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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:52 pm
O.o lol, I'm toying with this idea I have... ok here goes: we should write a story based off the guild... either crew, members, both or just random people. Muse can draw the cover (@Muse: I've been asking you to draw the crew like your gaia family you have on deviant). I think it's be a fun project, kinda like Freedom Writers... i guess. a compilation of or stories, life stuff and what not. idk still thinking, let me know what you guys/girls think...
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:31 pm
@ Lion: I mostly agree with you, that post was at the peak of my frustrations. Maybe I should delete it. But it did make a few people laugh, so what the hell... biggrin (And why isn't this conversation in the new subforum, I ask you.)
@ Dragon: Sounds good, I may even have time to do it this week since I have a week off from school.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:40 pm
1. he probably didn't realize we made a new forum cause he signs on so damn late that he's probably out of it, drunk, hung over, or all three and doesn't notice these things (I'm probably going to get lectured for that statement)
2. yay, go draw your ars off... and idk where to start doing this, I was thinking a completely new sub forum (i'll donate) and maybe letting other members post their own as well...
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:55 pm
Erm, we already have enough subforums biggrin
The last one I did just for you cause I know you'd get all emo and whine about it till I caved. emo
wink
(Just messing with you.)
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:08 am
I'm going to try to say this with some sense of clarity and forthrightness.
Relationships were never meant to be easy. Sometimes they are difficult, or painful, but often it is these moments--the tough moments--when relationships build their strength and flexibility.
Relationships are not about moderation as much as they are about balance. And just as people often are, these balances are tenuous and seem one-sided. True, you can have an "even" or "equal" relationship. One where you give as much as you can take, and the other person does the same. But as far as romantic scenarios are concerned, the greater virtues than sheer equality are respect, consideration, openness, and honesty. It seems to me that people find their balance through being themselves, together. Forcing balance is just foolish, as is seeking it with too great an avidity.
The truth is that the point of a relationship--any relationship--is that you think the other person is worth what pain they might cause you or what sacrifices you must make to be with them. It is why women choose to become mothers and men, fathers, and it is the most primal reason for romance and friendship.
And it is true that sacrifice will be required. Sometimes, all we give are a few minutes of our time, or a genteel sign of affection. We give up certain defenses and allow a show of tenderness.... Maybe in my case, that means showing weakness.
In the end, it seems simple to me. When we are in a relationship, we give up part of our independence, or our dependence, for interdependence. This is the foundation for a good relationship, straight from Rome:
"Non mihi, non tibi, sed nobis."
It means "Not for me, not for you, but for us.".
Because we go on living and growing, together. We give up a part of ourselves because we think the other person is worth it. It may sound simple, or complex, but the truth is that it can be either. The concept is simple--but more often, the application is hopelessly complex.
But if you think they're worth it...well. You put these things aside.
This is but a part of what it means to love without condition.
Love & Vale,
~Andrew
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:37 am
Thank you, Andrew! This is what people don't understand about why I let Phil still live with me. You see, despite the fact of him saying we're technically not dating, he still treats me like his girlfriend, and has slipped up and said "girlfriend" a few times when referring to me. Which to me says that he wants to be with me, he's just unsure of if he deserves me. That being said, even now the two of us give and take equally from each other, and are always there to support each other. We're honest with each other, and when we disagree on something, we find a middle-ground, and compromise. I've never had a relationship before this one that was like this, and I'll never find anything like it again. People like us are very hard to come by. We're very much alike, but at the same time we're very different.
I'm not going to say that is exactly what you need to look for, because everybody is different, but when you are dating someone, you need to keep yourself from getting attached quickly, until you figure out if the person you're dating is willing to (or, rather, respects you enough to) give and take in equal parts, take into consideration what is important to you, and compromise every step of the way. Someone who cares enough about you that they are willing to put in the effort to make the relationship work, and who you care enough about to do the same. Like a rowboat; both oars need to be paddling. If its one-sided, the relationship, like a rowboat, will go in circles.
And this, Andrew, is why I feel the way I feel about Phil. Why I know what I know, and understand that I just need to give him some time. Because I feel deep in my heart that he is and will be worth my time, my pain, and my effort. And he has yet to prove me wrong. He is the only one I've felt is worth it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:37 am
crystalsmuse
Erm, we already have enough subforums biggrin
The last one I did just for you cause I know you'd get all emo and whine about it till I caved. emo
wink
(Just messing with you.)GAH! honestly, one more sub-forum won't screw the guild up... i mean, i've seen guilds that have like 20 sub-forums of random stuff and it works. It'd just make it easier to separate them, though I guess one thread would work since people can tell who posted it by the avi... gah, darn you MUSE! so many compromises... stare
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 am
HIIIIII!
Yeah, so, sorry I've been all sneaky-like... but I totally have a job now! Yeah. I'm a cashier at the Dollar Tree, cool cool. It kind of sucks hardcore, but money is money. And I need money. Also, old people are crazy.
