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 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:39 am
xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... now that is quite a misunderstanding dear. sad you never STOP being his slaves. you are supposed to be happy and willing slaves, sacrifices to his will as it were. and you are at no point NOT his children and friends unless you are opposed to him. you are always all three at once. How'd I make that mistake? XD I guess I meant it more like your relationsip with Him is what you need it to be...sometimes He's more like your friend, sometimes your father, but your right, I put that wrong. Oops. xp heh. an ideal that i am trying to spread around the world is that Friendship is the ultimate expression of love. smile that you cannot be a good parent, or lover, or Master, or Slave, or pet, or cild or anything loving without first being a good friend.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:41 am
Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight now, @ EB: i agree with Shinzo on the "make your own worthe" thing. let me explain it. we have a drive to live by codes of good and evil, and to have a purpose by which to live. that purpose doesn't exist objectively, so we have to decide for ourselves why we live. that can be a scary thought for some people, i know, i have suffered years of suicidal depression because of the realization that i didn't have any purpose or reason. but i found a cause that makes me feel glad, and i feel that that is my purpose. we each have our own purpose, because we choose what that purpose is. we find it however we do, some by religion, others by causes, and still others simply choose one. I get the whole finding a purpose thing, but I don't think someone can make one in oneself without deluding themselves. I mean, how can you make a purpose in yourself when you know you won't last forever? by simply acknowledging the fact that you arn't meant to last forever. your purpose is for your life. it is supposed to be what makes you feel complete and accomplished while you live. it's no delusion. i know that i have no objective purpose, and i am ok with that. in fact, i have a certain relief because of it. smile i'm not bound by anything other than self-governance! biggrin it's an incredible feeling, knowing (or at least believing) that i can shape my own future. ^_^ I don't know how to deal with that. I've never had to come to terms with being temporal, because I've heard when we die we got to Heaven (so long as we're Saved), my whole life. I can kinda see we're you're coming from ^^, but from the beliefs that have been ingrained into me since a young age, it'd be a great loss to give up the knowledge eternity awaits me, and I don't have to worry about how temporary life is. i'm not saying there is no eternal afterlife. xd there is one. but in there, just like on this earth, your purpose is up to you. our life purpose is when we are alive. i know it makes no difference to you christians, what with your "heaven" and all that... personally... i think of heaven and hell as states of mind. i'm more inclined to think of the afterlife a plane of existence where all souls go to. i don't think that happiness/joy and pain/sadness can be eternal things. if it were, i'd just pray for oblivion or Nirvana. ._. i couldn't handle that kind of stagnancy. you shouldn't turn your head away from the fact that life is temporary. you will enjoy life more and better when you apreciate how fleeting it is. smile plus, it's such a peaceful reminder that all things, good and bad, eventually fade away. I do wonder about how God will work it out so eternal happiness won't become a bore, but I think it won't be that difficult. Boredom is a negative emotion, and excitement, thrill and anticipation are mostly positive one, so I think it'll be difficult for things to get stagnant. I usually turn to the fact when life's hard, but when thing's are blissful I think about how that's a glimpse of eternity. Thinking of myself or anyone else as temporary is kinda a foreign concept to me though...
