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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:59 pm
brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup Well, and I admit that I have very limited knowledge on the three and have an outsider's perspective, I kind of group Islam, Judaism, and Christianity together in my mind.
Of course I know that there are huge differences and that they're not in any way the same religion but, correct me if I'm wrong, the fact that they follow YHWH and that the religious texts intersect in some parts makes them more similar to eachother in my mind than, say, Christianity and Buddhism. No, because Jews don't follow HaShem the same way Christians do. Jesus is idolatry, and the mere perspective they have of HaShem is MUCH DIFFERENT than the way Jews do.
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities.Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:16 pm
In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup Well, and I admit that I have very limited knowledge on the three and have an outsider's perspective, I kind of group Islam, Judaism, and Christianity together in my mind.
Of course I know that there are huge differences and that they're not in any way the same religion but, correct me if I'm wrong, the fact that they follow YHWH and that the religious texts intersect in some parts makes them more similar to eachother in my mind than, say, Christianity and Buddhism. No, because Jews don't follow HaShem the same way Christians do. Jesus is idolatry, and the mere perspective they have of HaShem is MUCH DIFFERENT than the way Jews do.
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities.Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god.
Let me rephrase my question?
Is it worse to convert to Christianity or to convert to, say, Hinduism or Wicca? Or about the same?
Again, I'm only asking completely out of curiosity. Not to offend or argue.
So if you don't want to answer me, that's fine too. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:22 pm
brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup But they still follow Him, right?
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities. Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god.
Let me rephrase my question?
Is it worse to convert to Christianity or to convert to, say, Hinduism or Wicca? Or about the same?
Again, I'm only asking completely out of curiosity. Not to offend or argue.
So if you don't want to answer me, that's fine too. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.Converting to anything other than Judaism is bad. It is worse to convert to Christianity because Christianity rapes the Torah.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:27 pm
In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup But they still follow Him, right?
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities. Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god.
Let me rephrase my question?
Is it worse to convert to Christianity or to convert to, say, Hinduism or Wicca? Or about the same?
Again, I'm only asking completely out of curiosity. Not to offend or argue.
So if you don't want to answer me, that's fine too. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.Converting to anything other than Judaism is bad. It is worse to convert to Christianity because Christianity rapes the Torah.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:57 pm
In Medias Res IV brainnsoup Christianity and Judaism are different religions, but to say that they have nothing in common is ridiculous. Go read Torah and get back to me. Christianity believes in a devil, Judaism doesn't. Christianity believes the serpent in eden is Satan, Judaism doesn't. Christianity believes in a hell, Judaism doesn't Christianity is based on faith, Judaism is based on Law Christianity is based on the idea of salvation, Judaism doesn't know what Salvation is. Christianity believes that only those who accept the messiah will get into heaven, Judaism teaches that that is stupid. Want me to continue? They're different religions, different theologies, different interpretations, different beliefs... COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Hmm. I guess someone doesn't remember why the Torah became a closed Cannon. "The Apocalypse of Moses" and "The Book of Enoch" are two heretical texts that come to mind that came from Judaism.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:41 pm
To say Chrisitanity has no roots in Judiasm is ridiculous. If Christianity has 'raped' the Torah, then it has roots. To point out the differences hardly makes a difference too. There's differences within Christianity! Catholics believe in Limbo, Protestants believe in Hell, Mormons (still not sure whether they count) don't believe in the Trinity, Fundamentalists believe in following the Word to the letter, etc. They're two seperate religions, but like it or not, Christianity has it's root s in Judiasm. And btw, IMR, you said I support the Jews for Jesus. I didn't say that, and I wouldn't say that without looking it up. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:47 pm
In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup Well, and I admit that I have very limited knowledge on the three and have an outsider's perspective, I kind of group Islam, Judaism, and Christianity together in my mind.
Of course I know that there are huge differences and that they're not in any way the same religion but, correct me if I'm wrong, the fact that they follow YHWH and that the religious texts intersect in some parts makes them more similar to eachother in my mind than, say, Christianity and Buddhism. No, because Jews don't follow HaShem the same way Christians do. Jesus is idolatry, and the mere perspective they have of HaShem is MUCH DIFFERENT than the way Jews do.
