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 Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:16 am
brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Captain_Shinzo piratemage12 I know. random. but important. So people who aren't green, GET green. Sigh... You know something? Animals don't fight about things like race and religion. they don't look at an animal of another species and hate them because they're not of their species, and they don't HAVE a religion to fight about. They don't go around killing their own kind like humans do, over the silly things we fight about. Let's all be like the animals, huh? I'm sick of all this fighting and hate. I think just because something seems impossible, like there being a God and a heaven, doesn't mean it is. Just because the human mind can't begin to contemplate something, like the vastness of the universe, doesn't mean that the universe has and end or doesn't. I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it. CAKE BATTER IS TASTY!!
Second, animals do fight over their kind ALL the time, just not over religion.
Have you ever seen a cat meet another cat?
Do they shake hands and hit the mall?
Besides, fighting and hate, as you confessed, is caused by religion?
So doesn't that tell you not to believe in religion? neutral
Lastly, I would inform you on evolution if you described Evolution.
If I recall, the theory your talking about, which you incorrectly described, is called The Big Bang.
But hey, why should you say you should not believe in something like dust particles colliding together?
As I recall you saying,
" Just because the mind can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is impossible."
In a way, it is true. But it gives us an idea to research it and probably see if it isn't true.
But no, I wont inform you on the theory of Evolution or the theory of the Big Bang.
Go research it, I'm not going to spend my time telling you what you should have researched before thinking it is impossible.
So go look it up because I'm not being Santa Claus right now.
Also, randomness ISN'T needed to get a point across. ._________.
-quotation technique-
"There are arguments for atheism, and they do not depend, and never did depend, upon science. They are arguable enough, as far as they go, upon a general survey of life; only it happens to be a superficial survey of life."
It seems you have a problem with the general arguments atheists use to debate for atheism, but as far as we know the only debate you've had on atheism is with a teenage angst-theist rebelling against "the man".
Sadly, you are wrong. There are other debates with other people about this issue. I've faced more angstheists than anyone that know of. Of course, I've seen more angstheists.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:02 am
Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Captain_Shinzo piratemage12 I know. random. but important. So people who aren't green, GET green. Sigh... You know something? Animals don't fight about things like race and religion. they don't look at an animal of another species and hate them because they're not of their species, and they don't HAVE a religion to fight about. They don't go around killing their own kind like humans do, over the silly things we fight about. Let's all be like the animals, huh? I'm sick of all this fighting and hate. I think just because something seems impossible, like there being a God and a heaven, doesn't mean it is. Just because the human mind can't begin to contemplate something, like the vastness of the universe, doesn't mean that the universe has and end or doesn't. I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it. CAKE BATTER IS TASTY!!
Second, animals do fight over their kind ALL the time, just not over religion.
Have you ever seen a cat meet another cat?
Do they shake hands and hit the mall?
Besides, fighting and hate, as you confessed, is caused by religion?
So doesn't that tell you not to believe in religion? neutral
Lastly, I would inform you on evolution if you described Evolution.
If I recall, the theory your talking about, which you incorrectly described, is called The Big Bang.
But hey, why should you say you should not believe in something like dust particles colliding together?
As I recall you saying,
" Just because the mind can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is impossible."
In a way, it is true. But it gives us an idea to research it and probably see if it isn't true.
But no, I wont inform you on the theory of Evolution or the theory of the Big Bang.
Go research it, I'm not going to spend my time telling you what you should have researched before thinking it is impossible.
So go look it up because I'm not being Santa Claus right now.
Also, randomness ISN'T needed to get a point across. ._________.
-quotation technique-
"There are arguments for atheism, and they do not depend, and never did depend, upon science. They are arguable enough, as far as they go, upon a general survey of life; only it happens to be a superficial survey of life."
It seems you have a problem with the general arguments atheists use to debate for atheism, but as far as we know the only debate you've had on atheism is with a teenage angst-theist rebelling against "the man".
Sadly, you are wrong. There are other debates with other people about this issue. I've faced more angstheists than anyone that know of. Of course, I've seen more angstheists.
