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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:51 pm
to answear the question of why you need and have your religions: Some people believe in a higher power because they want a reason for being and desire some direction to live a moral life. The Bible for instance is a great source book for a moral code of ethics. I never argued that but there are other books that mention gods and goddesses with moral choices that are complete works of fiction. Others except their religion because they were raised that way and don't question it because they saw no reason to. I don't hate people for their beliefs and I don't expect them to question them so if you have one good for you you are trying to better yourself as an Athiest I to am on the same path of trying to better myself I just don't use a book or text of any type to guide me, I use life experience instead. This is as politically correct as I can be so please don't hurl insults at me for it I tire of that game.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:16 pm
Vadasz Ravenari I may have used some poor choice in words to get my point across but I never insulted any religion in particular everyone just assumes I'm talking about theirs. No, you insulted all of them. That's hardly better.Quote: And my thoughts are just the same as your beliefs so by accusing me over and over again of being intolerent is a moot point when every religion insults my mode of thinking. First of all, if you read the thread, you'll notice that most of the people who have an issue with your post are atheists. Second, every religion does not insult your way of thinking. Some do, but even in those religions, not every single follower of that religion will condemn you for your beliefs. You're lumping theists into one stereotyped group. Quote: I would like it better if you attacked my idea's instead of calling me ignorant that's childish and I've been trying to have an adult conversation so we could reach some sort of understanding at some point. First of all, your argument was incoherent and unorganized to begin with. By all means, your English doesn't have to be perfect. But people need to be able to read the post to debate it. And I don't think you're attempting an adult conversation at all. You didn't read the thread. You didn't respond to anything in the thread. You just stated what you don't like about religion. Which is fine. But please don't pretend that it was anything but that.Quote: It seems to me that intstead of giving valid aguments people on this fourm just want to insult my intelligence and post non-witty one liners. That's not debate people that's an argument. Not many people in this guild have had this problem. Isn't it possible that it's just you? That maybe people don't like being talked down to?Quote: try posting something that isn't down right uncivil and maybe we could talk like humans not animals. If everone is incapable of rising to that challange then why post anything at all. Animals don't talk.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:19 pm
Emerald Dragoness So . . . Maybe it's because I've been raised Catholic...but I don't get it. Like, I'm sitting, staring at my computer screen, going ".......say what?"
I don't understand why you can't embrace the idea of God (or even a higher power). Wouldn't it be better to believe and have that love in your life, even if, in the end, you could be wrong and therefore not have an afterlife? Or if there really is a God (which I believe there is) isn't it better to be safe than sorry? [@_@; Please be nice to me....Dx I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just don't get it...] We get love from people around us. If we spent our lives worshiping a god who was't there, that would be a huge waste of life.
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:06 am
Vadasz Ravenari to answear the question of why you need and have your religions: Some people believe in a higher power because they want a reason for being and desire some direction to live a moral life. The Bible for instance is a great source book for a moral code of ethics. I never argued that but there are other books that mention gods and goddesses with moral choices that are complete works of fiction. Others except their religion because they were raised that way and don't question it because they saw no reason to. I don't hate people for their beliefs and I don't expect them to question them so if you have one good for you you are trying to better yourself as an Athiest I to am on the same path of trying to better myself I just don't use a book or text of any type to guide me, I use life experience instead. This is as politically correct as I can be so please don't hurl insults at me for it I tire of that game. 1. I've never been a big fan of political correctness and most of the time I think it's a** backwards so feel free to speak your mind at least with me and I'm assuming this is a response to my question? 2. So you don't know why people need their religions and/or their Gods you just have a couple of hypothesis that make sense to you but may or may not be true to a significant amount of people. 3. Cool. I'm trying to better myself too and I'm using life experience as well biggrin
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:28 pm
1. I've never been a big fan of political correctness and most of the time I think it's a** backwards so feel free to speak your mind at least with me and I'm assuming this is a response to my question?
2. So you don't know why people need their religions and/or their Gods you just have a couple of hypothesis that make sense to you but may or may not be true to a significant amount of people.
3. Cool. I'm trying to better myself too and I'm using life experience as well ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally someone who doesn't want to fling insults at me personally. So what's your reason for having a religion? If I am wrong I'd like to learn why.
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:20 pm
Osto faro Emerald Dragoness So . . . Maybe it's because I've been raised Catholic...but I don't get it. Like, I'm sitting, staring at my computer screen, going ".......say what?"
