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You insult me, the ministration of armies is just as much RP as whatever emotional gobledygook you wish to be involved in. I'm not downing what you like, because I've done the emotional gobledy gook line myself, and that can be fun too. But Roleplaying an entire nation properly and a military force properly is hard work, and it is very much ROLEPLAY.



Should I link you to what I wrote in the West Fall thread? Also, the whole thing about conflict I stated about conflict with Damien. ANd, I haven't touched your city and I'm effectively asking, almost begging, you for permission now. Is that good enough.


When you started contracting with R.I. I considered it a done deal that you knew there would be problems with West Fall, I didn't think I had to tell you exactly everything you were doing. I read in your thread anything pertaining to your actions, I assumed you kept track of what I was doing in mine. When the army started preapaing, MONTHS AGO, I thought you would notice. Perhaps I presumed too much.



You're hiding behind your friends to get your own way. That's how I see it. Fighting for the people in your thread is a joke, you're just as selfish as I am in your motives. At least you could admit that.



FIghting is roleplaying. You have no right to say that battle and war do not count as an integral, if not VITAL, portion of roleplay.



So you're saying if we are infiltrated by an influx of tea party roleplayers and they become the majority then Leviathan should change to a tea party guild?



Bullshit, I've been writing out this scenario for how long. You were dealing with R.I. precisely because you had been warned and were taking measures to upgrade your military. Did I have to send you a PM asking for your express permission to assualt Lament and reserve a special date and time?

I don't agree that both sides have to agree to fight all the time either, and I already explained why in another post.

I've made my most recent arguments, if you chose to forbid me, I chose to challenge to you to a one-on-one against Red in Levi Stadium, HoH style as far weapons rules go. I still have my acceptable profile somewhere. If you want, we can go no weapons or magic, I don't care that much. If you accept at least that, I may keep some degree of respect for you.

MerDerf, look.

I am not forbidding ANYONE from roleplaying in Lament. As I said, I created the thread so people would have a fun and interesting roleplaying environment. I did not say you couldn't roleplay there, I simply wanted to avoid an army vs army conflict. Until you showed up in my thread, I had no idea you were raising an army to attack me. Until you mentioned it, I had no knowledge that Raven Industries was an enemy of West Fall.

When I had Lament contract with Raven Industries, all I had in mind was giving Lament an upgrade, both in weapons, and in living spaces. I didn't know I was picking a side in a war or whatever. Lament's stance has always been neutral, until the undead attacked, now they are highly opposed to undead. Lament, as well as myself, has no interest in making enemies of anyone. They would much rather make friends, and allies.

I did say please when I asked you to go around and not attack the city. I did not demand that you turn around and go home. I wanted a compromise that might work for both of us.

If you would rather not compromise, then I can accept your other fight challenge. However, I can only use Ryugi if the fight is non-cannon, as he is currently out of commission due to some other actions that took place elsewhere. I DO have one character left, but I've never used him before. So, the choice is up to you.

Compromise and try to find a common ground.

or

Fight in the stadium with one of the characters.

Since when are people not allowed to make assumptions, especially when they believe those assumptions to be true. He's not fighting for the people in the thread, it's mere pretext because he's bothered by me and wants no part in role-playing it.

Secondly, my complaints only arose secondary to his complaints.

Yes, my motivations are selfish, I wish to gain enjoyment from attacking his fortress city. I want a rematch for the first time when I used a partial force and failed miserably. I rebuilt my forces in some hopes of that. I came back to offer terms to hopefully covince him to let me.



Are you suggesting I should be banned for stating what you quoted. Even after basically putting myself at Ryugi's mercy and asking his express permision. That is not trolling or flaming, so what are you trying to pull? Is this a veiled threat or a veiled intimidation ploy?

I do not feel threatened or intimidated.

When your assumption falsely calls another role player selfish. A thinly veiled attack on his character as an individual. The issue of who he's fighting is irrelevant. The individuals he has mentions have brought concerns to members of the moderating staff.

Your motivation is relevant because you were asked why you cannot simply ignore the city, and had yet to answer.





No MDG. I am stating as I have emboldened that if Ryugi does like the roleplay he can choose to ignore it, similarly all the people within Lament who can complaints and do not like the roleplay your bringing, can choose to ignore it. At least, according to the current rule set.

There is no threat or intimidation, and I am attempting to "pull" nothing. You have no broken any rules, thus there is no need for banning. I quoted the entire block of text so that I would not be accused of pulling the rules out of context.

In light of information made available through actual research, if you want to call it that, as well as over 6 hours of musing and thinking while making and serving coffee to idiots--- this is my final decree on the matter at hand.

As 'Administrator' and basic Super-Overlord for this guild, and with the given title of Vice Captain, what I say now is to be taken into effect without question or further dissension among the ranks.

Any further comments, problems, or appeals may be made to my PM box. Any crew member not satisfied with my decision can also voice their opinion in the Mod Lounge.

In the case of Lament vs West Fall, Lament is allowed this one-time pass at not having to deal with the army at their doorstep.

Role-playing may resume as normal, and the army, with no people to interact with, is ordered to 'warp' back to where it came from, thus erasing the trip and eventual goal-- thus giving West Fall Army the option of altering any plot and heading elsewhere.

I say one-time, because for the future, no member of this crew is going to be the shield for any other person in this guild, or put into this kind of position again.

I hereby implore the owner of said army to next time make the attacking force more 'realistic' interpret this as you will), and more visible effort into building up said forces. According to Crew findings, there was little to none of this, enough to satisfy all involved.

Defenders should not exactly be sent a faxed letterhead stating 'Hi, we are coming to kill you', but should be given ample enough time to prepare for any invasion or siege.

A more visceral 'Rules of Engagement' will be drawn up by the crew of this guild so that this does not happen again in the future. As it is, you cannot rape the willing, and so on and so forth. Mutual contention is as important as having the upper hand, however I do not want this guild to fall into the trap of people always having to gain clearance for some type of fight or conflict..

As for defenders, and specifically Ryugi himself--- no matter the type of defenses any place has-- if it has them then it expects and attempts to be prepared to fend off any trouble. As it was stated before, this is a fighting guild and fights can break out at anytime, just like in the real world. And just like in the real world, you can find places to get away from it all and relax.

As it is, there is no victory for anyone here. Everyone should be ashamed for the simple fact that the one thing we all come here to do could not be done: role-play.

No one is going to be banned, or told how to role-play, simply a lesson in moderation and humility.

To sum it up; both parties have been given a do-over and the reset button has been hit.

This is the compromise and it will never be given to anyone again. Take it or leave it.

Don't threaten or talk down to members Josh.

If its the very same thing I get nagged at for, then it will certainly apply to you.

MerfDerf, excuse Josh.

Also, Josh, you have no claim to be throwing temp-bans at anyone. X is the one to replace Kraun, and the OOC will be his realm from now on..