I could say that the sky is blue because fairies painted it that color, which is obviously wrong, but that doesn't make the sky any less blue.
But I'm not sure what arguments you're arguing against. Most arguments for atheism that I've heard use logic, not science. Can you give an example?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:56 pm
brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Shinzo has been stumping ALOT of people today. XD
-quotation technique-
"There are arguments for atheism, and they do not depend, and never did depend, upon science. They are arguable enough, as far as they go, upon a general survey of life; only it happens to be a superficial survey of life."
It seems you have a problem with the general arguments atheists use to debate for atheism, but as far as we know the only debate you've had on atheism is with a teenage angst-theist rebelling against "the man".
Sadly, you are wrong. There are other debates with other people about this issue. I've faced more angstheists than anyone that know of. Of course, I've seen more angstheists.
I could say that the sky is blue because fairies painted it that color, which is obviously wrong, but that doesn't make the sky any less blue.
But I'm not sure what arguments you're arguing against. Most arguments for atheism that I've heard use logic, not science. Can you give an example?I think you're right that most don't use science to support atheism but I still can't even count the number of times I've heard atheists throw it out there (I think they're usually young and think it's their job to know everything about science, especially when it comes to evolution and the the big bang theory). Theists are just as bad and probably worse in trying to use science to fit there beliefs. I SAY: burning_eyes Just let it be, leave science alone, there's nothing noble about trying to twist it into fitting in perfectly with your own world paradigm. Back to the atheists who think being an atheist automatically makes them a scientist: stressed It doesn't. On a side note I also can't count the number of times a Christian has asked an atheist to explain the beginning of life (not evolution) and the creation of the universe. Again, they're atheists...that means they do not believe in any deity(ies), nothing more. So questions of that matter should be taken to a biological scientist, or an astrophysicist or whoever studies the appropriate field. Okay, I think I'm done now. Rant was directed at no one in particular.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:29 pm
Semiremis brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Shinzo has been stumping ALOT of people today. XD
-quotation technique-
"There are arguments for atheism, and they do not depend, and never did depend, upon science. They are arguable enough, as far as they go, upon a general survey of life; only it happens to be a superficial survey of life."
It seems you have a problem with the general arguments atheists use to debate for atheism, but as far as we know the only debate you've had on atheism is with a teenage angst-theist rebelling against "the man".
Sadly, you are wrong. There are other debates with other people about this issue. I've faced more angstheists than anyone that know of. Of course, I've seen more angstheists.
I could say that the sky is blue because fairies painted it that color, which is obviously wrong, but that doesn't make the sky any less blue.
But I'm not sure what arguments you're arguing against. Most arguments for atheism that I've heard use logic, not science. Can you give an example?I think you're right that most don't use science to support atheism but I still can't even count the number of times I've heard atheists throw it out there (I think they're usually young and think it's their job to know everything about science, especially when it comes to evolution and the the big bang theory). Theists are just as bad and probably worse in trying to use science to fit there beliefs. I SAY: burning_eyes Just let it be, leave science alone, there's nothing noble about trying to twist it into fitting in perfectly with your own world paradigm. Back to the atheists who think being an atheist automatically makes them a scientist: stressed It doesn't. On a side note I also can't count the number of times a Christian has asked an atheist to explain the beginning of life (not evolution) and the creation of the universe. Again, they're atheists...that means they do not believe in any deity(ies), nothing more. So questions of that matter should be taken to a biological scientist, or an astrophysicist or whoever studies the appropriate field. Okay, I think I'm done now. Rant was directed at no one in particular.
I agree that Atheism should not be treated as science but this kind of isn't the case at the moment...