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:45 am
xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight now, @ EB: i agree with Shinzo on the "make your own worthe" thing. let me explain it. we have a drive to live by codes of good and evil, and to have a purpose by which to live. that purpose doesn't exist objectively, so we have to decide for ourselves why we live. that can be a scary thought for some people, i know, i have suffered years of suicidal depression because of the realization that i didn't have any purpose or reason. but i found a cause that makes me feel glad, and i feel that that is my purpose. we each have our own purpose, because we choose what that purpose is. we find it however we do, some by religion, others by causes, and still others simply choose one. I get the whole finding a purpose thing, but I don't think someone can make one in oneself without deluding themselves. I mean, how can you make a purpose in yourself when you know you won't last forever? by simply acknowledging the fact that you arn't meant to last forever. your purpose is for your life. it is supposed to be what makes you feel complete and accomplished while you live. it's no delusion. i know that i have no objective purpose, and i am ok with that. in fact, i have a certain relief because of it. smile i'm not bound by anything other than self-governance! biggrin it's an incredible feeling, knowing (or at least believing) that i can shape my own future. ^_^ I don't know how to deal with that. I've never had to come to terms with being temporal, because I've heard when we die we got to Heaven (so long as we're Saved), my whole life. I can kinda see we're you're coming from ^^, but from the beliefs that have been ingrained into me since a young age, it'd be a great loss to give up the knowledge eternity awaits me, and I don't have to worry about how temporary life is. i'm not saying there is no eternal afterlife. xd there is one. but in there, just like on this earth, your purpose is up to you. our life purpose is when we are alive. i know it makes no difference to you christians, what with your "heaven" and all that... personally... i think of heaven and hell as states of mind. i'm more inclined to think of the afterlife a plane of existence where all souls go to. i don't think that happiness/joy and pain/sadness can be eternal things. if it were, i'd just pray for oblivion or Nirvana. ._. i couldn't handle that kind of stagnancy. you shouldn't turn your head away from the fact that life is temporary. you will enjoy life more and better when you apreciate how fleeting it is. smile plus, it's such a peaceful reminder that all things, good and bad, eventually fade away. I do wonder about how God will work it out so eternal happiness won't become a bore, but I think it won't be that difficult. Boredom is a negative emotion, and excitement, thrill and anticipation are mostly positive one, so I think it'll be difficult for things to get stagnant. I usually turn to the fact when life's hard, but when thing's are blissful I think about how that's a glimpse of eternity. Thinking of myself or anyone else as temporary is kinda a foreign concept to me though... mehhh... you enjoy yer favoured thought, and i'll enjoy min. ^_^ in the words of all the best people, Peace and Namaste.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:46 am
Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... now that is quite a misunderstanding dear. sad you never STOP being his slaves. you are supposed to be happy and willing slaves, sacrifices to his will as it were. and you are at no point NOT his children and friends unless you are opposed to him. you are always all three at once. How'd I make that mistake? XD I guess I meant it more like your relationsip with Him is what you need it to be...sometimes He's more like your friend, sometimes your father, but your right, I put that wrong. Oops. xp heh. an ideal that i am trying to spread around the world is that Friendship is the ultimate expression of love. smile that you cannot be a good parent, or lover, or Master, or Slave, or pet, or cild or anything loving without first being a good friend. I don't know that that's always what someone needs at first though; like an abused girl might need a loving Father, and an arrogant man might need a Master...I think He wants us to become friends with Him, but there's a time and season to it like everything else. And I think I gotta get off soon; it's about 3:45 where I am. xp
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:49 am
Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight confused by simply acknowledging the fact that you arn't meant to last forever. your purpose is for your life. it is supposed to be what makes you feel complete and accomplished while you live. it's no delusion. i know that i have no objective purpose, and i am ok with that. in fact, i have a certain relief because of it. smile i'm not bound by anything other than self-governance! biggrin it's an incredible feeling, knowing (or at least believing) that i can shape my own future. ^_^ I don't know how to deal with that. I've never had to come to terms with being temporal, because I've heard when we die we got to Heaven (so long as we're Saved), my whole life. I can kinda see we're you're coming from ^^, but from the beliefs that have been ingrained into me since a young age, it'd be a great loss to give up the knowledge eternity awaits me, and I don't have to worry about how temporary life is. i'm not saying there is no eternal afterlife. xd there is one. but in there, just like on this earth, your purpose is up to you. our life purpose is when we are alive. i know it makes no difference to