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities.Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god. According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:05 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup But they still follow Him, right?
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities. Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god. According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:14 pm
xxEternallyBluexx To say Chrisitanity has no roots in Judiasm is ridiculous. If Christianity has 'raped' the Torah, then it has roots. To point out the differences hardly makes a difference too. There's differences within Christianity! Catholics believe in Limbo, Protestants believe in Hell, Mormons (still not sure whether they count) don't believe in the Trinity, Fundamentalists believe in following the Word to the letter, etc. They're two seperate religions, but like it or not, Christianity has it's root s in Judiasm. And btw, IMR, you said I support the Jews for Jesus. I didn't say that, and I wouldn't say that without looking it up. Don't put words in my mouth. Raping meaning taking the OT out of total context. THe OT is not meant to be followed by Christians. Period. End of sentence end of discussion. Also Catholics and other denominations of Christianity believe in Hell. neutral Messianic Jews=Jews for Jesus.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:19 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV brainnsoup In Medias Res IV brainnsoup But they still follow Him, right?
Not like religions who follow different gods entirely or even no gods at all.
I understand that they're completely different, but there are similarities. Noooo. The way Christians interpret HaShem is idolatry to Jews.To even believe Jesus was "His" son is blasphemy. Even saying Lord is blasphemy.
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point.Jesus is a pagan god. According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god. I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:39 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV brainnsoup What's more blasphemous in Judaism? To worship Pagan gods or to believe in Jesus?
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point. Jesus is a pagan god. According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god. I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused LOL!!! How the hell do you look up what Jews think on Webster Jesus lied.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:55 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV brainnsoup What's more blasphemous in Judaism? To worship Pagan gods or to believe in Jesus?
I'm asking because I honestly don't know and I'm curious about the religion, I'm not trying to prove a point. Jesus is a pagan god. According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god. I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused LOL!!! How the hell do you look up what Jews think on Webster Jesus lied. That's what I'm saying. What some of one religion (I'm betting some non-Messianic Jews would agree that Jesus is NOT a pagan god) thinks does not change the definition. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact you think He lied.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:55 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god. I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused LOL!!! How the hell do you look up what Jews think on Webster Jesus lied. That's what I'm saying. What some of one religion (I'm betting some non-Messianic Jews would agree that Jesus is NOT a pagan god) thinks does not change the definition. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact you think He lied. Then I can declare Jesus a pagan god all I want.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:13 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx According to Google He isn't: Definitions of pagan on the Web: a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew) heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam Sorry, but you're only a pagan if you aren't a Muslim, Christian, or Jew. You're completely off. Does Google speak for Jews now? Or do you? To the Jews, Jesus is a pagan god. I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused LOL!!! How the hell do you look up what Jews think on Webster Jesus lied. That's what I'm saying. What some of one religion (I'm betting some non-Messianic Jews would agree that Jesus is NOT a pagan god) thinks does not change the definition. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact you think He lied. Then I can declare Jesus a pagan god all I want. You could, but you'd be inaccurate. You can go around calling grass red, and the sky green, but that doesn't make it so. If you wish to be inaccurate, go for it, but at best you'll misinform people, and at worst, you'll make a fool of yourself.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:14 pm
xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx I looked it up in Webster's too. Jesus isn't a pagan god, and while I may think Mohammed lied, that doesn't change the fact Muslims aren't pagans either. You may say anybody who isn't a Jew is a pagan, but that doesn't make it true. confused LOL!!! How the hell do you look up what Jews think on Webster Jesus lied. That's what I'm saying. What some of one religion (I'm betting some non-Messianic Jews would agree that Jesus is NOT a pagan god) thinks does not change the definition. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact you think He lied. Then I can declare Jesus a pagan god all I want. You could, but you'd be inaccurate. You can go around calling grass red, and the sky green, but that doesn't make it so. If you wish to be inaccurate, go for it, but at best you'll misinform people, and at worst, you'll make a fool of yourself. But it's inaccurate for you to call Muhammed a liar? Wow, someone's a hypocrite.
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