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 Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:53 am
ambrose_sallia I suppose xp But back on the topic of it being monolithic, how will we ever summon the energy to so much as dent something that big? confused I vote we let it be and when it falls, it falls 3nodding
Letting it be always seems to me to be the best option... unless of course, other people are screwing it up. @.@ how can we figure that out?
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:15 am
sweatdrop i think i'm being ignored. ohwell. *goes back to reading book*
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:14 am
noblelyon Koemiko Supposedly, someone is supposed to stop the fighting. A girl, at that. I won't give you the exact words, though. Why? Remember the Dark Crystal? It was prophecized that the change would be brought about by a specific race. So as a result, that race was hunted down to the last two. Same goes with this one. I won't go into details because, if it is true, I don't want these types of people sought out and destroyed. according to what i know about the veil, this is absolutely correct. my tutor and many of my friends are very conscious about the veil, but that is a prophecy, would you all like an update? the "dark crystal" is supposedly where the veil originates. legend has it that it is somewhere between the tigris and euphrates river, close to where life began. The "race" that has been whittled down to two, not by hunting, but by inter-breeding. They are a boy and a girl, walking hopelessly around trying to find meaning to their lives. according to the legend, they will awaken when they see each other. the other world where the war was supposed to take place also seems to exist. there are rumors about someone actually making the trip between the worlds, but this is only rumor and speculation. The veil is pretty much under wraps and kept from many people to be kept from leaking to "the survivors" ... I did not know that ninja But do all prophecies come true? This could be just like many religious texts- a guess at the truth that turns out entirely wrong xp Was the guy and girl wandering aimlessly until they meet each other thing actually foretold by an angel? confused True or not, only time will tell 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:21 am
My understnading is that the veil is what was placed around all of us to keep the spirit world from the physical world. If the veil falls then otherkin would be blatantly obvious and the physical plane would become a spiritual plane with physical bodies. I say kill the MFer already! No veil and we all see the spirits!
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:08 pm
ambrose_sallia noblelyon Koemiko Supposedly, someone is supposed to stop the fighting. A girl, at that. I won't give you the exact words, though. Why? Remember the Dark Crystal? It was prophecized that the change would be brought about by a specific race. So as a result, that race was hunted down to the last two. Same goes with this one. I won't go into details because, if it is true, I don't want these types of people sought out and destroyed. according to what i know about the veil, this is absolutely correct. my tutor and many of my friends are very conscious about the veil, but that is a prophecy, would you all like an update? the "dark crystal" is supposedly where the veil originates. legend has it that it is somewhere between the tigris and euphrates river, close to where life began. The "race" that has been whittled down to two, not by hunting, but by inter-breeding. They are a boy and a girl, walking hopelessly around trying to find meaning to their lives. according to the legend, they will awaken when they see each other. the other world where the war was supposed to take place also seems to exist. there are rumors about someone actually making the trip between the worlds, but this is only rumor and speculation. The veil is pretty much under wraps and kept from many people to be kept from leaking to "the survivors" ... I did not know that ninja But do all prophecies come true? This could be just like many religious texts- a guess at the truth that turns out entirely wrong xp Was the guy and girl wandering aimlessly until they meet each other thing actually foretold by an angel? confused True or not, only time will tell 3nodding dear god i hope so. there is supposed to be a war that will flare up soon. a gigantic war... and in the end, one side will break the veil totally. so it is foretold. and my freinds and i have debated what we have heard about otherkin getting their "soul forms." We came to the conclusion that the veil will break spiritual and astral barriers too... the thought vaguely scares me
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:10 pm