The case was, if you believe in Science and what you believe is actually incorrect, like mixing the Big Bang theory with Evolution, than where is the problem at hand?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:53 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo But the problem is, as you have said, you half understand a world that could possibly not exist at all. The information you read, what you have heard, it could all just be easily cast aside and become rubbish. You want me to go mad again, don't you? JK But really, meditating on that isn't gonna do me any good, so I won't. It's one of the only facts I discard, because I just don't have anything to do with it. And by the way it's not just what I've read and heard that could be discarded...it's EVERYTHING. Reality is fragile. That's the problem I have, not whether I trust my sources. I do trust my sources because they make better arguments then most atheists, and I've known some of them my entire life. Why would I trust an someone in this guild who's telling me to doubt the testimonies of people close to me, and other people who's testimonies match up to theirs, rather then someone like my mom. My mom's had some visions and awesome revelations over the years, and it makes a lot more sense to believe that then to go with the doubt storytellers philosophy you're presenting.
You have told me you do not know enough of scientific laws and theories to believe in Atheism.
If this is the case, then I find that your a Christian not from faith, but the ignorance of not wanting to live without God.
It's not that you WANT to believe in God, your just scared of what a life is without this being. Or atleast, that is what you have told me.
I can't argue with logic over spiritual logic because it doesn't add up. It's like fact vs opinion which may be fact.
I will say this, is it that Atheists have failed to convert you because God seems logical or is the thought of God more comforting than actual logic?I'm not quite sure what you mean...? Where? What exactly did I say that, because whatever it was, I didn't mean it like that. I certainly wouldn't have put it like that, so I'm not gonna argue for something I probably never said. No, I really believe it. I think you have read me completely wrong. biggrin No I want to believe in God. I really don't see where you're getting your conclusions. I need Him too though, which might be what's throwing you off. It's theology, and if you wanna debate with me then you have to deal with some spiritual logic. If you want to debate facts, go into a political or economic debate, or debate with another atheist playing the devil's advocate. Otherwise, just tell me you don't find the point relevent, or drop it when it bugs you. I'll let it go, unless it comes up again. That almost makes it sound like atheism is a religion. I'm a Christian both for logic AND for comfort, and mostly because I really love God, I really want to please Him, I like that He has things handled, I'm glad to have a guide in the form of a Bible, I've seen how much fuller a life with Him verses without Him is, the people I respect and love most follow Him, etc. I could come up with a thousand reasons why it's better to be a Christian then an atheist, though I doubt any atheist would be foolish enough to try and 'convert' me. For one thing it's really stupid to convert someone from belief when the belief clearly makes them happier then non-belief, and for another if I thought they were, then I'd start trying to convert them to Christianity.
As for the last paragraph, what do you mean? I was asking WHY you believed in the idea of God, not the belief over Atheism.
You asked the idea of believing in a skewed reality. If this is the case, then where does the line of skew end? I'm just saying, do you trust God or what he promises?
As for that last part...converting? Come on, I mean, if it comes to it, yeah, but don't just do it when someone else has a religion. I mean, just because I have had personal experience. Do you know how many times I have to hear how amazing God is when trying to see a movie?
How I am criticized for not going to the praise meetings at school?
It's harsh when people want to convert. Just don't overdo it.Okay then...^^ I trust God, not my mental state, and I've seen more evidence for Him rather then against Him. I don't usually (out of shyness). But you said: Quote: is it that Atheists have failed to convert you which implied you thought atheists (Are you supposed to capitalize belief systems?) are supposed to convert others, and me in particular. Well if anyone did that to me, naturally I'd start trying to do the same back. It's a great invitation to do so.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:40 am
Semiremis brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV brainnsoup Emperor Angelo XXV Captain_Shinzo Shinzo has been stumping ALOT of people today. XD
-quotation technique-
"There are arguments for atheism, and they do not depend, and never did depend, upon science. They are arguable enough, as far as they go, upon a general survey of life; only it happens to be a superficial survey of life."
It seems you have a problem with the general arguments atheists use to debate for atheism, but as far as we know the only debate you've had on atheism is with a teenage angst-theist rebelling against "the man".
Sadly, you are wrong. There are other debates with other people about this issue. I've faced more angstheists than anyone that know of. Of course, I've seen more angstheists.
I could say that the sky is blue because fairies painted it that color, which is obviously wrong, but that doesn't make the sky any less blue.
