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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:18 pm


Ok Then... in the case of my students, others made them break contact with me or I chose to break contact with them. The breaking of the contact was sudden and unexpected on my part.

A persons girlfriend having them block me because I'm female and he is talkign to me too much. I can't fully remember everything since this was a year ago or their about.

The other person stopped talking to everyone they knew. I talked to their girl friend and she hadn't talked to them either.

I talked to them briefly maybe a month or so latter and they said they had to live with their grand parents and they had taken away phone and computer. As is their was a three hour time gap between us so converse was a bit difficult. They lived in cali/arizona. I was teaching them for about a year when they disappeared suddenly. I didn't trust them to get too far in teaching them.

I mostly was teaching senses and trying to break them of their delusions. I taught them some semi dangerous information concerning spirit languages.

Pretty much I taught them something which could de-structure things through sound and also restructure things through sound. This was one of the last things I taught them and I had received a lot of people getting mad at me for teaching this. At the time I hadn't really expected to loose contact with them. I had been teaching them how to do alot of other things but it was slow going. Their past selves weren't very involved in learning so they didn't have much previous knowledge to draw from when I introduced them to him. He did learn that his past self is a bit psychotic and to not listen to that part of himself.

So... in the first month or so I fixed his sight. I taught him a lot of other things. I was teaching him about what is possible how difficult a lot of things can be. I showed him to a lot of other places in the realms. I taught him how things could possibly be done. I taught him basic, shielding attacks healing. He was starting to edge on how to make spell structures and thus showed him how to say words that created this structure for him through the use of sound. Pretty much the energy of the words formed the proper structure needed for spell work.
I only really taught him three words. I was working with him on them and trying to get him to copy the energy structures. It was a basic structure and its bad to have a crutch so I was teaching him how to make them without the use of sound. How to properly pronounce the words... etc.
This was just my last project. The last time I was talking to him he was killing flies in his bedroom using one of the words. I didn't teach him this till like months after I met him etc.
I got yelled at by soo many people for mentioning it... I didn't think it was a big deal till after I mentioned it to someone. Pretty much teaching someone something that could be used for killing... yeah I got bitched at alot for that. I was sure that I had my selves monitering him though. I knew him very well.
I did take a while to start teaching him spell work. Spell structures etc. I mean, there was a lot that I taught him in this period of time. Mostly through show and tell.
For most of the time I knew him I was teaching him how to better his senses, fine tuning them. This took a lot of effort because of his past selves. He didn't realize how heavily affected senses can be by desires. How desire and want can skew perception or create false perceptions or mock perceptions that are your creation rather then outside stimuli.
I mean without senses how am I supposed to teach a person anything. They can't perceive properly what I'm doing. I can teach channeling and feeling energy but thats kind of basic. I mean I can't teach spell structures and the nature of physicality and other things without a person who has really well formed senses. I actually haven't found a student who was willing or able to learn anything past servitors and a bit about creating portals. I have been able to teach a bit of theory concerning other subjects but never really got to do a one on one where they really got everything Down.

This was the bulk of my teaching. It was a lot of fun... then he just disappeared. This brings some apprehension just because of the situation. The lack of reconnecting to him brings even more apprehension. I don't know his currant situation and I've stopped seeing him online. He lost his gaia account and is never on yahoo messenger. I know he didn't have his phone since it was taken or lost. I can't remember.

The person I stopped teaching was because they lied to me, repeatedly. He still tried to keep in contact with me afterwards. I'd rather not go into the details. I taught them a lot of things. I did teach them a bit more spell work then the other person. They knew a bit more to start with. I fixed his sight. It wasn't bad to begin with I just tweaked it a bit so he could perceive more detail etc. for this person it truly doesn't matter what I taught them. What they lied to me about had no direct relation to energy work. It was about something completely unrelated. I refused to talk to them for a while.

When I finally did talk to them they'd joined a cult. Last time I talked to him after him begging me to forgive him, he lied to me again tried to use me, and knowing I had a boyfriend tried to black mail me with his death for a sexual favor. I still am in contact with him if relectantly because he apologized. Like I said I rather wouldn't go in detail. Suffice it to say they ******** their life up royally became completely psychotic for a while. Instable delusional. I think it has to do with him getting engaged getting a chick pregnant the baby dying and his girl friend leaving him. Its a long ******** up tale.

The third person of note, I showed them a lot of places in the realms. I introduced them to their other selves and other beings that I knew to be trust worthy. I gave them copious amounts of reading about how to create servitors and other things which they asked about. They didn't finish the reading. Its like they had no will to learn. They stopped asking me for information. Psyche suggested it might have been because of the ease in which they learned things to start out with. He never put forth any effort to really become proficient. It started to feel as if they learned things just to be able to say that they knew how to do things. I only taught him for a month. I am glad he at least learned to make servitors and shields. That was good. I don't think he learned to do much else... I don't know what he's learned since then from lack of contact.