you christians, what with your "heaven" and all that... personally... i think of heaven and hell as states of mind. i'm more inclined to think of the afterlife a plane of existence where all souls go to. i don't think that happiness/joy and pain/sadness can be eternal things. if it were, i'd just pray for oblivion or Nirvana. ._. i couldn't handle that kind of stagnancy. you shouldn't turn your head away from the fact that life is temporary. you will enjoy life more and better when you apreciate how fleeting it is. smile plus, it's such a peaceful reminder that all things, good and bad, eventually fade away. I do wonder about how God will work it out so eternal happiness won't become a bore, but I think it won't be that difficult. Boredom is a negative emotion, and excitement, thrill and anticipation are mostly positive one, so I think it'll be difficult for things to get stagnant. I usually turn to the fact when life's hard, but when thing's are blissful I think about how that's a glimpse of eternity. Thinking of myself or anyone else as temporary is kinda a foreign concept to me though... mehhh... you enjoy yer favoured thought, and i'll enjoy min. ^_^ in the words of all the best people, Peace and Namaste. ^_^ Sounds good. Good night, because I don't think I'll be doing anymore posting.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:59 am
xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... now that is quite a misunderstanding dear. sad you never STOP being his slaves. you are supposed to be happy and willing slaves, sacrifices to his will as it were. and you are at no point NOT his children and friends unless you are opposed to him. you are always all three at once. How'd I make that mistake? XD I guess I meant it more like your relationsip with Him is what you need it to be...sometimes He's more like your friend, sometimes your father, but your right, I put that wrong. Oops. xp heh. an ideal that i am trying to spread around the world is that Friendship is the ultimate expression of love. smile that you cannot be a good parent, or lover, or Master, or Slave, or pet, or cild or anything loving without first being a good friend. I don't know that that's always what someone needs at first though; like an abused girl might need a loving Father, and an arrogant man might need a Master...I think He wants us to become friends with Him, but there's a time and season to it like everything else. And I think I gotta get off soon; it's about 3:45 where I am. xp well see, you are misinterpreting what i mean. my definition of friend is someone who is always there for you, who loves you and is loyal to you, and who is ready to do whatever is best for your wellbeing. under that definition, a father being their for his daughter, and teaching her how to remain happy and strong-willed even in the face of an awful betrayal by some jerk, is an exact example of what i mean by being the best dad you can be by being the best friend you can be. get it? smile by being such a good and loving father he is being a good friend, the ultimate expression of love. and that friendship is in turn what makes him such a good father.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:58 pm
I wonder what Jesus would do if he had the money..
Billboard | Feed the hungry
Hmm.. billboard.. feed the hungry..
What a difficult decision.
Edit: I think if churches put their money to better use, they'd find a lot more people go to church. It's not as if the billboard will bring anyone to them.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:50 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife....
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:50 pm
Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight now that is quite a misunderstanding dear. sad you never STOP being his slaves. you are supposed to be happy and willing slaves, sacrifices to his will as it were. and you are at no point NOT his children and friends unless you are opposed to him. you are always all three at once. How'd I make that mistake? XD I guess I meant it more like your relationsip with Him is what you need it to be...sometimes He's more like your friend, sometimes your father, but your right, I put that wrong. Oops. xp heh. an ideal that i am trying to spread around the world is that Friendship is the ultimate expression of love. smile that you cannot be a good parent, or lover, or Master, or Slave, or pet, or cild or anything loving without first being a good friend. I don't know that that's always what someone needs at first though; like an abused girl might need a loving Father, and an arrogant man might need a Master...I think He wants us to become friends with Him, but there's a time and season to it like everything else. And I think I gotta get off soon; it's about 3:45 where I am. xp well see, you are misinterpreting what i mean. my definition of friend is someone who is always there for you, who loves you and is loyal to you, and who is ready to do whatever is best for your wellbeing. under that definition, a father being their for his daughter, and teaching her how to remain happy and strong-willed even in the face of an awful betrayal by some jerk, is an exact example of what i mean by being the best dad you can be by being the best friend you can be. get it? smile by being such a good and loving father he is being a good friend, the ultimate expression of love. and that friendship is in turn what makes him such a good father. I see. Your using friend in a more general way then I normally do, but what you're saying makes sense. ^^
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:53 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... You'll have to explain further...