noblelyon ambrose_sallia noblelyon Koemiko Supposedly, someone is supposed to stop the fighting. A girl, at that. I won't give you the exact words, though. Why? Remember the Dark Crystal? It was prophecized that the change would be brought about by a specific race. So as a result, that race was hunted down to the last two. Same goes with this one. I won't go into details because, if it is true, I don't want these types of people sought out and destroyed. according to what i know about the veil, this is absolutely correct. my tutor and many of my friends are very conscious about the veil, but that is a prophecy, would you all like an update? the "dark crystal" is supposedly where the veil originates. legend has it that it is somewhere between the tigris and euphrates river, close to where life began. The "race" that has been whittled down to two, not by hunting, but by inter-breeding. They are a boy and a girl, walking hopelessly around trying to find meaning to their lives. according to the legend, they will awaken when they see each other. the other world where the war was supposed to take place also seems to exist. there are rumors about someone actually making the trip between the worlds, but this is only rumor and speculation. The veil is pretty much under wraps and kept from many people to be kept from leaking to "the survivors" ... I did not know that ninja But do all prophecies come true? This could be just like many religious texts- a guess at the truth that turns out entirely wrong xp Was the guy and girl wandering aimlessly until they meet each other thing actually foretold by an angel? confused True or not, only time will tell 3nodding dear god i hope so. there is supposed to be a war that will flare up soon. a gigantic war... and in the end, one side will break the veil totally. so it is foretold. and my freinds and i have debated what we have heard about otherkin getting their "soul forms." We came to the conclusion that the veil will break spiritual and astral barriers too... the thought vaguely scares me Ok, I don't mean to be too much of a skeptic or anything but that all sounds a little fishy. What is your source? Where is this theory drawn from? Cuz, I gotta do a little investiagation of my own to check this out.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:19 pm
Honestly, this is the first time I have ever heard of the existence of the Veil. If you stand back and try to look at how life could be in the future, I'm not sure how this Veil falling would be a good thing, at all. (this is probably going to be a really long post, sorry sweatdrop If you don't want to read it, by all means feel free to skip it.) What I am going to be talking about in this post deals mostly with the physical aspect of the future, in relation to the same timeframe as when the Veil might collapse if it is in the near future. Everyone hears so many different things about things failing with nature or with human beings and that it will affect us in the future. For example, the things that are happening now in terms of physically: 1) Global Warming (obviously, we have all heard about that one) 2) Severe weather changes; unusual weather; more tornados/hurricanes; more flooding in some places. These are just some of the things dealing with the physical that are predicted: 1) An ice age is overdue.2) Sperm count is getting lower in males due to the chemicals in womens' birth control pills not getting filtered out in our drinking water, expected the population will go down severely by 2050, and may be nonexistant by 2070-2080 (read about half way down, if you want to find it quickly). 3) This is just a speculation made by many including myself, but World War 3 will break out and with the population that survives, there will be very few unharmed by radioactive warfare. Now these are just things that are happening physically or could very well happen in our lifetime. To relate this to the veil, or more like what would most likely happen if/when the veil falls...
Most likely we will be going through such choas in our physical world, and most likely most people would not be able to handle the trauma from events that will unfold. To add on that something may happen with the spirit in the same timeframe would most likely become unbearable. Just a side note... not only is there an increase of spiritual awareness & more use of magick, there is also an increase of more reported mental illnesses worldwide. Perhaps this is a sign that not only is our physical selves going to change, but also our mental selves as well. Some prophecies or speculations from the prophecies: 1) Mayan calendar stops at year 2012 - some predict the end of the world, others predict the beginning of a new era.2) I believe it was Nostradamus who said in one of his prophecies that the way that the world will die is that we will be grasping at the earth's roots to survive, (aka we will die of starvation) and some say we might turn to cannablism. Some say that this is already starting to happen - just look at some places in Africa. People are dying daily from starvation and dehydration or disease. Quote: Century 1 verse 67
The great famine which I sense approaching
Will often turn in various areas then become world-wide.