They got involved with spirits of questionable origin. I learned a bit about the spirits teacher. He started a cult in worship of this spirit.
This seemed a bit odd... but I don't know much about it from lack of contact.

The sight I built for them, they never maintained. I believe the spirits they were around tampered with their sight. I got upset last time i talked to them, this was after their girlfriend blocked me, because of their sight being completely screwed up after only a couple months.(I think it was 2, when I first took them on as an "apprentice" the first day I taught them how to perceive things etc.)

I make it so, because things aren't like he wants them to be, alters his sight/ability to perceive and translate energy into images.
He completely failed the color test. I don't know the currant state of his perception but I doubt its very good. But I really don't know. He stopped talking to me. He still talks to psyche. She told him to ask me about something as I know more then her about it but he didn't.

Just the lack of sight and well, his lack of desire to learn was a bit uninspiring. I actually denounced him as my student for this fact. It just started to feel like I gave him things which he squandered and I didn't actually teach him anything. I provided him with a way to learn that he decided not to use and not to maintain.
I think, perhaps my denouncing him as an apprentice just because he showed no desire to learn may have affected his desire to talk to me. I tried to square everything away with him, tried to explain how it wasn't like he was an actual apprentice or student but more just someone I taught.

It just was disappointing...
Since he never had any sort of sight before I guess that does make another person in existence who has sight a significant change.
I guess I did affect him in some ways, as what magic he does know I taught him. Same with all my students... They wouldn't have sight without me. Or they would have sight which really sucked and they couldn't make out very many details.

But I mean to teach a person how to see in the realms and then to have them loose that ability is saddening. Its not like that was all I taught.
I guess I still made a difference.

I made it a lot easier for them to see spirits. I provided a quick fix... that they lost, but maybe they have some better idea of whats possible.

Maybe they won't loose the knowledge that... this things are possible. That this does exist. What they turn to with their knowledge doesn't matter as much I guess.

As one person said... we would like to think our students will do great things with what we teach them.

I would like to think my students did something... accomplished something. It saddens me to think... about this. What are they using what I taught them for?
Who am I to judge... but I really do wish I knew. Its just that fear that it isn't good from what little I now of the situation, born from my lack of knowledge.

But then I have problems letting go of attachments. I'll probably still wonder about them years from now with the same emotions I have now. I care about someone, that caring lasts forever. I can't escape it heh
It sucks at times... love that just won't die
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:39 pm


Sinesthera
Ok Then... in the case of my students, others made them break contact with me or I chose to break contact with them. The breaking of the contact was sudden and unexpected on my part.

A persons girlfriend having them block me because I'm female and he is talkign to me too much. I can't fully remember everything since this was a year ago or their about.

The other person stopped talking to everyone they knew. I talked to their girl friend and she hadn't talked to them either.

I talked to them briefly maybe a month or so latter and they said they had to live with their grand parents and they had taken away phone and computer. As is their was a three hour time gap between us so converse was a bit difficult. They lived in cali/arizona. I was teaching them for about a year when they disappeared suddenly. I didn't trust them to get too far in teaching them.

I mostly was teaching senses and trying to break them of their delusions. I taught them some semi dangerous information concerning spirit languages.

Pretty much I taught them something which could de-structure things through sound and also restructure things through sound. This was one of the last things I taught them and I had received a lot of people getting mad at me for teaching this. At the time I hadn't really expected to loose contact with them. I had been teaching them how to do alot of other things but it was slow going. Their past selves weren't very involved in learning so they didn't have much previous knowledge to draw from when I introduced them to him. He did learn that his past self is a bit psychotic and to not listen to that part of himself.

