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Salmenella

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:28 pm


So I'm still new to my religion, been practicing for just a few months (studying for about 6). My boyfriend and a couple of close friends know, that's about it.
My boyfriend is an atheist and is still getting used to the idea that I'm religious (wasn't for majority of our relationship) so he kind of laughs at it from time to time. I have midterms toorrow so I made an offering and a promise for further offerings to Minerva for her guidance and wisdom for my midterms and studying for them so I told him to not go into the bedroom for a while while I do it (because if he enters the room or anything happens that means I have to finish the ritual and start all over again). I just told him I had to pray and didn't tell him the reasoning. He kept asking me what I was praying for, but I was nervous to tell him because I'm afraid he'd laugh.


So I was just wondering if anyone else has this issue with their loved ones. Do you hide parts of your religion (or all) because you're afraid of laughter? Do you get nervous when people ask you what your religion is because that means you'd get weird looks and the "oh.." response after you had to explain what it meant?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:43 pm


I have to explain how I do believe in God and how my belief in God is slightly different than my family and friends, but that's about it. I have had a few friends who while they don't agree with religion or even a belief in God, they at least supported that it was important to me, and has historically played a role in culture.

I have a few members of my family which consider me a satan worshiper because I am a witch, but that;s ok. I know that even if I explained my views on the bible and God that they would never explain. I have never really had any issues of feeling silly because of family and friends.

I have felt silly because of not understanding some of the importance and culture context of various rites and rituals, but thats about it. I have to hide my personal paradigms when I am with certain family members but its a respect thing because of the paradigm they live under.

Due to my ability to shift paradigms I think it can be easier for me than for others/ I freely admit that even when I act under a Christian paradigm I am always considered a heretic, but that's all right. So long as I always seem to accept Jesus as Divine and the Son of God I can get along. Those are two things I have always acknowledged.

Does it really bother you about how your friends feel about your religious beliefs?

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Salmenella

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:31 pm


I guess my thing is is because I've never had to explain my beliefs before. As a kid I was Christian, everyone knows what Christians believe in. Then I just wasn't anything and had no beliefs and didn't worry about the existence of Gods so I didn't have to explain that either. That's my main thing.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:03 pm


I have yet to tell anyone in my family about me. They would all disown me if I did. I have fluttered around the subject and got very negative feed back on it so I decided not to go any farther. It's for my own safety, not my need to stay hidden to make it seem mysterious.

I do think that there is a God and that Jesus is real, so I am capable of scraping by when someone asks me 'Do you believe in God/Jesus?" I can say yes but then mentally add, 'But I do not worship them' So technically it's not lying. Haha. Agreeing just makes life easier and keeps them from trying to have me committed. I watched a friend of mine go through that and I felt awful for her about it.

There was one person I have told about my religious views. A friend of mine. He laughed at me about it, and made fun of me because I can feel the power of the elements and feel the touch of my Goddess and God. He asked me to explain it to him once and I did, but he laughed at me so I said screw it. If he didn't like it, or thought it was stupid, then religion would not be a topic I would discuss.

However, a few weeks ago, we were at his fathers house and he outed me in front of his father. Luckily his father took it well and listened to me explain why I'm a witch and that it's not devil worship. Although he did laugh at me a few times. But that's alright. At least he kind of accepted it and didn't toss me out of his house.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:00 am


I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:55 pm


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I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
Elaborate please.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:27 am


Salmenella
vwytche
I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
Elaborate please.


Your original post said that you hadn't previously been very religious. Yet now you feel the need to have a more active religious life. I think you need to understand within yourself how and why this changed before you can start trying to help others understand.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:39 am


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vwytche
I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
Elaborate please.


Your original post said that you hadn't previously been very religious. Yet now you feel the need to have a more active religious life. I think you need to understand within yourself how and why this changed before you can start trying to help others understand.
You act like the whole process of me being religious wasn't me looking within. I don't care about making people understand. I think you missed my point.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:02 pm


Salmenella
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Salmenella
vwytche
I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
Elaborate please.


Your original post said that you hadn't previously been very religious. Yet now you feel the need to have a more active religious life. I think you need to understand within yourself how and why this changed before you can start trying to help others understand.
You act like the whole process of me being religious wasn't me looking within. I don't care about making people understand. I think you missed my point.


Sorry, I guess I did. I got the impression that you were wondering how to deal with awkward situations.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:26 pm


vwytche
Salmenella
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vwytche
I think you may need to dig a little deeper below the surface on this. Start at the begining. How did you change? To what might you attribute the awakening of a spiritual interest?
Elaborate please.


Your original post said that you hadn't previously been very religious. Yet now you feel the need to have a more active religious life. I think you need to understand within yourself how and why this changed before you can start trying to help others understand.
You act like the whole process of me being religious wasn't me looking within. I don't care about making people understand. I think you missed my point.


Sorry, I guess I did. I got the impression that you were wondering how to deal with awkward situations.
I think she was just looking for similar experiences is all.

And for myself, I don't really have much to share. My family and friends all know about my beliefs and generally couldn't care less. In fact, a lot of my friends are pagans of one sort or another and most of the rest are either non-religious or reasonable enough to be fine with other faiths. I do have one friend who is a super sciency type, Masters in physics and such, and despite going to church every Sunday with his largely conservative Christian wife he get really annoyed when other people's religious activities interfere with social activities. As he put it, he "doesn't get the pagan thing". It was incredibly dismissive and insulting actually.