I don't understand why you can't embrace the idea of God (or even a higher power). Wouldn't it be better to believe and have that love in your life, even if, in the end, you could be wrong and therefore not have an afterlife? Or if there really is a God (which I believe there is) isn't it better to be safe than sorry? [@_@; Please be nice to me....Dx I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just don't get it...] We get love from people around us. If we spent our lives worshiping a god who was't there, that would be a huge waste of life. I don't get it for this reason: if there's no afterlife then it doesn't matter if we waste life because all life is a waste anyways. Eventually we, and then our loved ones go into non-existance, and the universe follows. And it's not a waste even if the above point didn't matter, because our perceptions skew the world anyway. Better to be skewed and happy, then skewed and hopeless. (But of course that's just my opinion. sweatdrop )
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:10 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Osto faro Emerald Dragoness So . . . Maybe it's because I've been raised Catholic...but I don't get it. Like, I'm sitting, staring at my computer screen, going ".......say what?"
I don't understand why you can't embrace the idea of God (or even a higher power). Wouldn't it be better to believe and have that love in your life, even if, in the end, you could be wrong and therefore not have an afterlife? Or if there really is a God (which I believe there is) isn't it better to be safe than sorry? [@_@; Please be nice to me....Dx I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just don't get it...] We get love from people around us. If we spent our lives worshiping a god who was't there, that would be a huge waste of life. I don't get it for this reason: if there's no afterlife then it doesn't matter if we waste life because all life is a waste anyways. Eventually we, and then our loved ones go into non-existance, and the universe follows. And it's not a waste even if the above point didn't matter, because our perceptions skew the world anyway. Better to be skewed and happy, then skewed and hopeless. (But of course that's just my opinion. sweatdrop ) Well we believe this is the only life we get, so we might as well enjoy it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:38 am
You know, I can sort-of see the idea of "do it just in case because it wouldn't really harm you just to do it". People do these kinds of things, often it makes sense. Many scientists claim there's no proof that it's our use of fossil fuel that causes global warming, but it can't hurt moving onto cleaner sources of energy, would it?
However, any religion would claim to be right, the road to heaven (okay, not all of them, but many of them). How would you know which one to choose? Should we just bet, just in case? Maybe it's Christianity? And who's right? Protestants? Catholics? Muslims? Buddhists? You can't really tell for sure, and as far as I'm concerned, they're all at the exact same spot. I wouldn't choose any of them, because none of them makes any more sense than the other to me.
I don't think you'd choose a religion just for the sake of it. Religion is something you're supposed to also feel, to believe with your entire heart and soul, isn't that so?
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:46 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:19 pm
Thanks for clearing all this up! I didn't really get what went on with atheists, so now I have a general idea. smile
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:41 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I don't get it for this reason: if there's no afterlife then it doesn't matter if we waste life because all life is a waste anyways. Eventually we, and then our loved ones go into non-existance, and the universe follows. And it's not a waste even if the above point didn't matter, because our perceptions skew the world anyway. Better to be skewed and happy, then skewed and hopeless. (But of course that's just my opinion. sweatdrop ) I don't get how a god gives any more meaning to life than no god. Isn't life in itself worth enough? Why can't it just be living for its own sake, why do you need to believe there's another meaning on top of that? Do you think God is wondering "Why am I here?".
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:05 pm
Artto xxEternallyBluexx I don't get it for this reason: if there's no afterlife then it doesn't matter if we waste life because all life is a waste anyways. Eventually we, and then our loved ones go into non-existance, and the universe follows. And it's not a waste even if the above point didn't matter, because our perceptions skew the world anyway. Better to be skewed and happy, then skewed and hopeless. (But of course that's just my opinion. sweatdrop ) I don't get how a god gives any more meaning to life than no god. Isn't life in itself worth enough? Why can't it just be living for its own sake, why do you need to believe there's another meaning on top of that? Do you think God is wondering "Why am I here?". Because then this isn't the end. You and your famly are living so you can be better in some place permanent, and while who you are does change, it still will always exist in one for or another. Without eternity, all that you've gone trough doesn't matter one whit. Without God, there's no explanation for eternity, or why love and relationships are important. Plus if you know Him it feels worse then losing a family member when you doubt His existence. No. The Trinity means He fulfills Himself. He doesn't need us, but He does love us and want us to choose Him.
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:36 pm
xxEternallyBluexx No. The Trinity means He fulfills Himself. He doesn't need us, but He does love us and want us to choose Him. Can't every person fulfil them self? Semi-related quote from an unknown author: "I will not die, it is the world that will end".
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:19 pm
I actually understand and respect Atheism. In my self searching, I have found many things that make sense and feel right to me, that do not seem to fit any "pre-made" religious moral code. As far as there being something out there....I do not believe in an omnipotent being. I DO believe in a collective of positive energy. Perhaps when people encounter it, they give it shape so they can comprehend.
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:45 am
Ice_Veins I DO believe in a collective of positive energy. Please elaborate.
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