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 Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:55 pm
For the most part i'm sticking with the zeon's mechs from Stardust memories. The first Gundam series. It seems to be much more believeably in how it works alongside regular military.
3. for some of the specifics such as running speed I asked hikrau for.. I'm not sure on armor thickness. yes fire from a tank would send a mech of a Zaku's size on it's a** (think magella top gun, "Zaku II weapon for Gundam Federation vs Zeon" Vid game for ps2) But Infantry gun fire wouldent do anything, when I said that they would have little effect My main thought was about missles rather then your basic shells.
4. (that would only happen if the piolet wasn't paying attantion, from 20 miles away a shell from a battle ship and the alotted time to dodge before it hits would be easy) Mech straifs right as he targets the battle ship and sees them launch three shells, uses thrusters to send him straifing a quick left, Dust cloude resulting from the miss makes for poor visibility, Mech fires blindly with his beam rifle at where the shells originated from, manages to knock out their cumunications tower.(i'm not well versed in the way of battle ships, i know more about air craft carriers.)
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:22 pm
Hikaru Yui According to the G-Units the MS units are able to change their bodies to adapt to the basic different conditions (space, desert, water, or air) without much time delayed. Of course, only two of these 'g-units' (u can also say 'gundam' for they are made of gundanium alloy) were ever made. Normal mobile suits cannot do this. Gundams could most likely do this, but as Tanasha already noted. It'll cost ya o.o; (hence the reason why only two were build) I've no doubt a mech in proper care and with the right equipment can switch combat zones with ease, but I'd be hesitant to go right up into space in mech that's been fighting and getting spot-fixes in a desert for 6+ months. It's not about them being able to do it, it's just that pieces wear down. Hikaru Yui 3rd point: as far as i know, i dun think MS can even carry any bombs. Those will slow the MS down and we wont want that. Depends on the size. Hikaru Yui >.> lil pet peeve here. The ZERO system from GWing is NOT psychic. Hmn...how do I explain this? oh well. maybe when i'm in the mood to write an essay on the ZERO system i'll explain. :3 the only psychic thing in the whole Gundam series would be the Newtypes (correct me if i'm wrong o.o) I was talking more about newtypes, but the zero system is a bit odd as well - if it accelerates response times via neurofeedback, then the hand controls shouldn't even be there - aside from it having a 100% chance of inducing a siezure, regardless of training and exposure levels. Hikaru Yui 5th point: It's based on the show...i'll do some research and tell u the battleship type later :3 Well, if you want to try one against the ASDF-0, you'd end-up with a nice set of limbs and possibly a head, but that's a capital ship. Even most nautical ships can pound on a MS from well outside the mech's range. (20 miles isn't too much for modern RL equipment, imagine one with mech-tech) Hikaru Yui 7th point: the only way for a MS to do a 'splash' attack would be to shower the enemy with missiles o.o I dun even know if that counts. (I can't believe u used that idea Indrid XD! MS wall~) I was thinking: "What good is a mech for shielding infantry if the enemy is blanketing an area with napalm or shrapnel bombs?" Hikaru Yui 8th point: thats what water bottles are for! XD (personally, i dunno...) Reclamation equipment isn't THAT large, so it could be fitted into a mech that's designed for stake-outs. It'd have to run off of idle power (Which reminds me, what are the mechs powered by?), and you'd have to carry all the food since you probably don't want to try to reclaim THAT. Hikaru Yui 10th point: even a ground mech has boosters. I forgot to mention this to indrid. yes, the running alone would be slow, but boost them up and they could prolly win a race trophy :3 Not all ground mechs - they're considered a luxury for the other branch's mecha, save for the ASDF where it's not used unless it can survive hot-jumping from a dropship into battle. Even there they can't be used for long flights. Hikaru Yui 12th point: i'd usually think that MS pilots would have at least SOME training in most of the millitary weapons. Oh well. rigorous training could also ally to the pilot enhancing systems some pilots can use. (some are death causing training in fact) Just a little note It can be assumed that a pilot is versed in at least the basics of how to operate various craft - enough so that if things go south then they're not going to die 'cause nobody knew how to fly/walk/drive/etc out of there. Sure, they'll probably fall over, swerve around on the road, or cause horrible fits of motion sickness, but it increases thier chances of survival by a great deal. Besides, nothing says "Up yours" like getting shot-down over an enemy base, stealing a mech, and using it to level the place from the inside where they can't call-down heavy fire. xd :
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:21 am
Just a little something that came to mind...
