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 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:08 pm
Hey now, I didn't delete any of it.
At all.
Hono deleted her post thereby negating her suggestion, so the argument afterwards really belonged here, and not in suggestion box at all.
If you wanna keep bad vibes happening, that's your problem, I just wanted people to get a grip and take it where it belonged.
If anything NI and Fen were being over sensitive about being called a club.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:16 pm
I was wondering what the hell club was supposed to mean. With a follow-up post that suggested she should actually look at the thread. In so many words.
But I decided to pseudo-delete it because people get bent out of shape so easily.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:45 pm
Sunstrike Hey now, I didn't delete any of it. At all. Hono deleted her post thereby negating her suggestion, so the argument afterwards really belonged here, and not in suggestion box at all. The record shows that Sunstrike deleted a post from this thread last night. And Hono didn't delete her suggestion, she whited it out. Therefore, your comment is misleading. Throw that in with that there's a page of discussion but no posts by Hono, it certainly seems like there's something missing. Sorry for misunderstanding, then.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:01 pm
>.o I erm....deleted my own post telling everyone to chill out over it sweatdrop
Hono just had the one suggestion, before whiting it out and saying something I wasn't sure should have been deleted or not, so I talked it over with Fen and NI, decided to move on.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:11 pm
Why was the title for the OOC lounge changed to Drop it? It makes no sense... There was no dispute.....
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:37 pm
do you have a dispute about its name? ask that in ooc and stuff.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:44 pm
Well... Yes. I was confused as to where the OOC lounge went to because I was look for the words, bigger Better Badder, or something along those lines. and I said "WTF!" really loud RL. So, It's perfectly logical to me, change it back.
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:51 pm
Nothing is being changed back. The title is never constant for more than two days.
Now stop spamming the dispute thread.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:16 pm
I want to take Lament with the army I've created. Ryugi wants no part of it. Ryugi Kazamaru ((Just so you know, I'm EXTREMELY opposed to fighting another one of your armies. There was a very large discussion in the OOC about this situation, and as of yet, no one has given Jello a good enough reason as to WHY you cannot simply go around my city and avoid this whole situation. I'm asking you nicely, as a fellow RPer, out of respect. Please, find another way to get where you're going that does not involve me, or my properties. People in this thread are having fun doing their own thing. And several people have brought up complaints about your army marching into the thread. I believe it would be unfair to them for me turn turn the city into a warzone while they are still going about their business. So, please consider what I've said, and find some way to edit your plans. I do not believe I am being unreasonable in my request.)) MerDefsGirl Response ((You are not the only one in existence with a storyline, with a city. What's the point of this guild exactly if you can't even fight a decent battle. Are you so superior that challenge is beneath you? Why even bother to create a fortress city that nobody is allowed to attack. Do opposing armies just disappear or walk away because someone happens to get pissed? Also, I don't give a red cent for the ludicrous nonsense of the OOC. If you can't welcome a challenge, or handle a threat, that's your problem, not mine or anyone elses. People are affected by war and battle, those involved should make that a part of their story instead of complaining. I never whined and b***h because an outside event effects my characters plans, I adjusted to the circumstances. Just because this is 'role play', doesn't make it a love fest were everybodies life follows a neat little package and nothing inconvenient ever happens. Is strategic RP out of the question here? Is this guild only about one-on-one combat. Is not possible to have a set guidelines for combat between nations and npc armies? I would support this, else how can you really play out a war, a siege, a battle I just wanted to finish out a rp to a conclusion, what I've been building up to has led me here. The excitement of a good well written strategic battle RP is in spending time, effort, and creativity making a half ways realistic force force. In not knowing the result of how using that force is going to take you. You already know I fully intended a campaign on Lament. If that is ruining your fun, I'll back off, but not without RL objections as a fellow role-player. If a created a city and didn't want or have time to defend it, I'd give it to someone else and let them defend, ruin, run, it as they see fit. Or I'd role-play it out and see if I could gain enjoyment out of the defense even if I lost. What I certainly wouldn't do, is whine like a bratty child that it wasn't fair. At the very least, we should bring this before the mods, and let them decide what is and isn't allowed, to set the guidlines for the scenario. If they say I'm against the regulations and spirit of the guild, then I'll leave without even an objection. I'll take no further action until this matter is settled. MDG)) I'll leave this for the mods to sort. If the attack is allowed, if any units involved are too big or scary powerful. If building and running a military industrial complex is even allowed? I think there are issues here that have repurcussions and effects on the way people are allowed to write here. The main issue being is campaign Role-play allowed, or is it the domain of the mods, or is onlt one-on-one battle acceptable.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:30 pm
