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Koiyuki
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:18 pm


With the age of the internet, the world and all it's info, tales and culture are available for those willing to peruse and learn from it. In fields once dominated by professionals, the common man and woman, with a knack for whatever they do, can showcase their talents on a world wide stage, and possibly even make a living without going through any of the major channels typically required of them.

However, it is in this some believe the culture we knew from older days is dying away, becoming more and more generalized and losing it's individuality. Among them, the train of thought is that we, as creatives, cherry pick this and that to make something we call our own, but in reality looks just like the next person's style, and the next person's style, and so on, and so on. Among them, the train of thought is that those with opinions and the ability to network and advertise well are finding their views becoming that, of the people's view and sometimes gaining more precedent than those who are professional writers, journalists, and so on.

The simple question I pose to you all, is this: Are we, as a people, losing our culture, as we grow more connected to the world?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:59 pm


Culture from "older days" is always dying away. New technological innovations and ever-evolving social values have a tendency to change how people live out their lives.

...But, and here's simple question of my own, so what?

It's just the way things happen as time progresses. No matter what, the face of the Earth is always changing (be it technologically, socially, environmentally, or anything else), and everything that changes is going to have an effect on how societies function and how individuals carry out their lives. Even if the previous decade's culture wasn't being shaped by the same social/technological/environmental factors we have come to recognize today, it would still be shaped by these factors (albeit in a different form), and the previous decade's culture would still fade away.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:39 pm


That's the way the world works.

Simple as that. Most of the first-world countries in the world have similar, near identical lifestyles, due to the ideal life including ownership of a house, a car, television, and enough food and water to not have to worry about survival. Even before the internet, countries were moving toward the ideal that most of us live with day in and day out without really thinking of it. We've just become more connected.

I mean, look at China. They're trying, as a whole, to modernize and become more "Western". It's become the world's ideal lifestyle, the Western one. Older day culture cannot survive in a world where the distance between two people is becoming shorter and shorter. One day, visiting someone will be as easy as getting in some super-speed aircraft or some teleportation device, no matter how far away they live. It's a fact, as people are more easily able to talk and interact despite possibly living on the other side of the world, cultural preservation will take a backseat to most things.

We'll just have to deal with it and embrace it. I, personally, find the fact that I'm able to talk to someone from China or Japan over MSN easily and actually become very good friends with them very cool, despite living on the other side of the world. Embrace it, hate it, do whatever. But accept it.
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:20 am


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One day, visiting someone will be as easy as getting in some super-speed aircraft or some teleportation device, no matter how far away they live. It's a fact, as people are more easily able to talk and interact despite possibly living on the other side of the world, cultural preservation will take a backseat to most things.


Personally, with Internet shopping becoming more popular and the technology for Pee Wee Herman-esque video phone in our hands, I think it is more conceivable (and more relevant to Koiyuki's original post) to imagine it being entirely possible to live out an entire life without leaving a house or apartment.

With e-mail, instant messenger, blogs, telephone, and soon-to-be-affordable video phone readily available to everyone, I would think it's safe to say actually having to meet people in person is no longer an absolutely necessary requirement to get anything done.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:43 pm


The_Wicked_Man
Spiffy Negligee
One day, visiting someone will be as easy as getting in some super-speed aircraft or some teleportation device, no matter how far away they live. It's a fact, as people are more easily able to talk and interact despite possibly living on the other side of the world, cultural preservation will take a backseat to most things.


Personally, with Internet shopping becoming more popular and the technology for Pee Wee Herman-esque video phone in our hands, I think it is more conceivable (and more relevant to Koiyuki's original post) to imagine it being entirely possible to live out an entire life without leaving a house or apartment.

With e-mail, instant messenger, blogs, telephone, and soon-to-be-affordable video phone readily available to everyone, I would think it's safe to say actually having to meet people in person is no longer an absolutely necessary requirement to get anything done.

Well, that's one way to promote abstinence...

Anyway, that'll probably be the decline of society as we know it...people are pack animals, even the biggest loners subconsciously feel the desire for human contact, that's why they tend to get depressed. If we truly don't have to leave the house, we'll first get very fat, second everyone will get largely very depressed.