But I'm not sure what arguments you're arguing against. Most arguments for atheism that I've heard use logic, not science. Can you give an example?I think you're right that most don't use science to support atheism but I still can't even count the number of times I've heard atheists throw it out there (I think they're usually young and think it's their job to know everything about science, especially when it comes to evolution and the the big bang theory). Theists are just as bad and probably worse in trying to use science to fit there beliefs. I SAY: burning_eyes Just let it be, leave science alone, there's nothing noble about trying to twist it into fitting in perfectly with your own world paradigm. Back to the atheists who think being an atheist automatically makes them a scientist: stressed It doesn't. On a side note I also can't count the number of times a Christian has asked an atheist to explain the beginning of life (not evolution) and the creation of the universe. Again, they're atheists...that means they do not believe in any deity(ies), nothing more. So questions of that matter should be taken to a biological scientist, or an astrophysicist or whoever studies the appropriate field. Okay, I think I'm done now. Rant was directed at no one in particular.
I've never heard a solid argument for either side using science. They always seem to be twisting the evidence to force a conclusion that fits in to their belief.
In any case, I don't get science. Er... Practical stuff anyway. I rocked physics in high school.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:53 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx You want me to go mad again, don't you? JK But really, meditating on that isn't gonna do me any good, so I won't. It's one of the only facts I discard, because I just don't have anything to do with it. And by the way it's not just what I've read and heard that could be discarded...it's EVERYTHING. Reality is fragile. That's the problem I have, not whether I trust my sources. I do trust my sources because they make better arguments then most atheists, and I've known some of them my entire life. Why would I trust an someone in this guild who's telling me to doubt the testimonies of people close to me, and other people who's testimonies match up to theirs, rather then someone like my mom. My mom's had some visions and awesome revelations over the years, and it makes a lot more sense to believe that then to go with the doubt storytellers philosophy you're presenting.
You have told me you do not know enough of scientific laws and theories to believe in Atheism.
If this is the case, then I find that your a Christian not from faith, but the ignorance of not wanting to live without God.
It's not that you WANT to believe in God, your just scared of what a life is without this being. Or atleast, that is what you have told me.
I can't argue with logic over spiritual logic because it doesn't add up. It's like fact vs opinion which may be fact.
I will say this, is it that Atheists have failed to convert you because God seems logical or is the thought of God more comforting than actual logic?I'm not quite sure what you mean...? Where? What exactly did I say that, because whatever it was, I didn't mean it like that. I certainly wouldn't have put it like that, so I'm not gonna argue for something I probably never said. No, I really believe it. I think you have read me completely wrong. biggrin No I want to believe in God. I really don't see where you're getting your conclusions. I need Him too though, which might be what's throwing you off. It's theology, and if you wanna debate with me then you have to deal with some spiritual logic. If you want to debate facts, go into a political or economic debate, or debate with another atheist playing the devil's advocate. Otherwise, just tell me you don't find the point relevent, or drop it when it bugs you. I'll let it go, unless it comes up again. That almost makes it sound like atheism is a religion. I'm a Christian both for logic AND for comfort, and mostly because I really love God, I really want to please Him, I like that He has things handled, I'm glad to have a guide in the form of a Bible, I've seen how much fuller a life with Him verses without Him is, the people I respect and love most follow Him, etc. I could come up with a thousand reasons why it's better to be a Christian then an atheist, though I doubt any atheist would be foolish enough to try and 'convert' me. For one thing it's really stupid to convert someone from belief when the belief clearly makes them happier then non-belief, and for another if I thought they were, then I'd start trying to convert them to Christianity.
As for the last paragraph, what do you mean? I was asking WHY you believed in the idea of God, not the belief over Atheism.
You asked the idea of believing in a skewed reality. If this is the case, then where does the line of skew end? I'm just saying, do you trust God or what he promises?
As for that last part...converting? Come on, I mean, if it comes to it, yeah, but don't just do it when someone else has a religion. I mean, just because I have had personal experience. Do you know how many times I have to hear how amazing God is when trying to see a movie?
