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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:49 am
 You must be mad...I have never liked the half human thing. never ever ever. I am not going to believe it is cannon until i'm smacked over the head with it and forced to regenerate. The Doctor is a full blooded time lord. Period. ...or you wouldn't have come here.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:16 am
Patent Dragon Okay, I've now seen "Journey's End" several times, and watched it and "The Stolen Earth" back-to-back, and let's face it, people, it was one heckuva thrill-ride. The whole "three-fold man" thing gave us handy (ooops, sorry) solutions to both Rose and Donna's storylines, but what has bugged me most were the rather convenient "rescues" for Torchwood and Sarah-Jane - Tosh "just happened" to have been working on the ideal defence, Mickey and Rose's mum dimension-jump in at just the right moment to stop SJ getting exterminated. Now, I had imagined the "three fold man" thing as being resolved in a "Three Doctors" situation, with Tennant (10), Ecclestone (9), and McGann ( 8 ); 10 staying in the TARDIS going "Huh?" as his regeneration apparently stalls, whilst 9 appears at Torchwood (courtesy of The Rift?) and helps out Gwen and Ianto, whilst 8 arrives to save SJ in the nick of time. None of them realise exactly what's happened until they meet up at the Crucible, and combine their intellects to stop the Dalek master-plan. Just my thoughts on the matter; it would've worked. Congratulations to the Beeb for keeping the whole thing quiet. Ooh, now *this* suggestion gets the Jettrick-brand seal of approval =D Russel could have gone to town with his beloved 'Time War' idea then and dropped enough arcwords for the next twenty seasons. The only reason I guess this wouldn't have worked is because McGann seems not to be welcome anywhere in the new series and it would have confused all the poor people who tune in just for light entertainment and not the ever-shifting mythos. My would it have been a treat to watch though :3 Also, I think eight's gone on record as saying he never wishes to don that f***ing wig again. Tis why he stays in audioland D:
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:39 am
They could have used something more original for the Dalek Supreme's voice rather that reusing the Dalek Emperor's voice... But I suppose that's Nick Briggs' decision...
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:11 am
Wait a second, "What have you done?": "Forfilling the prophesy" ? And also I thought Gwen Cooper got married and is now called Gwen something else...
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:27 am
knightofthe21stcentury Wait a second, "What have you done?": "Forfilling the prophesy" ? And also I thought Gwen Cooper got married and is now called Gwen something else... Maybe she kept her maiden name? I can't remember Rhys' last name xx
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:53 pm
I'm just flat outright furious at what they did to Donna. You can tell from her own reactions then that she'd probably sooner die then and there than go back to being stupid, obnoxious, worthless and incapable of seeing past her own nose. evil At the very least they could have given some hope that she could build herself back again--she did it herself in the first place, after all--but no, not even that.
I don't buy the idea her mom would be the spark to set her off--their relationship doesn't work that way after years of her mom's verbal abuse. Anything her mom tried to encourage her to do would be the last thing Donna would want to do, as you clearly saw in Turn Left. And I don't think her mom would magically stop being a harping, nagging person even if she were now trying to nag her daughter into a better life with the full knowledge now that her daughter CAN achieve it. It took somebody OUTSIDE this circle to get Donna's head working.
Drat it, if they'd even ended with a little suggestion to Sarah Jane, the closest thing to the Doctor Earth's got, to look in on Donna, help encourage her to improve herself, I wouldn't be so furious. Right now, it's obvious she's going to be left this obnoxious idiot the rest of her life.
And the series is probably going to go back to young companions who just go around mooning over the Doctor and wishing he'd kiss them or something. mad rolleyes I am SO sick of that. It's like having a blatant Mary-Sue dragged through every episode, and I rarely tolerate those even in fanfic!
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:36 pm
I got this one idea that Donna would run into Jack, and he'd almost reveal everything before realizing that her memories are gone. And, ala the Torchwood episode "Adam", use Retcon to bring her mind back to the state right before the biological meta-crisis, thus she'd have her memories of her time with the Doctor, without the TimeLordness that would kill her. Sure, she still wouldn't remember saving the whole Universe, but she'd at least remember MOST of the stuff she did.