If the different sections were to have their own logo.
For example, the GA maybe a gun over or someplace within the logo. For the Mechs...something like I dunno...a gundam in the background of it (faded in of course). Or just something along that nature...
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:52 am
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:40 pm
Indrid Cold For the most part i'm sticking with the zeon's mechs from Stardust memories. The first Gundam series. It seems to be much more believeably in how it works alongside regular military. Yes, because Wing was made for DBZ addicts. Indrid Cold 3. for some of the specifics such as running speed I asked hikrau for.. I'm not sure on armor thickness. yes fire from a tank would send a mech of a Zaku's size on it's a** (think magella top gun, "Zaku II weapon for Gundam Federation vs Zeon" Vid game for ps2) A single salvos from a tank probably wouldn't be enough to topple most mecha standing on flat ground, assuming non-explosive ammo. It would knock it back a bit, and depending on where and when the mech was hit the results could be pretty bad - a shot to the top of the foot of a mech with foot-mounted thrusters doing a boosted dash... Well that would cause the mech to pitch forward and thrust into the ground, most likely breaking servos and joints in the hit leg and straining/stressing the superstructure. Indrid Cold But Infantry gun fire wouldent do anything, when I said that they would have little effect My main thought was about missles rather then your basic shells. Regular Bullets? Naw, wouldn't do much of anything to a MS. Standard mecha, however, would slowly wear down from infantry fire. Anti-tank rounds are FAR different, however. Those would cause significant damage to mech armor, and light damage to an MS. Indrid Cold 4. (that would only happen if the piolet wasn't paying attantion, from 20 miles away a shell from a battle ship and the alotted time to dodge before it hits would be easy) That all depends. If it's a rail-cannon then you're not going to see the ship fire - even if it just sent a projectile at you at mach 16. (Under 7 seconds total flight time) If they have Naval Lasers, then there's no way you could dodge from that range. Then there are the various kinds of missiles and tracking systems - heat, emf, radio, radar, laser-guided, fly-by-wire, etc...
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:15 pm
....Ok, I'm not even going to touch anything on the points Indrid made... Hikaru Yui  Gaian Army Ok, this I like... like a combo of the round and 'boxey' sigs... ...just make sure that anyone who has a title, has that on the sig when their done, and not their rank... Anyone know what I'm trying to say? Its not coming out the way I wanted..as for the image... we even need it? [OOC]
....School started yesterday...
I'm in my final year of High School, Grade 12... rolleyes
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:42 pm
Indrid Cold
4. (that would only happen if the piolet wasn't paying attantion, from 20 miles away a shell from a battle ship and the alotted time to dodge before it hits would be easy) Mech straifs right as he targets the battle ship and sees them launch three shells, uses thrusters to send him straifing a quick left, Dust cloude resulting from the miss makes for poor visibility, Mech fires blindly with his beam rifle at where the shells originated from, manages to knock out their cumunications tower.(i'm not well versed in the way of battle ships, i know more about air craft carriers.)no. no. not at all. its kinda hard to notice 3 16" shells flying through the air from 20 miles away. thats a long way. you wouldn't even freakin notice it. maybe sensitive audio sensors would pick up a BOOM if you were standing still, but you need millimeter-wave radar to pick the shells up. and you'd have to be staring at the display, and you would get confused with birds. true, it takes 40 seconds for it to do the distance, but the thing is that its impossible to see or otherwise detect 3 objects flying through the air at 2360 fps from 20 miles away. and the whole dodge to make a dust cloud and fire blindly with you light rifle works great with snipers, but not with such indirect weapons as 16" guns. and i dont think that you could aim a turret (thats what the gundam is, a moving turret) blindly and hit a battleship 20 miles away over much terrain. no, you're just not well versed in realities. and battleships are big ships with lots of guns that mainly provide fire support but can take out any other ship on the seas. not something from a comic book.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:54 pm
Whatever the case, a mech reacts just a tad slower then a normal Human. 7 seconds would be plety of time.. FOr a human to change direction that would be about 1.2 seconds(if he was running at full speed in one direction) for an MS/mech it would probably be about 2-3 seconds dependig on velocity. By the way when it comes down to it I only have two classifications, MD(mobile dolls[unmanned]) and MS(mobile suits[manned])
A mech is the broader term used to describe any type of robotics. At any rate I will not change the strengths. Hikaru and I sat and talked them over for about 45 minutes and based them on how they would react in a real environment as well as effectivness. They are reasonable in every sense, especially when we will be used as a last resort to back up other militia.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:19 pm
OOC: So...this is becoming REALITY? Hmn....I thought it was RPing
There is nothing wrong with the things we came up with. Heck, some ppl would just think of strengths while we had the liberty to come up with weaknesses. We are ur LAST RESORT. U want us to be weaklings? Thats what it's starting to sound, sad to say.