How I am criticized for not going to the praise meetings at school?
It's harsh when people want to convert. Just don't overdo it.Okay then...^^ I trust God, not my mental state, and I've seen more evidence for Him rather then against Him. I don't usually (out of shyness). But you said: Quote: is it that Atheists have failed to convert you which implied you thought atheists (Are you supposed to capitalize belief systems?) are supposed to convert others, and me in particular. Well if anyone did that to me, naturally I'd start trying to do the same back. It's a great invitation to do so.
" YO! Don't believe in God! "
You said you had Atheist friends who have failed to share their ideas with you, which is why I'm speaking about this.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:55 am
Alright, so this is a personal peve of mine and it hit me full force without ever leaving the front page... having thoroughly studied all of the Catholic religions, which includes split off religions like Christianity and the like (yes actually studied, as in through reading books, citing sources and etc. not 'sitting in church or skimming the bible') I would like to point out, that in both your good books and teachings, it is almost always said that your god will judge as at the pearly/golden/diamond coated or whatever gates, and it is there that we must accept him to gain entry.
Using my views as a scientist (not atheist, and NOT scientologist) at this point in time, I could logically agree that god is real, since I would be standing in his presence. Thus, I repent to god himself and accept him, gaining entry to heaven despite the scorn of the believers.
No matter how you live you life, as long as you don't commit a mortal sin, you can gain entry. And that is straight from the teachings.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:17 am
Well, I'm coming into this just now. There goes the plain discussion part of this whole fiasco.
but in my saying, why do we even argue about who goes where? None of us know at all, so just because you do or don't have a faith does not mean you know what will happen to you or someone else when you die.
To the atheists, if we do not believe in any places we go to that any religion states, where do we really go? Some say we convert to nature, reincarnate, or just become nothingness. Being lazy, uninvolved, immoral, a Nazi, or any type of Atheist stereotype is not based on the view of life that they have. It's of the person. Just because you are an Atheist, you don't automatically become all of those. Look at Bruce Lee. Movie star, and professional in martial arts. He's also a very philosophical man. He's atheist, but he is very active and involved. He also isn't German, nor does he believe in perfection through a set standard. So he isn't a Nazi either. The view of life doesn't make a person. The person themselves shape who they truly are and can be.
To Christians, how do you know that the good go to Heaven? The bad go to Hell? What if there are some who never had the chance to know of God's works? What about your statement of free will? If it were free will, then we shouldn't have a Heaven or Hell. I see that the free will involves choice in life, but if you do believe in your free will in your book, don't force other people to become Christian. You're breaking your own rule of free will, whether they are of your religion or not. Sin also. if you don't sin, then you gain entry, but if you do sin, you can repent. That's contradicting your ways. You can sin, but as long as you repent then you can be forgiven. Sure, accidents are accidents, but what if they keep committing that accident time and time again? It being literally an accident and not a purpose stated as an accident.
Truthfully enough, none of us know how we really are. Giving someone a name say a prep, goth, or whatever won't change who they are That's just stereotyping because of their personality. Giving someone a religious view with set properties such as an Atheist being lazy or a Christian being ignorant won't change things either. You're just making yourselves less mature than you say you truly are by going back to handing out stereotype names like pamphlets.
In the end, I have this one saying about every religion, no matter who you are, or what you believe. You may think that your way is right, but don't be so definite. You haven't experienced what can really happen. Heaven or Hell, Nirvana, reincarnation, or what may your view gesture upon you. "Only the dead know where the dead go." So until you die, don't try to boast your religion and bring others into shame or force others into your world. Keep your faith into your own life and let others have their free will of what they wish to believe.
Sorry if I offend anyone, or anything like that.
Also, if I said something wrong, please correct me. Learning is better than some of you people think. Whether it be from research, or mistakes.