And then she'd proceed to track down the Doctor again and give him a well deserved slap.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:10 pm
Jettrick Patent Dragon ... Now, I had imagined the "three fold man" thing as being resolved in a "Three Doctors" situation, with Tennant (10), Ecclestone (9), and McGann ( 8 ); 10 staying in the TARDIS going "Huh?" as his regeneration apparently stalls, whilst 9 appears at Torchwood (courtesy of The Rift?) and helps out Gwen and Ianto, whilst 8 arrives to save SJ in the nick of time. None of them realise exactly what's happened until they meet up at the Crucible, and combine their intellects to stop the Dalek master-plan. Just my thoughts on the matter; it would've worked. Congratulations to the Beeb for keeping the whole thing quiet. Ooh, now *this* suggestion gets the Jettrick-brand seal of approval =D Russel could have gone to town with his beloved 'Time War' idea then and dropped enough arcwords for the next twenty seasons. The only reason I guess this wouldn't have worked is because McGann seems not to be welcome anywhere in the new series and it would have confused all the poor people who tune in just for light entertainment and not the ever-shifting mythos. My would it have been a treat to watch though :3 Also, I think eight's gone on record as saying he never wishes to don that f***ing wig again. Tis why he stays in audioland D: *bows* You're welcome. You are right about Doc 8, in that it would be a bit confusing for "New Who" fans. Eirwyn And the series is probably going to go back to young companions who just go around mooning over the Doctor and wishing he'd kiss them or something. I am SO sick of that. It's like having a blatant Mary-Sue dragged through every episode, and I rarely tolerate those even in fanfic! Time for Sparrow and Nightengale, I suspect. That or an alien who learns to be "human" from The Doctor, and that shows the Doc just HOW far he is from human... Again, just a thought.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:40 pm
I don't know what I hate more: the crappy bad fanfic ending that Rose and Ten got, or what happened to Donna. Probably Donna. I can't believe she had all of that character development and then they reversed it. Seems to me like RTD was just being a d**k.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:29 am
SailorGadget I don't know what I hate more: the crappy bad fanfic ending that Rose and Ten got, or what happened to Donna. Probably Donna. I can't believe she had all of that character development and then they reversed it. Seems to me like RTD was just being a d**k. I agree. I disliked the ending with both companions! I can see why they'd try to do this fairytale type endng with Rose but i dunno it just didn;t work on me. and I don;t really want Martha to join Torchwood, she bugs me lol. Hope the next companion isn;t swooning over the Doctor lol
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:57 pm
OMG! The finale was awesome! I felt sooo bad for Donna. I had really started to love her! I'm extremely happy that the doctor didn't really regenerate because i love David Tennant. However, i do wonder whether or not that means that he used up one of his regenerations. Either way the finale, despite its flaws, was fantastic!
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:12 pm
SailorGadget I don't know what I hate more: the crappy bad fanfic ending that Rose and Ten got, or what happened to Donna. Probably Donna. I can't believe she had all of that character development and then they reversed it. Seems to me like RTD was just being a d**k. Life sucks like that, sometimes. But I think a lot of people are missing the point on the issue-which is that Donna doesn't need the Doctor to be brilliant. Just somebody who thinks a little better of her. And I can't believe for a moment she's going to spend the rest of her life on Earth and *not* bump into someone like that. Seriously, I can't believe so many people would rather see her dead than returned to the way she was. Nothing's changed inside her, after all xD
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:50 pm
No, Jettrick, I DO get it. She did indeed make herself awesome on her own.
Thing is, she went all that time (she's what--about 40?) not improving herself. Just living up to her mother's low expectations that were bluntly and harpingly pounded into her all the time. I knew someone like that--it made me so sad and frustrated to see her wasting her life, and to hear her mother snapping "you'll never be any good!" all the time. evil And she DIDN'T escape from that.
The Doctor didn't make her awesome, but he did wake her up and make her want to really live and learn and experience the world. It's going to take somebody else OUTSIDE her family to give her that spark again, and because we see no sign of who that could possibly be, the end offers no hope.
I say just a hint, some little sign the Doctor had a word with one of the others (I think Sarah-Jane would be the best candidate) about what he knew was going to happen & need to be done, and could they very carefully find a way to push her towards rediscovering her own human potentials...?
Would that have been so hard?
Then we do see the Doctor as a healer and helper again. I just can't see him leaving her like that when he knows just the right push could send her off finding her wings again. Would you leave a dear friend like that without making sure they would be all right?
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:57 am
I disagree....I think that Donna has a second chance now to live her life to her own expectations.
The Doctor made a point of telling her mother and her grandfather just how MUCH she mattered; how she saved the world. And how she could never know. He wanted her mother to know how brilliant Donna was, and I think that was in part to make her mother realize how wrong she had been all these years.
I wouldn't be surprised if her mother started treating Donna a lot better now.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:04 pm
SailorGadget I don't know what I hate more: the crappy bad fanfic ending that Rose and Ten got, or what happened to Donna. Probably Donna. I can't believe she had all of that character development and then they reversed it. Seems to me like RTD was just being a d**k. Donnas ending was tragic (I'm still sad about it ) but at the very least was well written. I for one believe that Donna will keep being awesome. Also I'm kind of torn at the idea of bringing Donna back. On the one hand her character was made of liquid awesomeness and it would be great to have her back. On the other,bringing her baack kind of cheapens her exit a bit.
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