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 Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:20 am
In Medias Res IV You can worship HaShem and still believe in other gods. That makes you a monotheist. Monolateralist, Media. In Medias Res IV He's the messiah of the gentiles
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:11 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis I don't mean to get picky here but if we're tackling this under the assumption that the bible is the inspired word of God then technically we all killed him by sinning. The Jews didn't kill him, the Pharisees played a direct role in his sentencing by bringing up the claims against him and throwing him at the feet of Rome, and Pilate would be responsible for sentencing him to death by means of crucifixion. If we aren't working under the aforementioned presupposition then that changes everything, especially since we don't really have any written documentation of the event (outside of the bible) soon after the fact. That leads into the whole, 'did Jesus exist in the first place' debate. He didn't die because we sinned. None of us were there when this happened. So you can't place the blame on the current generation or two generations ago. That's being intellectually dishonest. He violated the Jews and the Roman laws. Pilate tried to keep his hands clean and throw the execution of Jesus back on the Jews however, executing Jesus went against their laws. Thus Pilate had him executed by crucifixion which was a major form of execution in Rome. If the Jews were to have executed Jesus then he would have been stoned to death. There is some evidence that Jesus might have existed historically. Whether he was truly God or not is the question. Jews and Muslims alike believe he was merely a teacher. Whereas Christians believe he was some divine being. The real debate is, who is right and who is wrong? Based on what was known about time and space in the past, Albert Einstein theorized that all of of time exists. You could go look out at the grand canyon and you will see it as it is now because it is there now but so is the tiny stream/creek that began digging out it's path so many years ago, and so is what will become of it in the future. They are all there. Most if not all Christians hold onto the notion that God surpasses time, he is not bound by the rules of time and space. There is no intellectual dishonesty in what I said earlier it's just theology, or at least the theology found in the teachings of the Catholic Church and in most other denominations. I agree that there is plenty of historical evidence in favor of the existence of Jesus, much more so than many other historical figures we typically accept as having been on this earth. I don't think the debate comes down to who is right and who is wrong, it's a matter of faith and a matter of what you see based on the evidence that has been put before you and on which direction your personal bias leads you. The status of Jesus as a person or as just some sort of guiding figure is not something that science can work out for us. God may surpass time, however we mortals do not. Therefore, your statement is still intellectually dishonest. neutral He didn't say "we mortals" surpass time he said SOME BELIEVE GOD DOES his statement isn't "intellectually dishonest" when its a Theory can you prove the statement false? Because I'm sure no one on Earth could its just a theory not a fact. @ Idk who was arguing this point but it was a weird argument, If you believe in more than One God/Goddess then your a Polytheist whether or not you want to admit it is another question but its a fact. Someone was arguing the point if they Believe in God but also in like Zeus there monotheist, Its if your pagan that, that concept applies to you can not be considered Pagan and believe in more than one god.
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:51 pm
Nines19 In Medias Res IV You can worship HaShem and still believe in other gods. That makes you a monotheist. Monolateralist, Media. In Medias Res IV He's the messiah of the gentiles Whoops! My bad XD
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:54 pm
In Medias Res IV Nines19 In Medias Res IV You can worship HaShem and still believe in other gods. That makes you a monotheist. Monolateralist, Media. In Medias Res IV He's the messiah of the gentiles Whoops! My bad XD I only learned the term a couple months ago. Before then I called it "polytheism with monotheistic worship". Same idea, I guess.
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:57 pm
Nines19 In Medias Res IV Nines19 In Medias Res IV You can worship HaShem and still believe in other gods. That makes you a monotheist. Monolateralist, Media. In Medias Res IV He's the messiah of the gentiles Whoops! My bad XD I only learned the term a couple months ago. Before then I called it "polytheism with monotheistic worship". Same idea, I guess. It's not something that I would go out of my way to learn, it doesn't really affect my life XD I wonder who is going to be the first person to kvetch about me calling Jesus the messiah of the goyim?
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:09 pm
In Medias Res IV Nines19 In Medias Res IV Nines19 In Medias Res IV You can worship HaShem and still believe in other gods. That makes you a monotheist. Monolateralist, Media. In Medias Res IV He's the messiah of the gentiles Whoops! My bad XD I only learned the term a couple months ago. Before then I called it "polytheism with monotheistic worship". Same idea, I guess. It's not something that I would go out of my way to learn, it doesn't really affect my life XD I wonder who is going to be the first person to kvetch about me calling Jesus the messiah of the goyim? I'm going to guess that kvetch means b***h and goyim is another word for non-Jew.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:54 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra @-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Explain this to me. Why is Judaism not soft-polytheism, especially when you start describing God as the tree of Life within the Jewish Mystical tradition? Each of the 10 Sepheroiths are distinct aspects from each other but they are all still God. That sounds like soft-polytheism to me. Because the Jews believe in one God and only one God. The Jewish Mystical tradition or Kabbalah is something completely different. neutral Prove that the things you mentioned are something different and are not part of Judaism.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:53 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra @-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Explain this to me. Why is Judaism not soft-polytheism, especially when you start describing God as the tree of Life within the Jewish Mystical tradition? Each of the 10 Sepheroiths are distinct aspects from each other but they are all still God. That sounds like soft-polytheism to me. Because monoteistic Jews believe in one God and only one God. And monotheistic Christians believe in one God and only one God.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:23 pm
Nines19 -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra @-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Explain this to me. Why is Judaism not soft-polytheism, especially when you start describing God as the tree of Life within the Jewish Mystical tradition? Each of the 10 Sepheroiths are distinct aspects from each other but they are all still God. That sounds like soft-polytheism to me. Because monoteistic Jews believe in one God and only one God. And monotheistic Christians believe in one God and only one God. Thank you! 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:28 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Nines19 -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden rmcdra @-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Explain this to me. Why is Judaism not soft-polytheism, especially when you start describing God as the tree of Life within the Jewish Mystical tradition? Each of the 10 Sepheroiths are distinct aspects from each other but they are all still God. That sounds like soft-polytheism to me. Because monoteistic Jews believe in one God and only one God. And monotheistic Christians believe in one God and only one God. Thank you! 3nodding
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