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 Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:21 pm
iTenchi-kun ( Kills 666, Hayate-sempai.... *Anger fist*) 
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:07 pm
iMistah-kun Sorry about the slow reply, I had a somewhat busy night. Spring Break leads to some odd adventures lol. But anywho, I should get back on subject. Kurg, I'm gonna respond to you first. thanks for getting back to me. Quote: I understand what you mean but thats not really what we'd like to do. The reason relates to what Duck and I were saying about people jumping in to the discussion and turning a fight into an all out brawl. As a captain of the crew, the last thing I'd want to see is four or five members getting into a big argument over something because that would affect the way each person views the other people. Someone who was once a friend could turn into an enemy. Those are the type of negative feelings I'd like to avoid. With the PM system, people can talk things out one on one without feeling like they are being ganged up on. If they still feel like it is going no where, then they can bring in a crew member that they both feel comfortable with to mediate the problem. Then their won't be any built up anger and hatred would not have to spread in out forums. ok if you feel that will work then i guess we have to give it a shot. Quote: This section baffled me to be honest. I never thought that there were members who thought this way. Anyone who knows Greg, Luo, Jwlz, Lance, Duck, me, or anyone else in crew should know that we all have different ways of looking at things and we each have different leaderships styles. Storm is your friend isn't he? Surely you have to see some differences in the way he operates as a crew member to someone like Hinote. Yes the crew does come together most of the time to create different things for the guild but that doesn't mean that we all share the same view points all the time. Think of us all as transportation, heading to the same place. Think of Hinote as a train, Duck as a car, Lance as a plane, Greg as a boat, and I as a motorcycle. We all share the same destination but we have different ways of getting there. My advice to you and any other member who dislikes a member of crew is to try sending them a PM. This PM doesn't have to be about any specific issue or problem you have, it could just be an ordinary PM starting an everyday conversation. Crew are not Gods, nor are we robots. Behind these words we are people, just like you. When I was a member I didn't like Greg or Hinote to be honest, but after getting to know them, it came to the point that I was talking to Hinote everyday. I have to say Hinote is one of my closest friends on gaia now. Thats all because I reached out to him. not me. i was referring to the undisclosed member mentioned by shay. she messaged shay telling her that she felt shay was the only one standing up for her. she did not want to go to other members of crew. now why do you think that is? Quote: Well the new guilds would only be OoC, so there would not be any RP getting done. The captain would the kage of the village and crew would be members of the village that the kage can trust. Members of the village have to be members of the guild that corresponds with their village. You can apply to join a village's guild but unless they trust you greatly, I doubt you would get in since they would be talking about important things that have to do with their village. oh... i was kinda thinking something else i guess. a sad let down from a misconception but oh well. so who will be paying for these guilds then?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:17 pm
Hikaro_rin Stormold ...And things should be easy to understand, the whole shinobi professions and types, chakra points... it's all confusing to someone who just joins. I think there should be a bit more breakdown in the welcome threads, less like guidelines and rules... more like an actual welcome. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised this doesn't exist yet. Especially since In the suggestions thread I made a beginners guide for the guild to use. It linked to everything a newbie needs to know making it easier to get started. I was even told it would be used. More on this later. An attempt has been made to create the guides you mentioned. Just, nobody seems to actually read them. Evidence for this being that even long time members apparently don't know about them. Hikaro_rin @Tenchi Not sure I like the idea of a mandatory class. It seems like that would make it even more annoying to get started in the guild. First you'd have to wait for someone to be designated as your teacher, then you'd need to spend a lot of time waiting for responses since the crew who would actually do their job would be busy with other things as well. After you finally "pass" the course, you'd then have to start waiting for approvals left and right for your rpc, bloodline/clan etc which normally takes at least a week. Basically it could take members closer to a month to get started as an Academy student. Right now it takes about a week to get everything sorted out. Of course you could let people apply for things and take the class at the same time, but then people would get weeded out during the class. people would be declared not good enough or simply quit because of the annoying start up process. So half of the applications approved for bloodlines/profiles etc no longer apply and the crew is just wasting their time. To save typing time, let's just say this is my exact thoughts on this matter. Hikaro_rin One new thing that Stormold reminded me of, crew needs to keep track of their promises. It seems like they forget things that have been suggested/requested/asked and never get back to it like they say they will. This tends to make such things as this thread, the suggestions thread and the like seem pointless. why bother making suggestions if people just say "good idea" then ignore you? There's not much point having an rp school without having someone run it. People occasionally start a class and then leave it to rot like Hinote and Mistah did. The rp school sign