So... in the first month or so I fixed his sight. I taught him a lot of other things. I was teaching him about what is possible how difficult a lot of things can be. I showed him to a lot of other places in the realms. I taught him how things could possibly be done. I taught him basic, shielding attacks healing. He was starting to edge on how to make spell structures and thus showed him how to say words that created this structure for him through the use of sound. Pretty much the energy of the words formed the proper structure needed for spell work.
I only really taught him three words. I was working with him on them and trying to get him to copy the energy structures. It was a basic structure and its bad to have a crutch so I was teaching him how to make them without the use of sound. How to properly pronounce the words... etc.
This was just my last project. The last time I was talking to him he was killing flies in his bedroom using one of the words. I didn't teach him this till like months after I met him etc.
I got yelled at by soo many people for mentioning it... I didn't think it was a big deal till after I mentioned it to someone. Pretty much teaching someone something that could be used for killing... yeah I got bitched at alot for that. I was sure that I had my selves monitering him though. I knew him very well.
I did take a while to start teaching him spell work. Spell structures etc. I mean, there was a lot that I taught him in this period of time. Mostly through show and tell.
For most of the time I knew him I was teaching him how to better his senses, fine tuning them. This took a lot of effort because of his past selves. He didn't realize how heavily affected senses can be by desires. How desire and want can skew perception or create false perceptions or mock perceptions that are your creation rather then outside stimuli.
I mean without senses how am I supposed to teach a person anything. They can't perceive properly what I'm doing. I can teach channeling and feeling energy but thats kind of basic. I mean I can't teach spell structures and the nature of physicality and other things without a person who has really well formed senses. I actually haven't found a student who was willing or able to learn anything past servitors and a bit about creating portals. I have been able to teach a bit of theory concerning other subjects but never really got to do a one on one where they really got everything Down.

This was the bulk of my teaching. It was a lot of fun... then he just disappeared. This brings some apprehension just because of the situation. The lack of reconnecting to him brings even more apprehension. I don't know his currant situation and I've stopped seeing him online. He lost his gaia account and is never on yahoo messenger. I know he didn't have his phone since it was taken or lost. I can't remember.

The person I stopped teaching was because they lied to me, repeatedly. He still tried to keep in contact with me afterwards. I'd rather not go into the details. I taught them a lot of things. I did teach them a bit more spell work then the other person. They knew a bit more to start with. I fixed his sight. It wasn't bad to begin with I just tweaked it a bit so he could perceive more detail etc. for this person it truly doesn't matter what I taught them. What they lied to me about had no direct relation to energy work. It was about something completely unrelated. I refused to talk to them for a while.

When I finally did talk to them they'd joined a cult. Last time I talked to him after him begging me to forgive him, he lied to me again tried to use me, and knowing I had a boyfriend tried to black mail me with his death for a sexual favor. I still am in contact with him if relectantly because he apologized. Like I said I rather wouldn't go in detail. Suffice it to say they ******** their life up royally became completely psychotic for a while. Instable delusional. I think it has to do with him getting engaged getting a chick pregnant the baby dying and his girl friend leaving him. Its a long ******** up tale.

The third person of note, I showed them a lot of places in the realms. I introduced them to their other selves and other beings that I knew to be trust worthy. I gave them copious amounts of reading about how to create servitors and other things which they asked about. They didn't finish the reading. Its like they had no will to learn. They stopped asking me for information. Psyche suggested it might have been because of the ease in which they learned things to start out with. He never put forth any effort to really become proficient. It started to feel as if they learned things just to be able to say that they knew how to do things. I only taught him for a month. I am glad he at least learned to make servitors and shields. That was good. I don't think he learned to do much else... I don't know what he's learned since then from lack of contact.

They got involved with spirits of questionable origin. I learned a bit about the spirits teacher. He started a cult in worship of this spirit.
This seemed a bit odd... but I don't know much about it from lack of contact.

The sight I built for them, they never maintained. I believe the spirits they were around tampered with their sight. I got upset last time i talked to them, this was after their girlfriend blocked me, because of their sight being completely screwed up after only a couple months.(I think it was 2, when I first took them on as an "apprentice" the first day I taught them how to perceive things etc.)

I make it so, because things aren't like he wants them to be, alters his sight/ability to perceive and translate energy into images.
He completely failed the color test. I don't know the currant state of his perception but I doubt its very good. But I really don't know. He stopped talking to me. He still talks to psyche. She told him to ask me about something as I know more then her about it but he didn't.

Just the lack of sight and well, his lack of desire to learn was a bit uninspiring. I actually denounced him as my student for this fact. It just started to feel like I gave him things which he squandered and I didn't actually teach him anything. I provided him with a way to learn that he decided not to use and not to maintain.
I think, perhaps my denouncing him as an apprentice just because he showed no desire to learn may have affected his desire to talk to me. I tried to square everything away with him, tried to explain how it wasn't like he was an actual apprentice or student but more just someone I taught.

It just was disappointing...
Since he never had any sort of sight before I guess that does make another person in existence who has sight a significant change.
I guess I did affect him in some ways, as what magic he does know I taught him. Same with all my students... They wouldn't have sight without me. Or they would have sight which really sucked and they couldn't make out very many details.

But I mean to teach a person how to see in the realms and then to have them loose that ability is saddening. Its not like that was all I taught.
I guess I still made a difference.

I made it a lot easier for them to see spirits. I provided a quick fix... that they lost, but maybe they have some better idea of whats possible.

Maybe they won't loose the knowledge that... this things are possible. That this does exist. What they turn to with their knowledge doesn't matter as much I guess.