It will be so vast and long lasting that they will grab roots
From the trees and children from the breast. - http://www.ogmium.com/bookoflife/index-1.html 3) "Killer" asteroid is expected to hit Earth at unknown time - could be by 2020, could be hundreds of years later. 4) The Piscean Age is ending. Some say with in the Age of Aquarius, we shall have equal respect and love for each other, resulting in peace all over the world. (think of it like uhhh the Age of Hippies I guess xp ) 5) The Veil will collaspe within the next 25 years. 6) The New World Order may make itself known and happen within this lifetime. 7) In the next decade or two, or even sooner, we will be entering an ascension. Some people believe that those who have not prepared for ascension will be lost in the dust, and left behind, so to speak. ... There are many other prophecies and predictions about 2012, as well many other ways the world could end at least physically in the near future. If we look at our society as it is now, how many of us would have the survival skills needed to live as instinctual animals, if it came down to it? How many would know how to hunt daily and escape predators, and survive? What if there were no more resources left, all other animals had perished, water had dried up, and there was no more vegetation? Most likely we won't be able to survive physically. I believe that especially with the Age ending and the new one beginning, maybe we might just exist spiritually and mentally? Although I have always believed that you cannot have just those two without the body, although I also feel that the body is just a shell. I think that if the Veil does exist, then what Kariston was mentioning about the backdraft of energies... that would kind of make sense. And what Yagi said about the null-field from people who don't believe in these things, makes sense too. But really, I have no idea because like I said this is the first time that I have heard of the Veil at all. You might think that all of this may be slightly off-topic, but I would really like to just throw this out there to make sure people also think of what is happening now in the world and what else has already been predicted. It may help in better depicting how things may happen if the Veil falls if you connect things in real life. *shrugs* Ehh, most likely everything that I've just said probably doesn't have any significance and I apologize for the long post then. sweatdrop sad I tried to make it more interesting with a bunch of links, hope it helped. Disclaimer//I do not take any responsibility for any of the content in the websites listed above. Please note that I may or may not agree with the opinions and views of the authors of each website. Also, since it is the internet afterall, I cannot verify any of these findings to be fact. In my view, they are mearly speculations.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:38 pm
Facinating... You are really smart and I am glad to have you here in the guild. ^ ^ Thank's also for the links, I would post more if I had any to back up my ramblings. I am familiar with most of the concepts present, although not with the New World Order, I find that interesting. Personally, I think reduction in population would be a good thing, because we are overpopulated as it is, and god forbid we ask people to actually have a little self control while screwing, lets just have too many kids.
As well, I think I may have a solution to your little problem of us needing bodies, yet bodies being just shells, albeit it is a little convuluted. What if we had spiritual bodies? Not bodies of energy, like the astral, but bodies, made of matter like ours, which hungered and breathed and bled, only living on a separate plane from ours. This is where I believe we will end up. Funny how I try to keep what I deem "secret" or "contriversial" hidden, then someone goes and posts and pretty much anticipates it, and then I can simply share more with my guildmates.
As for the Veil, you do paint a realistic, if negative picture. Although I am full of hope for it, I am in I think the minority, seriously worrying about the Veil falling. I believe in the information I have come across, the Veil possibly would cause widespread devastation, like the literal sky falling, with millions perishing, those unable to cope simply killed off, a smaller Doomsday. ... *sighs* But if the Veil falls, I don't know if we can stop it, nor if we should. I've noted before that I think if we try to keep the Veil up improperly, we could cause just as much damage, and possibly the Veil will not be so distructive if it happens how it is supposted to. I think at this point, we should do our best to understand the Veil before we decide about it.
On that note, I will add an Veil thread in the Research forum.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:44 pm
the veil falling means the end of the war. It is SUPPOSED to bring some sort of peace thoughihave no idea why
I'm no specialist, i heard most of this secondhand from my friends. (and i will be hard pressed to get Devin anywhere near this site.)
