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 Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:03 pm
An' ye harm none, do what ye will... Now this thread I was thinking about making for some time now.
In Christianity, I believe that they look down upon the thought of evolution.
If you do not know what that is, let me explain.
evolution, in my eyes, is the idea that we cam from another animal.
We "evolved" from that species to make this species. It is not strictly for the Human species but for in general of all animals.
I made this thread to discuss What you, as an individual, think about Evolution, and then discuss about what the Pagan belief of evolution is.
I personally believe that evolution may very well be true, and if it is, ok, but if it is wrong, that is ok too.
I am not too pushy about the subject, but i thought it would be great to have this discussion up and running.
I am sorry if this discussion is already been talked about recently.
^ ^
~Blessed Be~
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:09 pm
I believe in creationism and evolution. I believe we were created, and then evolved into what we are today. Every creature on this planet has evolved in some way. Adapted to their environment, etc. That's why there are so many differences in the way we look and like, etc. The gods created us, but from what they created, many different nationalities, etc evolved. That's just what I believe and of course, I don't expect everyone else to believe this. It just makes sense to me.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:19 pm
I do believe in evolution, but I think that this is like stating that I "believe" in the sky being blue, because evolution is an irrefutable fact in our world and you can see its effects and it processes here on Earth in real time. Believing in it isn't the issue: its acceptance of a somewhat inconvienient truth that boggles the minds of most zealots.
Additionally, I don't find that religious belief should factor into our thoughts on the evolutionary practice, at least not for pagans. We have no set doctrine that dictates our practices, and as such, there is no book that categorically puts our gods at the center of each and every action here on Earth, therefore, whether or not evolution has influenced our species shouldn't be a faith issue.
That said, I think it's also important to point out that the works of science; such as the Big Bang, evolution, etc. are not necessarily separate from the Divine Work. Taking it from a Christian point of view, who's to say that God did not personally oversee the process of evolution that created humans? How can we, as people created of our Gods, presume to be more knowledgeable than Them, and deem that any natural processes (and remember, "natural" is supposed to be "god-like") are separate from divine intervention? I see no reason why our Goddess and our God could not have facilitated the natural or earthly processes that science has proved to exist. True, it may not be as fantastic or as magnificent as the idea that They created us all as we are today from clay, but who are we to put those kinds of restrictions on our deities? The fact that we were able to evolve seems plenty magnificent to me.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:31 pm
There's significant proof of it happening. Science and religion don't conflict in my mind. 
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:07 pm
LadySorcha I do believe in evolution, but I think that this is like stating that I "believe" in the sky being blue, because evolution is an irrefutable fact in our world and you can see its effects and it processes here on Earth in real time. Believing in it isn't the issue: its acceptance of a somewhat inconvienient truth that boggles the minds of most zealots. Additionally, I don't find that religious belief should factor into our thoughts on the evolutionary practice, at least not for pagans. We have no set doctrine that dictates our practices, and as such, there is no book that categorically puts our gods at the center of each and every action here on Earth, therefore, whether or not evolution has influenced our species shouldn't be a faith issue. That said, I think it's also important to point out that the works of science; such as the Big Bang, evolution, etc. are not necessarily separate from the Divine Work. Taking it from a Christian point of view, who's to say that God did not personally oversee the process of evolution that created humans? How can we, as people created of our Gods, presume to be more knowledgeable than Them, and deem that any natural processes (and remember, "natural" is supposed to be "god-like") are separate from divine intervention? I see no reason why our Goddess and our God could not have facilitated the natural or earthly processes that science has proved to exist. True, it may not be as fantastic or as magnificent as the idea that They created us all as we are today from clay, but who are we to put those kinds of restrictions on our deities? The fact that we were able to evolve seems plenty magnificent to me. Again, you take the words from my tongue. Ciele Fu There's significant proof of it happening. Science and religion don't conflict in my mind. Tell that to Galileo. Love and Vale, -LD
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:46 pm
Leavaros Ciele Fu There's significant proof of it happening. Science and religion don't conflict in my mind. Tell that to Galileo. Love and Vale, -LD
Ah yes. Poor sod. Literal intepretation of the bible + science = serious no.
But no, that's just my beliefs and evolution not conflicting, not a general. Sorry.
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:44 pm
No worries. But one must wonder how far we would be today if he had been accepted and embraced by society then. How far would science be now? Of course, the same thing could be asked about ethics had Valentine and Jesus and Buddha not been martyred (in so many ways), not to mention Martin Luther King or his namesake.
And I have no doubt that, given 50~200 years, this will be asked of Darwin as well.
