation on inner truth and hidden values shows a deeper, truer value or truth to us. This helps us make good decisions more easily, as we develop a higher personal morality, and can give us the courage to confront society, ourselves, and others.

Will we discuss our topics?

Yes. Each topic will be posted on Sunday and we will discuss them until they conclude on Saturday, excluding the first two.

Will you really be taking part in the discussions?

You needn't put it like that, now. Yes, I will, but I'll try to keep my personal convictions at a minimum, for the sake of keeping the peace, and ensuring that new growth is not so very quickly...pruned.

Why should I take part in one each a month?

Simple. Because as the time goes on, we will study increasingly difficult and complex statements and actions. And because this gives us a chance for everyone to get to know one another a little better. And because, for the purposes of this class, any less participation would render it useless.  

Leavaros


Leavaros

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:27 am


"Thoughtful" Topic #1


An' it harm none, do what ye will.




Is it absolute, or relative? (Or a mix?)

Can this be followed precisely?

Can harm ever stop harm? At what point does inaction become harmful?

And what if that inaction is actually more harmful than a small harm?

How does this relate to you?

How does this relate to society?

What is your ultimate statement about this?

Remember to MEDITATE on this first. Don't jump to conclusions.
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:29 am


"Reflective" Topic #1


All of us have secrets we don't always like to let out, even to those we are close to, because of how they might react. Many Wiccans have difficulty coming out of the "broomstick closet" to their parents.


(This can also be used for any secret and any party.)

Is there a "right way" to tell them?

Do you regret telling them? Or keeping it a secret for so long?

Is it better to tell them and get it over with?

Is it better to tell them up front than for them to find out later?

Would their response hold weight for you?

Can you be strong in front of them?

You know [this] is right for you, despite what they may think. Should you be honest with yourself? Or spare them--and probably yourself--pain? Is there one truly moral path here?

What is your ultimate statement about this?

Remember to MEDITATE on this first. Don't jump to conclusions.
 

Leavaros


Funa Spectrum

PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:15 pm


I haven't a clue if I'm doing this right (or whether I can post yet D: ) but these were my thought patterns/conclusions on the thoughtful topic with no particular relation to the original bullet points:


- Wasn't this phrase proved to mean something slightly different when picked apart? Like... if it doesn't harm anyone, go ahead and do it. If it does, make sure you know the implications of what you're doing.

- Try not killing microbes in your life. Or head lice.

- As natural omnivores, it's hard to not harm anything in diet. This is how nature designed us. I'm not going to become a vegetarian as straying from the natural order makes things more difficult for me.

- I'd like to believe I harm no more than I have to, but I'll 'cause' karma if it doesn't seem to be happening. I will give people what they deserve, I have a strong sense of justice, and I hope that they'll won't do it again if they see what happens. Maybe it's a justification of revenge, but if something else gets there before me then I'll just sit back and hope there was a lesson learned. And this is rarely magically. Why should these rules only apply magically?

- "The decision to not do anything is still a decision." (I don't remember where this is originally from, but it appeared and stayed relevant.)

- Tao. Live in harmony with our natures. We will kill. But hey, one day we'll die and give life. Life has both a light and a dark side. One gives birth to another. It all evens out.


So... apparently I don't believe in it as an absolute, and put my trust in karma and a natural pattern. But it's a nice idea. I know I'll be nice to people who deserve it because I know it'll make them happy. I like it when people are happy. If people make those people sad then I'll try and make them stop. I know I think like a small child most of the time. But not through the meditation, which was nice.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:07 pm


Ah, that's very true--to live, we must feed. Is it wrong to eat, because it hurts something else? Or is it wrong not to eat, because that would harm yourself?

Can it then be said that "Harm none" is a contradiction...? Or is there something else we haven't factored in to the equation? Could "harm as little as possible" be a more apt rule?

Oh, and by the way, I think you got the main part of the quote right. The decision not to decide is still a decision.

Love and Vale,
-LD

P. S. Thanks for posting Ciele!

Leavaros


Foxmore

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:17 am


I used a candle to help me meditate on this (I don't know if it helped or distracted me). While I was looking at the flame I just repeated "harm none" over and over again. This is what I cam up with...

It is impossible to truly harm none. As humans we are imperfect and can not always see the consequences to our actions before the fact. Take a simple sleep well spell (particularly one that is to stop nightmares and such). Seems pretty harmless right? As long as you only cast it on yourself or on others with their permission it seems dandy. But what if those dreams were an important part of your journey? That they were the tools to help you through your current state, whatever that may be. Wouldn't that be harming yourself to not allow you to grow the way that was intended? Though it may be a nessasary harm if these dreams are causing you problems in your social life, job, work, ect. There is always gray, no matter how white it seems.

I am not sure if any of that will make since to anyone but me. I am not sure if this was even the assignment, but it is what I got when I tried.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:09 pm


Well after working one the "Thoughtful" Topic for a while I've come to realize that even though I have lived off this saying for years I've never truly realized that it can have some serious faults. I now know that no matter how pure our intentions someone is always going to be effected by our decisions.
EX:
If a friend is seeking trouble about his/her job, like they're about to lose it. If you can help in anyway without harming someone, then you probably will. Now let's say you helped and your friend's job is safe. What about the person who might have gotten the job? Or the promotion someone might have gotten if your friend was fired? It's not all that bad no, but still someone was shot down.
This can work in many different ways. At School, at home, work, or just hanging out with others. You never know the cause and effect this could have on others. It's really got me thinking of my choices as a person and what I can do to keep myself in harmony with those around me. I know that with this now in my mind I will try and do the best I can.

The "Reflective" Topic took me a while. I had to think back on when I told my father and during my trace, I realized that he was really very supportive. His second ex-wife was a wiccan and she was great about it until she broke the first and most important rule. She began doing hurtful things to the people around her. I'm unhappy to say that we couldn't help her and she is no longer part of my family, though I do hope she sees herself one day.
In any case I don't regret telling my father cause now he knows why I don't open up to my mother. She's not very friendly of open-minded about most things. He's there if I need to talk to someone about it and he's there when I need help. I'm glad to have told him.
Which brings me back to my Mother. Why can't I tell her? I sat for a while thinking about this and it's still unclear to me. I know that she wont hate me, yet I can't come out and tell her. I think she might know already, but still I say nothing of it. No matter what she says I know that she wont be angry with me and I wont be swayed from my beliefs, but still nothing. I simply think that I'm trapped in this little box and she has to open it. I hope one day she finds out that I'm in there.

Bastenchury

Gracious Lunatic


Choir-Angel

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:16 pm


Yeek! I haven't done the assignment yet, but I promise I will by the end of the week. I've just started school, so today's been pretty hectic. I've been busy and people are really upsetting me...This poor tree outside, the neighbors have gouged out chunks of it with an axe and tore off most of its bark...I cried over this. Can't they understand that even a tree has a life force? They're so ignorant and it upsets me terribly...I live in an awful neighborhood filled with druggies, um...uncouth ladies, and people that randomly jump out of their car and try to beat up your boyfriend... gonk Yea...This one scared me...

*sigh* I promise to have this done soon though. In fact, I'm looking forward to it...^_^
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