But I see that happening already. Once the neighborhood was a tight, close community, everyone helped each other and everyone was like a family.

Nowadays, that is becoming less true, simple as that. If we can one day never have to leave our house, then each house will be its own isolated community.

So basically we're all condemned to rickets and severe depression thanks to technology ^__^ YAY!
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:48 pm


Spiffy Negligee
Well, that's one way to promote abstinence...

Anyway, that'll probably be the decline of society as we know it...people are pack animals, even the biggest loners subconsciously feel the desire for human contact, that's why they tend to get depressed. If we truly don't have to leave the house, we'll first get very fat, second everyone will get largely very depressed.

But I see that happening already. Once the neighborhood was a tight, close community, everyone helped each other and everyone was like a family.

Nowadays, that is becoming less true, simple as that. If we can one day never have to leave our house, then each house will be its own isolated community.

So basically we're all condemned to rickets and severe depression thanks to technology ^__^ YAY!


Actually, I don't see that happening as the norm in the near future. You see, while we may not have a need to leave the house in order to get things done, it has no relation to our desire to leave our homes in order to do things. While we have cellphones, faxes and other things, I don't really see people abandoning the old routine of hanging out, socializing or just having a beer with your friends every once in a while. This era permits ease of communication, but that does not mean it condones physical isolation. Not only that, but people wouldn't get all that fat as a norm, simply because, bluntly put, we wouldn't be able to get laid. A human feels the need to feel attractive, and that, to a point, makes us strive, at least minimally, to appear attractive. It's in our subconscious, even though minimal, still present as a self-preservation instinct.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:37 pm


Lord Vyce
Actually, I don't see that happening as the norm in the near future. You see, while we may not have a need to leave the house in order to get things done, it has no relation to our desire to leave our homes in order to do things.


This is true. What I have said has nothing to do with human desire, but I will maintain that making it easier for people to live without having to leave the home is a very significant development. I may continue to want to go outside, but the fact remains that more and more often, I do not necessarily have to.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:10 am


The_Wicked_Man
Lord Vyce
Actually, I don't see that happening as the norm in the near future. You see, while we may not have a need to leave the house in order to get things done, it has no relation to our desire to leave our homes in order to do things.


This is true. What I have said has nothing to do with human desire, but I will maintain that making it easier for people to live without having to leave the home is a very significant development. I may continue to want to go outside, but the fact remains that more and more often, I do not necessarily have to.


It is a significant development indeed. One that changes mentalities in relation to our views of "laziness" and "effectiveness", not to mention a change towards the concept of "the loner".

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:40 pm


Lord Vyce
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Lord Vyce
Actually, I don't see that happening as the norm in the near future. You see, while we may not have a need to leave the house in order to get things done, it has no relation to our desire to leave our homes in order to do things.


This is true. What I have said has nothing to do with human desire, but I will maintain that making it easier for people to live without having to leave the home is a very significant development. I may continue to want to go outside, but the fact remains that more and more often, I do not necessarily have to.


It is a significant development indeed. One that changes mentalities in relation to our views of "laziness" and "effectiveness", to mention a change towards the concept of "the loner".


Additionally, it makes sense to see that more and more people are becoming upset at the fact that the human body is becoming less and less important.

Already, you see people going on about the "obesity epidemic" and yet, most people can see through that thinly veiled attempt at hating on people who just don't care about being "hot" conventionally anymore.

You can join WoW or many other MMORPGs (including the Sims and such), where you can BE who you've always wanted to be. You can design yourself all the way down to your eye color and body shape and size; people who are trans-gendered can finally be who they've always viewed themselves inside as.

The thing is, the people who are not interested in the Internet (especially those really superficial and bubble-brained types), tend to be outcrying about how people don't "care about their bodies anymore" and in a desperate attempt to ignore rapidly increasing MMO success, they keep trying to talk about how people who live their lives obsessed with a "fantasy" are "deluded" or "psychologically ******** up".