up thread is completely ignored. basically it seems like you are giving people false hopes by having it. either get rid of it or have someone running it, nothing else makes sense. There are times, when we do agree with something, but are busy with something else at the time. Then, when we have time to do {Insert X Here}, we've forgotten about it. I wish this were not the case, but we are human beings. And that comes along with all the flaws of humanity. Namely, we can make mistakes, tend to be ruled by our emotions, and generally have less than perfect memories. All that, and the need for rest. When it seems that a suggestion that was responded to with a "Good idea." as you said, yet never comes to pass, just bring it up again when things seem to be calmed down. Chances are we forgot about it. That beginners thread being a perfect example. A looong time ago, you suggested it, and it was accepted, yet forgotten. Awhile later the idea came up again, and I came to you for it, forced it down the crew's throats, and got it done in a couple days. Unfortunately, that's how a lot of things have to be done. Now, I'm not saying to force us into things by constant spam. That's the last thing you should do, because it will drive us away from doing it. When you want to see a turtle move, the last thing you should do is kick it's shell. Rather, put something tasty in front of it, and wait nearby to see what happens. ~ As for the school, I do have to apologize for that. It's something I was looking forward to doing at first, but rapidly tired of as other things came up.Again, human nature. (By the way, my statement of " I wish this were not the case, but we are human beings." should be taken in the most literal sense, ignoring applicable context.) ~ Kurgistar i agree it can be hectic but it would be better to have these kids release all of that pent-up tension rather then having them hold it in and fester into a malevolent hatred. I'm going by the context of Mistah's post on this one, assuming you're referring to public arguments. Public fights like that, are NOT the proper way to release that sort of tension. That tension is personal, between the two people, and not something to be let out in the middle of a random chatroom. The optimum way for it to be dealt with, is in PM. PM the person you're upset with, and work it out in private. When that doesn't work out, alternative measures must be taken. One such I myself used, by making a thread specifically for people to express their issues with myself in. Some took the offer and did so there, some PM'd me in response, but as far as I can tell, it worked. Those who accepted the offer to come directly to me, rather than holding it in and releasing at random someplace seem to have a better image of me now. Or at least haven't come out and started screaming about how horrible I am. The point of this is, if you have a problem with someone, don't hold it in, and don't release it in the guild someplace. Take it to that person. It will end better for everyone that way. It's a policy I have, and will, always uphold, and I hope others will too. You want less arguments in the guild and more happy RPing? Don't start the arguments in the guild, and don't continue them either. Take them where they belong.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:17 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Hikaro_rin Stormold ...And things should be easy to understand, the whole shinobi professions and types, chakra points... it's all confusing to someone who just joins. I think there should be a bit more breakdown in the welcome threads, less like guidelines and rules... more like an actual welcome. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised this doesn't exist yet. Especially since In the suggestions thread I made a beginners guide for the guild to use. It linked to everything a newbie needs to know making it easier to get started. I was even told it would be used. More on this later. An attempt has been made to create the guides you mentioned. Just, nobody seems to actually read them. Evidence for this being that even long time members apparently don't know about them. I'm not saying that they never were made, I'm saying that the ones were made aren't "friendly" to the newcomers. I double checked the links you used and I saw a wall of text I didn't even feel like reading, not very welcoming at all. Maybe if we broke it down a bit more, threw in some color... and yeah, it may sound a little childish and less professional looking... but it won't drive people away just because the top text is blue or green. And breaking it down, I'm thinking each topic be a different post with a different posting color. Easy to locate and reference.
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Wealthy Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:49 pm
iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. iShay-chan
I see the hints. Just picture it, craving to witness...
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Doing that isn't going to change anything. Enforcing a rule like that is going to give people more freedom to say whatever the hell they want. At least when the fight takes place within the guild, there is the illusion of a watchful eye being there to keep things from getting ridiculously out of hand. When matters are moved to private messages, that disappears.
I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think that any of the things you've said are going to help.
When you take away the element of rules and the element of a higher power delivering punishment, you give the people free reign to do wahtever the hell they please.
When you take that away, you take away whatever expectations you have.
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"But we blinked and missed it."
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:29 pm
I am still here. Although I am going to be inactive for awhile, I would still like to remain a member. I don't even know if this is where I should be posting this, but hey lol... I'll be returning as soon as I get off is epic grounded session. Which wont be until I get out if school in may... See u all then!