As one person said... we would like to think our students will do great things with what we teach them.

I would like to think my students did something... accomplished something. It saddens me to think... about this. What are they using what I taught them for?
Who am I to judge... but I really do wish I knew. Its just that fear that it isn't good from what little I now of the situation, born from my lack of knowledge.

But then I have problems letting go of attachments. I'll probably still wonder about them years from now with the same emotions I have now. I care about someone, that caring lasts forever. I can't escape it heh
It sucks at times... love that just won't die

Be happy with your decisions, because you chose them.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:39 pm


I know... I am pretty happy. But uneasy and having a trouble letting go. I wouldn't let anything like this depress me.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:07 pm


Wow... i know what you can go through. its happened to me. A student just went really bad and was a bit depressed and suicidal... and she just lost intrest.
sometimes they need a break and then when you come back to them they'll be more willing.. like one of my recently returned students. I just let her practice for a week or two and then my lossons continue but she can come to me when she has questions. now I'm teaching her again. sometimes they lose interest so i create some fun activities every once in a while.
theres more to it but thats basicly it 3nodding
I would still help them out no matter what though. Its just how my personality is... even if they believe they're somethign they aren't..

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:51 am


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Wow... i know what you can go through. its happened to me. A student just went really bad and was a bit depressed and suicidal... and she just lost intrest.
sometimes they need a break and then when you come back to them they'll be more willing.. like one of my recently returned students. I just let her practice for a week or two and then my lossons continue but she can come to me when she has questions. now I'm teaching her again. sometimes they lose interest so i create some fun activities every once in a while.
theres more to it but thats basicly it 3nodding
I would still help them out no matter what though. Its just how my personality is... even if they believe they're somethign they aren't..


That's a top-notch attitude to take, I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:13 pm


Momo_Hitoshi
Wow... i know what you can go through. its happened to me. A student just went really bad and was a bit depressed and suicidal... and she just lost intrest.
sometimes they need a break and then when you come back to them they'll be more willing.. like one of my recently returned students. I just let her practice for a week or two and then my lossons continue but she can come to me when she has questions. now I'm teaching her again. sometimes they lose interest so i create some fun activities every once in a while.
theres more to it but thats basicly it 3nodding
I would still help them out no matter what though. Its just how my personality is... even if they believe they're somethign they aren't..

Well I haven't talked to my last student... In over--- 8 months

I was actually more concerned about he angelic who I haven't talked to in over a year or there abouts. I am worried about their mental state and have no way to get in contact with them.

If he is delusional and went back to being an angelic he is liable to become a mass murderer So I Am concerned
If it wasn't for the fact that they Might become a mass murderer I wouldn't care so much that they were delusional.

I would still think about it and be concerned which is what inspired this thing anyways. I was thinking about it and was concerned.
I can't help as I have no contact. I still helped and its not like I didn't create little activities. I did... mostly all I did was ******** around...
I used to tickle people and like synthesize the feeling of being high without any of the side affects.

not to mention all the other s**t I did just for the hell of it. I miss them though... and I'm worried. Thats all...

I know the angelic might turn suicidal. But then at least he'd only be harming himself. I don't think thats as bad.

But I mean if they are dlusional... don't you feel the least bit concerned for their mental state. I mean a person is lying to themselves. Weakening themselves.

I saw these people as my friends and I wouldn't want my friends to be doing that much less people I taught. Of course they have to figure s**t out for themselves. Aren't you concerned? Wouldn't you feel some what responsble for teaching a delusional person how to possibly kill people...

This is like worst case scenario for me though...
I'm not thinking clearly right now...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:33 pm


sowwie i wasn't saying that you didn't care at all. ofcouse i would care if that same situation happened to me... i personally wouldn't want anything to do with energy/magick at all. I give you promts for continuing 3nodding . like i aLwaYs tell my students to becareful and think of magic last when it comes to any situation. like using magic for the reason this happened... I honestly wouldn't know how i would have dealt with your situation...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:32 am


Apparent ease of use aside, I believe if someone could really truly kill another using only magic, energy manipulation, or drawing on supernatural sources, it would be a total revolution for society.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:40 pm


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Apparent ease of use aside, I believe if someone could really truly kill another using only magic, energy manipulation, or drawing on supernatural sources, it would be a total revolution for society.


I've yet to hear about anything like that happening. I'm fairly positive that you can't directly kill another person using energy or magick. If it is possible, it must be extremely rare.

Killing someone indirectly might be possible, though. Let's say you put a really nasty curse on someone to ruin their love life, their financial security, ect., and that drives the victim into suicide. I think that this situation isn't unheard of. But since it's possible to ruin someone's life or drive them to suicide without any sort of magick, this isn't much of a feat.
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