However, in some ways, this is the future. We have been able to bring ourselves to the next step of communication and evolutionary development. We can seemlessly and instantly connect up with people of different cultures, languages, and ideas. We can connect with similar interests without geographical limitations.

We can become someone of our own design on the internet in ways that our physical bodies can never achieve.

And we are listened to, and can gain more power as a group in anonymity than we could ever achieve as a protesting group with signs.

The power is here, it's just how we apply it that makes the difference.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:47 pm


Oni no Tenshi
Additionally, it makes sense to see that more and more people are becoming upset at the fact that the human body is becoming less and less important.

Already, you see people going on about the "obesity epidemic" and yet, most people can see through that thinly veiled attempt at hating on people who just don't care about being "hot" conventionally anymore.

You can join WoW or many other MMORPGs (including the Sims and such), where you can BE who you've always wanted to be. You can design yourself all the way down to your eye color and body shape and size; people who are trans-gendered can finally be who they've always viewed themselves inside as.

The thing is, the people who are not interested in the Internet (especially those really superficial and bubble-brained types), tend to be outcrying about how people don't "care about their bodies anymore" and in a desperate attempt to ignore rapidly increasing MMO success, they keep trying to talk about how people who live their lives obsessed with a "fantasy" are "deluded" or "psychologically ******** up".

However, in some ways, this is the future. We have been able to bring ourselves to the next step of communication and evolutionary development. We can seemlessly and instantly connect up with people of different cultures, languages, and ideas. We can connect with similar interests without geographical limitations.

We can become someone of our own design on the internet in ways that our physical bodies can never achieve.

And we are listened to, and can gain more power as a group in anonymity than we could ever achieve as a protesting group with signs.

The power is here, it's just how we apply it that makes the difference.


*INSERT YOUR OWN PRETENTIOUS, OMINOUS, AND OVERUSED STATEMENT ABOUT CYBERSPACE CULTURE IN NEUROMANCER BY WILLIAM GIBSON HERE*

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:10 am


Oni no Tenshi
Additionally, it makes sense to see that more and more people are becoming upset at the fact that the human body is becoming less and less important.

Already, you see people going on about the "obesity epidemic" and yet, most people can see through that thinly veiled attempt at hating on people who just don't care about being "hot" conventionally anymore.


This is not necessarily true, though you have a point. Most people talking about the "obesity epidemic" while somewhat exaggerating, have a point as well. People are gaining ridiculous amounts of weight on average, especially in more developed regions.

Oni no Tenshi
You can join WoW or many other MMORPGs (including the Sims and such), where you can BE who you've always wanted to be. You can design yourself all the way down to your eye color and body shape and size; people who are trans-gendered can finally be who they've always viewed themselves inside as.


While this is completely true, they must never forget that while they can see themselves as what they truly feel like, it's not what they currently are. There are many psychological variations and reactions to this fact.

Oni no Tenshi
The thing is, the people who are not interested in the Internet (especially those really superficial and bubble-brained types), tend to be outcrying about how people don't "care about their bodies anymore" and in a desperate attempt to ignore rapidly increasing MMO success, they keep trying to talk about how people who live their lives obsessed with a "fantasy" are "deluded" or "psychologically ******** up".


But you do have to admit that many a number of people do seem to be of the "one more level, one more level, one more level...." mentality, making the rest of the group look like mentally unhealthy beings, sometimes even denying themselves social contact or turning down their friend's offers of hanging out because "they have a raid to go to".

Like I said, this is a large group we're talking about, so of course it gives out the wrong image. It's much their fault as it is the fault of "the superficial and bubble-brained types".


Oni no Tenshi
However, in some ways, this is the future. We have been able to bring ourselves to the next step of communication and evolutionary development. We can seemlessly and instantly connect up with people of different cultures, languages, and ideas. We can connect with similar interests without geographical limitations.

We can become someone of our own design on the internet in ways that our physical bodies can never achieve.

And we are listened to, and can gain more power as a group in anonymity than we could ever achieve as a protesting group with signs.

The power is here, it's just how we apply it that makes the difference.


This is completely solid. While I do differ in considering this an evolutionary step, I do believe it will greatly influence the future.
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