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:31 pm
@Stormy- Its okay. I'm not really in Mist, but I still love you anyway. heart
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:50 pm
iShay-chan iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. iShay-chan
I see the hints. Just picture it, craving to witness...
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Doing that isn't going to change anything. Enforcing a rule like that is going to give people more freedom to say whatever the hell they want. At least when the fight takes place within the guild, there is the illusion of a watchful eye being there to keep things from getting ridiculously out of hand. When matters are moved to private messages, that disappears.
I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think that any of the things you've said are going to help.
When you take away the element of rules and the element of a higher power delivering punishment, you give the people free reign to do wahtever the hell they please.
When you take that away, you take away whatever expectations you have.
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"But we blinked and missed it." What punishments get delivered around here? and what higher power enforces them?
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:51 pm
I have a possible solution to fixing the oto situation through story. Why not have that village merge or conquer another village so therefore the oto members who are unique are want to keep their characters can. Also you mark a village of the list so, and possibly double the numbers of a lesser active village. What do you think?
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:52 pm
iSix-kun iShay-chan iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. iShay-chan
I see the hints. Just picture it, craving to witness...
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Doing that isn't going to change anything. Enforcing a rule like that is going to give people more freedom to say whatever the hell they want. At least when the fight takes place within the guild, there is the illusion of a watchful eye being there to keep things from getting ridiculously out of hand. When matters are moved to private messages, that disappears.
I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think that any of the things you've said are going to help.
When you take away the element of rules and the element of a higher power delivering punishment, you give the people free reign to do wahtever the hell they please.
When you take that away, you take away whatever expectations you have.
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"But we blinked and missed it." What punishments get delivered around here? and what higher power enforces them? Greg and Ogoun. Trust me, A member got two. She is in her place now and respects what came to her last i checked. The rules work if you respect them.
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Wealthy Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:57 pm
Greg does. and that's enough of a threat.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:05 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Hikaro_rin Stormold ...And things should be easy to understand, the whole shinobi professions and types, chakra points... it's all confusing to someone who just joins. I think there should be a bit more breakdown in the welcome threads, less like guidelines and rules... more like an actual welcome. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised this doesn't exist yet. Especially since In the suggestions thread I made a beginners guide for the guild to use. It linked to everything a newbie needs to know making it easier to get started. I was even told it would be used. More on this later. Quote: I am ashamed of myself, I thought I checked to make sure this comment was still valid and didn't see. One thousand apologies my friend. Hinote Tosatsu There are times, when we do agree with something, but are busy with something else at the time. Then, when we have time to do {Insert X Here}, we've forgotten about it. I wish this were not the case, but we are human beings. And that comes along with all the flaws of humanity. Namely, we can make mistakes, tend to be ruled by our emotions, and generally have less than perfect memories. All that, and the need for rest. When it seems that a suggestion that was responded to with a "Good idea." as you said, yet never comes to pass, just bring it up again when things seem to be calmed down. Chances are we forgot about it. That beginners thread being a perfect example. A looong time ago, you suggested it, and it was accepted, yet forgotten. Awhile later the idea came up again, and I came to you for it, forced it down the crew's throats, and got it done in a couple days. Unfortunately, that's how a lot of things have to be done. Quote: I guess I didn't actually put my suggestion in there for some reason. I was supposed to say it might be a good Idea to have a thread in the crew forum where crew can post things that they intend to do when they get around to it. That way, if one can't get to it another can see it was something that was supposed to be done and do it themselves, or you can look through it and see, oh I forgot all about that! Of course there would be a little hassle involved with such an idea. You would have to delete things after they are taken care of or it would cause a lot of confusion. Or if such a thread exists it should be used more. That comment was meant as a suggestion not the complaint it came out as. It's really easy to sound like a d**k online isn't it? Hinote Tosatsu As for the school, I do have to apologize for that. It's something I was looking forward to doing at first, but rapidly tired of as other things came up.Again, human nature. Not intending to pass blame, you and Gregar are by far the hardest working crew members as far as I can see. Even if you weren't I would understand that such things are difficult to keep up on. Still, someone needs to be running the school or it's just acting as dead weight. If nothing else you could clean it up and have one of the threads state that since noone is in charge of the school you need to request rp classes in Q&A or via pm. Still, it would be absolutely awesome if someone was able to run it. Err, sorry if it sounded like i was attacking you. That was not the intent at all.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:12 pm