As was stated clearly and repeatedly in the earlier discussion on this topic: "Give me a good reason why the army has to go through that city." I doubt that you're really intending to occupy the city, you just want an army battle and then you'll go on to do whatever it is that you're doing. There have been several (read: SEVERAL) complaints from virtually every other individual RPing in that thread about not wanting to have your pretend army disrupt their fun, so as Spock said: "The good of the many outweighs the good of the one." So give me a good reason why letting you get your kicks tromping all over that city is worth ruining the day of six other people to do it. If you want to play with armies, Darsh plays with armies. Hugin sometimes plays army. Impact and Fenrir would likely play army. Ryugi just wants to play house. In answer to your question, yes. Yes, this guild is built around 1vs1 conflicts, but we've made an effort to incorporate 1vsMany and ManyvsMany conflicts as well; however at the heart it is still a 1vs1 environment and we have not put down rules or guidelines for what is acceptable on the ManyvsMany scale. I've already asked the HIGH COUNCIL to discuss this and consider making a public statement about our Make-Believe Army policy. However, you have NO RIGHT to say "half ways realistic force" when your army numbers in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:44 pm
Quote: However, you have NO RIGHT to say "half ways realistic force" when your army numbers in the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. Actually slightly less than a hundred thousand. With much powerful equipment. All of which added a few thousand posts to the guild count to create. A few thousand seriously written, effort laden posts. Also, as for fake army, yes. THIS IS ALL A PRODUCT OF THE CREATIVE IMAGINATION. DON'T YOU PEOPLE KNOW THIS. Quote: I doubt that you're really intending to occupy the city, you just want an army battle and then you'll go on to do whatever it is that you're doing. I fully intend to occupy the city if I can. The whole through thing, is just justification nonsense nations use to justify aggresion. Quote: "Give me a good reason why the army has to go through that city. So give me a good reason why letting you get your kicks tromping all over that city is worth ruining the day of six other people to do it. " Give me a good reason why I can't. I'm sure no one would give a s**t if my day was ruined. funny quote of the week Ryugi just wants to play house. If Ryugi wants to play house he should make a house thread, complete with a mommy, daddy, and little children. He shouldn't build a fortress city with a fifty foot thick steel wall and a massive gun tower protected by a super powered generators and a veteren garrison. Quote: I've already asked the HIGH COUNCIL to discuss this and consider making a public statement about our Make-Believe Army policy. This is good, it will mitigate future conflict. If you want to make, War Free Zones, as much as I dislike the idea, that is fine. As for armies, when Darsh turned on traitor on Yaits City after the first failed attack. I welcomed it and enjoyed the fight, fought as hard as a writer could. It was all worth it. I didn't whine that I wanted to play house.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:51 pm
I'm gone till sometime in the near future, play nice folks.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:54 pm
MerDefsGirl Actually slightly less than a hundred thousand. MerDefsGirl, in a post in West Fall City a small army of about 70,000 formed the intitial vanguard. Another force of about 50,000 was organized, equipped with a few trucks and a number of T-80 battle tanks. Two snippets from your thread. The casual way in which these numbers are stated as well as that it was called "a small army" really doesn't do much for making me believe in your statistics. MerDefsGirl Give me a good reason why I can't. themightyjello There have been several (read: SEVERAL) complaints from virtually every other individual RPing in that thread about not wanting to have your pretend army disrupt their fun, so as Spock said: "The good of the many outweighs the good of the one." MerDefsGirl This is good, it will mitigate future conflict. If you want to make, War Free Zones, as much as I dislike the idea, that is fine. It'll probably end up being more along the lines of War Zones. As well as rules on what does and what does not qualify as a severe case of powergaming (just like we do with individual character powersets). Places you can play army with other people that want to play army.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:15 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:54 pm
If Ryugi just wants to play house then he shouldn't have built a city, or put up so much resistance to resist any attacks.
The armaments he has alone should be sufficient to take out undead, or magic users or even normal soldiers.
I say the assault goes through and the reason for that is on principle alone; the principle being that this is a fighting a guild, whether its one on one fighting or many versus many fighting.
If people want "war free zones" then they can create out of the way places, like Maxi's island, or actually have a residence in a large city where they don't necesseraly have to react to any assaults going on and let others worry about it and come back when the dust settles.
When the Greeks came for the Trojans, they did not simply leave when the Trojans asked them to.
As it was said in the movie: "All these men did not cross the sea just to see two men fight."
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