Love and Vale,
-Leavaros/Masq
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:12 am
Choir-Angel I believe in creationism and evolution. I believe we were created, and then evolved into what we are today. Every creature on this planet has evolved in some way. Adapted to their environment, etc. That's why there are so many differences in the way we look and like, etc. The gods created us, but from what they created, many different nationalities, etc evolved. That's just what I believe and of course, I don't expect everyone else to believe this. It just makes sense to me. An' ye harm none, do what ye will... Yeah that belief would make sense! XD LadySorcha I do believe in evolution, but I think that this is like stating that I "believe" in the sky being blue, because evolution is an irrefutable fact in our world and you can see its effects and it processes here on Earth in real time. Believing in it isn't the issue: its acceptance of a somewhat inconvienient truth that boggles the minds of most zealots. Additionally, I don't find that religious belief should factor into our thoughts on the evolutionary practice, at least not for pagans. We have no set doctrine that dictates our practices, and as such, there is no book that categorically puts our gods at the center of each and every action here on Earth, therefore, whether or not evolution has influenced our species shouldn't be a faith issue. That said, I think it's also important to point out that the works of science; such as the Big Bang, evolution, etc. are not necessarily separate from the Divine Work. Taking it from a Christian point of view, who's to say that God did not personally oversee the process of evolution that created humans? How can we, as people created of our Gods, presume to be more knowledgeable than Them, and deem that any natural processes (and remember, "natural" is supposed to be "god-like") are separate from divine intervention? I see no reason why our Goddess and our God could not have facilitated the natural or earthly processes that science has proved to exist. True, it may not be as fantastic or as magnificent as the idea that They created us all as we are today from clay, but who are we to put those kinds of restrictions on our deities? The fact that we were able to evolve seems plenty magnificent to me. Well Put! Yes that makes a lot of sense as well. Ciele Fu There's significant proof of it happening. Science and religion don't conflict in my mind. It is best that way. Letting either Science or Religion fight each other like they do is obviously not healthy. You know there is a reason to why when Religion Ruled the earth it was called the "Dark Ages" ~Blessed Be~
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:42 pm
Leavaros LadySorcha I do believe in evolution, but I think that this is like stating that I "believe" in the sky being blue, because evolution is an irrefutable fact in our world and you can see its effects and it processes here on Earth in real time. Believing in it isn't the issue: its acceptance of a somewhat inconvienient truth that boggles the minds of most zealots. Additionally, I don't find that religious belief should factor into our thoughts on the evolutionary practice, at least not for pagans. We have no set doctrine that dictates our practices, and as such, there is no book that categorically puts our gods at the center of each and every action here on Earth, therefore, whether or not evolution has influenced our species shouldn't be a faith issue. That said, I think it's also important to point out that the works of science; such as the Big Bang, evolution, etc. are not necessarily separate from the Divine Work. Taking it from a Christian point of view, who's to say that God did not personally oversee the process of evolution that created humans? How can we, as people created of our Gods, presume to be more knowledgeable than Them, and deem that any natural processes (and remember, "natural" is supposed to be "god-like") are separate from divine intervention? I see no reason why our Goddess and our God could not have facilitated the natural or earthly processes that science has proved to exist. True, it may not be as fantastic or as magnificent as the idea that They created us all as we are today from clay, but who are we to put those kinds of restrictions on our deities? The fact that we were able to evolve seems plenty magnificent to me.
As I watch the seasons change, watch the plantlife adapt to the seasons, and watch the animals adapt to their environments, I see no argument toward a physical manifestation of evolution.
In addition, I strongly believe in spiritual evolution and devolution, crescendos and decrescendos, like a great orchestra conducted by the cosmos. This is called the precession of the Equinox.
Have you ever wondered why there are stories of great times, the predate our own time, yet we are taught to believe that as time progresses, so do we? How can greater, more enlightened times have occurred before us if the evolutionary plane only inclines?
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:27 pm
Well i have come up with a lot of ideas about this. I'm going to address only one and it is not one i still belive fully. My idea was simply that evolution and science is how God created things. The bible is not so specific as to how God created the earth and humans. It seems to me that it is possible that God simply rearranged the DNA in his beings to cause evolution. HE is GOD after all and created us.
I know this idea is based in the belief in god but like i said it was just something i thought of. God's magic = science of a higher scale.
Sry if this offends anyone it was just an idea i had.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:27 am
Umm it's kinda OBVIOUS we're related to apes and the like. so yeah Evolution exists. where do you think we get psychiks from, pet stores? They're humans, too. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:10 am
I believe in Evolution because the evidence is all around us. Living beings are perpetually adapting and changing to better suit their enviroment. But who is to say that the Gods and Goddesses didn't set in motion the events that would lead to the Evolution of the World we know today. I guess you could say I believe in both xp
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:07 pm
well evolution means a slow change over time, and you have to admit the earth has changed and so have people, i am not sure what the devout evolutionist thinks, but i believe that the world was created and then did evolve, and it still is ninja
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:59 pm
I believe in sort of a mix of both. Evolution because the evidence is so plainly in front of our very eyes, and creation because there has to be some huge divine force somewhere out there who gave space and time a little push to help create the earth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:40 pm
I am a completely whole-hearted believer in evolution. The scientific evidence is huge, and it does make a lot of sense. I'm not a person who looks at humans any differently then I do animals. Probably why I get on so well with the latter, and not quite as well with the former sweatdrop
It is, I thing, silly to deny the existence of evolution because there are so many examples around us. This doesn't mean, however, that evolution wasn't set in motion by something else, which, I think, is one of the things that people seem to miss so often. Evolution and God CAN co-exist. If only others saw it that way as well 3nodding
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