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:55 pm
She and Him
I wonder what Jesus would do if he had the money..
Billboard | Feed the hungry
Hmm.. billboard.. feed the hungry..
What a difficult decision.
Edit: I think if churches put their money to better use, they'd find a lot more people go to church. It's not as if the billboard will bring anyone to them.
Good point...
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:05 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight now that is quite a misunderstanding dear. sad you never STOP being his slaves. you are supposed to be happy and willing slaves, sacrifices to his will as it were. and you are at no point NOT his children and friends unless you are opposed to him. you are always all three at once. How'd I make that mistake? XD I guess I meant it more like your relationsip with Him is what you need it to be...sometimes He's more like your friend, sometimes your father, but your right, I put that wrong. Oops. xp heh. an ideal that i am trying to spread around the world is that Friendship is the ultimate expression of love. smile that you cannot be a good parent, or lover, or Master, or Slave, or pet, or cild or anything loving without first being a good friend. I don't know that that's always what someone needs at first though; like an abused girl might need a loving Father, and an arrogant man might need a Master...I think He wants us to become friends with Him, but there's a time and season to it like everything else. And I think I gotta get off soon; it's about 3:45 where I am. xp well see, you are misinterpreting what i mean. my definition of friend is someone who is always there for you, who loves you and is loyal to you, and who is ready to do whatever is best for your wellbeing. under that definition, a father being their for his daughter, and teaching her how to remain happy and strong-willed even in the face of an awful betrayal by some jerk, is an exact example of what i mean by being the best dad you can be by being the best friend you can be. get it? smile by being such a good and loving father he is being a good friend, the ultimate expression of love. and that friendship is in turn what makes him such a good father. I see. Your using friend in a more general way then I normally do, but what you're saying makes sense. ^^ aye, in a way i am. smile my point is, i see Friendship as, as i keep saying, the Ultimate Expression of Love.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:10 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... You'll have to explain further... Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus posed this question a few questions. It poses the existence of evil and has stumped almost all Christians and most religious folk.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:12 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... You'll have to explain further... Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus posed this question a few questions. It poses the existence of evil and has stumped almost all Christians and most religious folk.glad i heard this. good way to put my belief that he either does not live, or is malevolant.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:58 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Now, depending on the god I could understand but to the christian god, it seems like puppets played for an audience of few. That's how it starts, kinda...we're supposed to be His servants at first. Later on though, we get to be His children, His friends...We're called kings and saints in the Bible! Plus, the other half of it is the Bible says you only get to choose between two masters, and if you serve yourself, then you're really serving the devil. So you basically get to choose between an amazing Dad who spoils you with grace and heavenly riches later on, or the illusion of being in charge of yourself, and worse then bubkis in the afterlife.... You'll have to explain further... Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus posed this question a few questions. It poses the existence of evil and has stumped almost all Christians and most religious folk.Ah, that. Okay, it's that He is able, but He doesn't because love demands there is a choice. Evil comes from seperating from God, and doing what is against His will, and He needed to offer us the option of being able to do wrong because He didn't want us enslaved to His will, but wanted us to love Him of our own accord. He intended us to have a high place (I think there's even a verse that says He set us only a little below Him, but I might have that wrong). Considering that high place, I'm guessing we had to go through something more intense then the rest of creation. rolleyes And no, it hasn't stumped 'almost all Christians'. I bet that most haven't even seen that, and if I'm not completely stumped by that, and I'm not all that brillant, then there's probably Christians smarter then me who could come up with an argument that blows that out of the water. Plus if it had everyone so stumped, the church wouldn't exist.
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