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Salmenella

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:39 pm


Exactly what Raven said, just if someone had any similar situations as I have.
All my friends are either Christian or agnostic or atheist. Mainly Christian or atheist..so you can just imagine lol.

Also seeing as my religion is orthopraxic..the whole spirituality side if it isn't really huge for me anyways so I don't feel a need to do some "spiritual searching deep within". I mean I believe in the deities that I worship, but it's not like I have some intimate relationship with them or anything.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:15 am


Salmenella
Exactly what Raven said, just if someone had any similar situations as I have.
All my friends are either Christian or agnostic or atheist. Mainly Christian or atheist..so you can just imagine lol.

Also seeing as my religion is orthopraxic..the whole spirituality side if it isn't really huge for me anyways so I don't feel a need to do some "spiritual searching deep within". I mean I believe in the deities that I worship, but it's not like I have some intimate relationship with them or anything.


My mistake.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:07 pm


Salmenella
I guess my thing is is because I've never had to explain my beliefs before. As a kid I was Christian, everyone knows what Christians believe in. Then I just wasn't anything and had no beliefs and didn't worry about the existence of Gods so I didn't have to explain that either. That's my main thing.
To be honest I don't really talk to any one in my family about my beliefs. They know I am a witch and that I hold a different belief in God than they do. Occasionally my mom and I will discuss things as she considers me her teacher, but that is about it. Hell I don't even know if my fiance' understands everything I believe in.

Sometimes its best to keep it that simple.

I've been told that I'm not a true Pagan because I believe Jesus Christ existed, and I believe he was the son of a God. I believe he is a wise and enlightened man who had an important lesson to teach humanity. I honor his birthday and his sacrifice (Christmas and Easter) for this reason. To them keeping him in my spiritual teachings at all goes against Paganism.

If I knew more about Buddha's teachings (ie having read them and pondered them) I'd honor his birthday as a holiday as well. Why? Because I believe that he has a message and that wise men like him deserve to be honored if only with a meditation and candle lighting in their honor.

I also believe that all deities exist. So I don't feel the need to really argue my views on deity most of the time. Its also why I feel that I could respectfully join in a ritual from basically any religion. I may not worship their Gods specifically, but that doesn't mean I can't respect them and I have to deny their existences. No. I believe they exist, I just don't worship and know them.

My highly evangelical family members have stopped pressuring me to join their Church. I told them that if they ask me to attend a service they are running, or visit for a special occasion I will out of respect for them, and to try and understand their views a bit more. It hasn't happened since I've become much more public about my posts supporting Paganism and witchcraft.

I think if you can find a simple way to explain it you will be better off. I find the more details I get into the more confusing it can be.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:28 pm


Salmenella
Exactly what Raven said, just if someone had any similar situations as I have.
I think every one has gone through the process of explaining the change in beliefs at least once in their lives. I've had to do some explaining a few times to my foster family. They put witchcraft with Satanism and devil worship. My ex-foster mother actually nearly s**t her pants when I told her I was studying several years ago. She doesn't get it any better now.
Salmenella

All my friends are either Christian or agnostic or atheist. Mainly Christian or atheist..so you can just imagine lol.
I have been lucky in that most of my friends have been some sort of Pagan. The friends I had that I went to church and youth group with growing up wouldn't understand, but I haven't had contact with any of them for years. The ones that have mattered close to me don't care about religion or practice. They love and care for me for who I am.

Salmenella
Also seeing as my religion is orthopraxic.
To me I think that would be the hardest thing to explain about a new path. So many people feel that religion is defined by beliefs and not the actions or practices. I think that may be one reason why so many people have a hard time accepting that BTW is defined by the practice and not the beliefs. I believe Hellenismos is another Pagan religion which is more Orthopraxic than Orthodoxic.
Salmenella
.the whole spirituality side if it isn't really huge for me anyways so I don't feel a need to do some "spiritual searching deep within".
Spirituality can also be about finding purpose and fulfillment. If you feel fulfilled and good about serving the Gods and that in its own means something for you, it is a spiritual practice. Spirituality does not have to be about deep connections with the deities. It can be simply about finding your own place in the universe.
Salmenella
I mean I believe in the deities that I worship, but it's not like I have some intimate relationship with them or anything.
I think that through time you might develop a relationship with them, if that is what they want. Who knows. There may be one specific deity who calls you to work for them more than others. You never know. I have found that if you give them attention deities will notice and let you know if your doing something they don't like, or if they want more from you,

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:39 pm


vwytche

Your original post said that you hadn't previously been very religious. Yet now you feel the need to have a more active religious life. I think you need to understand within yourself how and why this changed before you can start trying to help others understand.
I've asked myself this question several times before. I've felt the need to have a more active religious life. I'm just now starting to feel that I can get back into that possibility. For years I have been over medicated and not really able to feel and express my self spiritually as freely as I would have liked.

I've found that I need to find more inner peace and self acceptance. For me that means actively working harder on my spirituality and spiritual development. The last three weeks while my medications have been wearing off have been giving me several more revelations as to what I can do for myself to be more spiritually and religiously active.

I had lost the other side of my religious spirituality. Now the two are more united. I see more beauty in darkness and in light than I have before. I have felt a renewal. The fire of this summer for me is a Summer of rebirth and renewal.

Mysteries are falling into place and my roles are becoming more clear. What I need to learn and where I need to find those lessons is falling into place. I now have a much better idea of where the various bits and bobs from other traditions are fitting in together.

I have truly started to see who I really am, and it's where I wanted to be in High School at this time in my life.
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