iMistah-kun Alright everyone, I have been gone for a while and I know that l left at probably the worst possible time. The guild has been undergoing small sessions of inactivity, we have been losing members left and right, gaining a bad reputation, and senseless bickering has become an epidemic in our forums. I have received plenty of private messages of people saying how unfair the crew is or how unruly some of our members are. There are some who say they want they want "the old POTS" back or that this guild is dying slowly, and at this state, I can not tell them whether or not their way of thinking is correct, but I can tell them that I plan on doing something about it. A guild is suppose to be a place where people can come to relax and mingle amongst others while experiencing the joy of role-playing. Together people are able to create entire worlds filled with wonder and excitement all through the use of words as new adventures unfold and characters grow through experience and meeting others. That is a guild and as much as I'm sure people might get pissed off at me for saying this, POTS does not meet these standards. I want to apologize to the members of our guild who feel as though we need some serious adjustments and I would like to inform you all that it is going to happen, sooner than you think. In this thread, I want everyone to voice their opinions IN A RESPECTABLE MANNER, of coarse. Any intentionally offensive post WILL BE DELETED. If you do happen to offend someone by accident, then simply apologize! I want every POTS member to speak, I want every voice to be heard. This a NO FLAMING ZONE, and no one, I repeat, NO ONE will be bashed for speaking out. A couple of things I want to address before this whole thing starts: - A New Storyline is already finished, we have just run into a couple of problems with starting it, but it will be starting ASAP. That is a promise. - The POTS newsletters will be coming back shortly and this next newsletter will be bigger and better than any of the previous ones. -I plan on making either a new thread of a new forum that is basically going to be a Feedback Forum. In some ways it will work in the same way the crew forum does but it will be open for the members to discuss and debate certain topics and improve the guild. - I'm sorry. This apology goes for everyone in the guild. Things were happening in my life that prevented me from being able to dedicate time to POTS, but now things are back under control. Please, post now.
.... Didn't I make a thread similar to this a while back, and everybody bitched about it, telling me it wasn't my place and then it got deleted?
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:41 pm
iLadyShira-chan iMistah-kun Alright everyone, I have been gone for a while and I know that l left at probably the worst possible time. The guild has been undergoing small sessions of inactivity, we have been losing members left and right, gaining a bad reputation, and senseless bickering has become an epidemic in our forums. I have received plenty of private messages of people saying how unfair the crew is or how unruly some of our members are. There are some who say they want they want "the old POTS" back or that this guild is dying slowly, and at this state, I can not tell them whether or not their way of thinking is correct, but I can tell them that I plan on doing something about it. A guild is suppose to be a place where people can come to relax and mingle amongst others while experiencing the joy of role-playing. Together people are able to create entire worlds filled with wonder and excitement all through the use of words as new adventures unfold and characters grow through experience and meeting others. That is a guild and as much as I'm sure people might get pissed off at me for saying this, POTS does not meet these standards. I want to apologize to the members of our guild who feel as though we need some serious adjustments and I would like to inform you all that it is going to happen, sooner than you think. In this thread, I want everyone to voice their opinions IN A RESPECTABLE MANNER, of coarse. Any intentionally offensive post WILL BE DELETED. If you do happen to offend someone by accident, then simply apologize! I want every POTS member to speak, I want every voice to be heard. This a NO FLAMING ZONE, and no one, I repeat, NO ONE will be bashed for speaking out. A couple of things I want to address before this whole thing starts: - A New Storyline is already finished, we have just run into a couple of problems with starting it, but it will be starting ASAP. That is a promise. - The POTS newsletters will be coming back shortly and this next newsletter will be bigger and better than any of the previous ones. -I plan on making either a new thread of a new forum that is basically going to be a Feedback Forum. In some ways it will work in the same way the crew forum does but it will be open for the members to discuss and debate certain topics and improve the guild. - I'm sorry. This apology goes for everyone in the guild. Things were happening in my life that prevented me from being able to dedicate time to POTS, but now things are back under control. Please, post now.
.... Didn't I make a thread similar to this a while back, and everybody bitched about it, telling me it wasn't my place and then it got deleted? yep
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:48 pm
LordTares I have a possible solution to fixing the oto situation through story. Why not have that village merge or conquer another village so therefore the oto members who are unique are want to keep their characters can. Also you mark a village of the list so, and possibly double the numbers of a lesser active village. What do you think?
And no Shira it isn't really the same Mistah is asking every one what they think is wrong you posted a while ago about threads taking to long to be responded to because some crew were mia and saying there was to much clutter... The two are very different.
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