Old Guy: Do these glasses fit everyone?
Me: Um, yeah.
OG: WHAT?
Me: Yeah, they do!
OG: WILL THESE GLASSES FIT ME!
Me: YES. YES THEY WILL.
OG: ... *farts*
Me: Um...
OG: I'm ninety-four!
Me: That's... impressive.
OG: ... *farts again*
He then wanders off to look at the cards, leaving his glasses on the counter. When he comes back he claims to have never seen them, reminding me several more times that he is, in fact, ninety-four.
MOVING ON. In about a week I'm gonna go backpacking with my family for a while. We'll be out in Yosemite, wandering around with the bears and the rocks and whatnot. I'll be sure to put up pictures, 'cuz it's gorgeous out there and I wanna make all of you jealous.
Shadow, you better not make it just crew or I'm gonna be pissed. Yeah. Just sayin'.
In closing, I'd like to say this:
Dear Dyson People,
You should totally give us a new vacuum. I'm always seeing that English guy sitting at his light-up desk, talking about suction and roller balls 'n' stuff, and I think we (Team Dollar) should get in on some of that. Have you ever tried to suck up a whole box of bleach with a vacuum that was made at approximately the same time as "Mr. Roboto"? No? Didn't think so.
Eagerly awaiting your package,
Cashier Stacy (aka, The New Girl)
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:49 am
Hey Arrow, your avatar looks awesome!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:56 am
@Shadow - Nah, I don't mind people ragging on me, its more the few opinions I have that I defend vigourously. So you're off the hook... for now wink .
@Muse - Shadow's right, I'm a** backwards these days and the guild has changed in what, 2 years? Forgive me for not realizing it. Don't worry about being frustrated. It often takes frustration and anger to come to terms with how we really feel. In the words of the great Darth Vader: Release your anger, use your feelings and embrace the dark side. The last bit doesn't really matter, but you should get what I'm trying to say.
@Andy-drew - Like always, I've spotted the flaw in your thinking. It isn't serious, just more of complication. What you said should be, more or less, Love without condition. What I see is that the term, without, is a condition unto itself, setting aside independence or dependencies for a harmonic interdependence is, and you can't deny it, a condition. To live and love for someone is a condition in itself.
I'm not trying to be arrogant, just pointing out that even small, seemingly overlooked terms and ideas can contradict an argument. The conditions to what you refer to I have dubbed "price tags." What someone will do to be with another person in return for something that tends to be substantially less valuable, the best example is women, or men, marrying for money. While the innocent party may vie for their affection through extravagant gifts and distantly awarded affection, it is the price they will pay.
I agree with you totally, relationships are hard, I know I've put my own fair share of stress on my relationship and my lady has put just as much as I have, though maybe a little more. Its like a job, you have to work at it, you earn the pay off at the end of the day, the affection, the care, the love, its earned not given. I don't want to make a relationship into a career, but it does come with some very fun benefits.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:05 am
yes, arrow, your avi is awesome and your post is as usual hillarious.
@lion: nice Star Wars analogy, basically don't hold anger in, cause it leads to worst things.
and yeah back to arrow, probably won't make it crew only...
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:09 am
Oh, yeah, and I posted two new sets of Lyrics today. Dangerous, and Shaman.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:43 am
I edited it thoroughly and posted it on Facebook. To clear a few things up, what I meant was that it is the first step towards understanding unconditional love. And that balance can be radically different from the ever-so-typical give-and-take situation.
But...my boy is teaching me a great deal...I'm so glad for him.
Elv: you're amazing. Have fun at Yosemite, try not to get mauled and/or eaten, take lots of pictures, and continue to tell stories about the Dollar Store. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Love & Vale,
-Andrew
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:25 pm
Okay, not trying to damper the mood. Just trying to add a bit of reality to this little relationship potluck recipe.
To me unconditional love should really only be given to people who have proven themselves to you (like your parents... or maybe not, depends on your parents) or your children.
Otherwise you're just ASKING to get your heart trampled on and then eaten. Or you'll be used and taken advantage of.
I know it sounds kind of harsh, but you can't go around trusting people willy nilly anymore. You're protecting yourself. If they want your love they need to prove they deserve it and can HANDLE it.
Cause when you have my trust and I love you... It's forever. No matter how many times you ******** up.
(Gah, that sounds so heartless... I don't know if anyone gets the jist.)
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:52 pm
don't feel bad muse... I kinda get it.
Love is well how to put this... like your soul mate. your partner should make you feel whole, you shouldn't have to feel empty inside, that isn't love. Love is happiness, sharing, emotion, caring, and a ton of other things. Trust within love is a must, otherwise love doesn't fully exist within the relationship. If there is no trust, then there can't be true love.
i vote that we move this to the debate and discussion sub-forum, i'll make the thread...
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