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:42 pm
Hmmm..... Well, I just happened to read this forum and I have to say that it seems to be a big debat about atheists and theists. I see some valid points on both sides, though I don't 100% agree with either side. Thank goodness I'm AGNOSTIC. blaugh
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:38 pm
Well I'm just entering this convo right now and I'm going to keep my statement short, sweet, and simple;
Atheists are just people who do not believe in deities. We really don't like (for a lack of better words) Christaholics to try and "help" us with their faith. We never asked for their insightful statements and some of us will defeat and disgust them with our views. Most of us respect all faiths and views of life, but if attacked, most of us are ready and not afraid to fight back.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:58 pm
Hero of Wisdom To Christians, how do you know that the good go to Heaven? The bad go to Hell? What if there are some who never had the chance to know of God's works? What about your statement of free will? If it were free will, then we shouldn't have a Heaven or Hell. I see that the free will involves choice in life, but if you do believe in your free will in your book, don't force other people to become Christian. You're breaking your own rule of free will, whether they are of your religion or not. Sin also. if you don't sin, then you gain entry, but if you do sin, you can repent. That's contradicting your ways. You can sin, but as long as you repent then you can be forgiven. Sure, accidents are accidents, but what if they keep committing that accident time and time again? It being literally an accident and not a purpose stated as an accident. In the end, I have this one saying about every religion, no matter who you are, or what you believe. You may think that your way is right, but don't be so definite. You haven't experienced what can really happen. Heaven or Hell, Nirvana, reincarnation, or what may your view gesture upon you. "Only the dead know where the dead go." So until you die, don't try to boast your religion and bring others into shame or force others into your world. Keep your faith into your own life and let others have their free will of what they wish to believe. Sorry if I offend anyone, or anything like that. Also, if I said something wrong, please correct me. Learning is better than some of you people think. Whether it be from research, or mistakes. We trust God. If He created good and evil, He can judge who is and who isn't. Like babies? Well babies (according to the belief I hold) go to be with the Lord. I'm not sure what happens to those who don't get a chance to know the truth, except that I keep reading that seem to point to people having a chance in the afterlife too-it just is easiest to repent and turn to God now. The Great Divorce is one of the books that makes me think it might be like that, and Return From Tomorrow ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_from_Tomorrow ) is the other. And free will just means people get a choice, it doesn't mean there aren't consequences. Part of the reason people who don't choose God go to Hell is because good doesn't exist where God doesn't have an influence. By choosing not to have God in ther're life, they're choosing not to have God in the afterlife. And if anyone forces someone else to convert it is wrong, but it's not wrong to pray that they will, or to tell them about Jesus in a polite way, is it? But people have died and seen Heaven, and other people have amazingly real revelations God. Why shouldn't they witness? And a lot of other people love God and the work He does in their lives. Wouldn't it be wrong not to try to share a good thing? You didn't. ^^ And you can't really be wrong here, I think. At least, not in a way anyone else can prove you are wrong.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:05 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Part of the reason people who don't choose God go to Hell is because good doesn't exist where God doesn't have an influence. By choosing not to have God in ther're life, they're choosing not to have God in the afterlife. This implies that the atheist can do no good. If God is everywhere where there is goodness then God would be influencing us to do good whether we know it or not which means we do have a chance to get into heaven if we do do good on Earth. That kind of contradicts what the Bible says though doesn't it? Quote: But people have died and seen Heaven, and other people have amazingly real revelations God. People from all religions have said they see their god or their religions idea of heaven or hell when they die. Do you just discount these accounts though because they're of a different religion? Quote: Why shouldn't they witness? And a lot of other people love God and the work He does in their lives. Wouldn't it be wrong not to try to share a good thing? Good=/= honest. I would love there to be a God and to go to heaven but I just don't think it's real. So where the atheist will admit "I don't know" to questions we don't 100% know like the origin of the universe, what happens after we die, etc, the religious person will make something up. One sounds great but the other is more honest.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:30 pm
In Medias Res IV No, but to most Christians, you're going to Hell... no matter how good of a person you are. Not true. Not "most of" them. Only the ones that are exposed in the media and are too loud for their own good.
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