In fact, prolly the only thing we will get to DO here is sit around WAITING. There is not a lot of us either, as already stated.
And just so u know, we dont mean to say "hey, we're better than u" by stating our strengths. We're saying "hey, we can help if u need it! because we're not worthless"
Ur strengths aren't much. In fact, the weaknesses will prolly be more effective.
We are allies, practicly a family. O.o and I, personally, see some...exclusion here...
WE AREN'T UNSTOPPABLE.
(and just to tell u >.> I'll be using a mech similar to the ones in GWing too. Have a problem? PM me before I make it official)
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:26 pm
Dude.. calm down.. your a bit hot headed.
Please Excuse Hikaru. He's feeling a bit of animosity twords our GMT. I feel it as well. though nothing has been stated it does kinda feel that your alienating us. I understand the fact that you need to scrutinize a guild that will take up such a large portion of the military's budget but Hikaru does raise a good point. This is just an Rp when you get to the core of it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:28 pm
gomen sweatdrop
(been having a rough day for anyone who cares)
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:38 pm
We are at the peoples' service...
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:06 pm
Indrid Cold Whatever the case, a mech reacts just a tad slower then a normal Human. 7 seconds would be plety of time.. FOr a human to change direction that would be about 1.2 seconds(if he was running at full speed in one direction) for an MS/mech it would probably be about 2-3 seconds dependig on velocity. To change velocity? Certainly! To notice 50lbs of metal from 20 miles away and THEN dodge it? That's a tad bit trickier. Indrid Cold By the way when it comes down to it I only have two classifications, MD(mobile dolls[unmanned]) and MS(mobile suits[manned]) Those are the terms for gundam-type mecha, true. But other mechs don't fit too well in those groups. (ie: agro mechs armed with giant chainsaws) Indrid Cold A mech is the broader term used to describe any type of robotics. At any rate I will not change the strengths. Hikaru and I sat and talked them over for about 45 minutes and based them on how they would react in a real environment as well as effectivness. They are reasonable in every sense, especially when we will be used as a last resort to back up other militia. Reasonable power for the job and reasonable power for the technology base are two different things. Everybody is going to be trimmed back a bit unless they can give a badass reason why they shouldn't be. You will probably never fight a zero system equipped on a newtype mech with a doll AI that's more than a match for Hiro Yui, as I doubt anybody can give a good enough reason. Hikaru: I understand why you're angry, but even last resorts can't be overly strong. Heck, I'd get a kick out of the GG getting taken-over and having to form a resistance to throw the conquerers out.
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:10 pm
blah909 2. we need an executive officer here. one to do stuff and get stuff done. not be the boss, just try to bring this together and in the right direction. who wants to be it? *cough* ... were's the G army page? and i've got a priliminary front page for a marine corps...
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:18 pm
okay, we need to organize stuff:
1. who has the constitution? if not, we're gonna make another one.
2. why call it the constitution? why not the articles of gaia?
3. what branches do we have?
4. who wants to be in the council to decide on stuff?
5. ...
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