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:39 pm
Jinxxed Just a side note... not only is there an increase of spiritual awareness & more use of magick, there is also an increase of more reported mental illnesses worldwide. Perhaps this is a sign that not only is our physical selves going to change, but also our mental selves as well. In the largely famed book, Psychic Self Defense, Dion Fortune mentions how it is very well likely that the psychic may have a touch of paranoia and slight schizophrenia and the schizophrenic may be having some psychic contact. It was written over fifty years ago, so it's really a phenomonal book although a bit complex. Anyways, it does seem pretty logically linked. Psychologists even have a mental disease called "Magical Thinking." The reason for this is because they believe it boarders schizophrenia and thus count it as a warning sign or a signal flare that might later call for more attention. Sorry about that! I had to jump at the chance to talk about psychology. heart And to add onto Jinxxed's post, isn't the Christian end of the world happening soon as well? Through the Anti Christ or something? I'm not Christian so the whole thing is blurry, but as I remember, it's suposed to be coming up. Jinnxed: That really brought alot of the things I was thinking about together and threw in some new facts I didn't know about.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:51 pm
Kariston Jinxxed Just a side note... not only is there an increase of spiritual awareness & more use of magick, there is also an increase of more reported mental illnesses worldwide. Perhaps this is a sign that not only is our physical selves going to change, but also our mental selves as well. In the largely famed book, Psychic Self Defense, Dion Fortune mentions how it is very well likely that the psychic may have a touch of paranoia and slight schizophrenia and the schizophrenic may be having some psychic contact. It was written over fifty years ago, so it's really a phenomonal book although a bit complex. Anyways, it does seem pretty logically linked. Psychologists even have a mental disease called "Magical Thinking." The reason for this is because they believe it boarders schizophrenia and thus count it as a warning sign or a signal flare that might later call for more attention. Sorry about that! I had to jump at the chance to talk about psychology. heart And to add onto Jinxxed's post, isn't the Christian end of the world happening soon as well? Through the Anti Christ or something? I'm not Christian so the whole thing is blurry, but as I remember, it's suposed to be coming up. Jinnxed: That really brought alot of the things I was thinking about together and threw in some new facts I didn't know about.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:19 pm
Joshua_Ritter Facinating... You are really smart and I am glad to have you here in the guild. ^ ^ Thank's also for the links, I would post more if I had any to back up my ramblings. I am familiar with most of the concepts present, although not with the New World Order, I find that interesting. Personally, I think reduction in population would be a good thing, because we are overpopulated as it is, and god forbid we ask people to actually have a little self control while screwing, lets just have too many kids. Thanks a lot, I appreciate the compliment. 3nodding biggrin Usually I feel like my opinion doesn't matter that much to people or is viewed as not that important. confused Anyways, you should look up some more things on the New World Order... it could either be used for the greater good, or the greater evil. It depends on what the leaders will ultimately decide which is more important in life. Greed & power, or love & equality. I agree with you that the planet Earth is way too overpopulated, and we are in need of some 'cleaning out'. Unfortunately no one decides who stays and who goes, no matter how 'good' or 'bad' they were in life, so generally people aren't too fond of it if they are the ones who may have to leave. But, all of this happening to us physically is just mother nature's way of 'resetting' herself. Really, if you think of planet Earth as a living, breathing organism (which in a way it is)... would it rather die off forever due to us humans, or fight off whatever is harming her and have some time to heal? It's like humans vs viruses. Joshua_Ritter As well, I think I may have a solution to your little problem of us needing bodies, yet bodies being just shells, albeit it is a little convuluted. What if we had spiritual bodies? Not bodies of energy, like the astral, but bodies, made of matter like ours, which hungered and breathed and bled, only living on a separate plane from ours. This is where I believe we will end up. I can kind of see what you are meaning, and that can be quite possible I suppose, especially since we have not figured out everything in this world of ours. Are you talking about solid bodies (as in the "shells") that we have now but only being in a different plane/place/planet? I just wonder how our bodies/matter would be able to travel to that seperate plane, unless they are already there on the plane. All what I'm picturing though is millions of lifeless solid bodies just stashed somewhere else, and then when we need a 'host' (another shell) we travel with our spirit and mental energies through the astral plane and end up taking over the other body in the seperate plane. Personally I find this hard to believe, but hey it could always be a possibility. BTW, in no way am I trying to say that you are wrong or anything at all like that, I am just trying to find reason and ways on how it could actually work. (sorry if it sounds like any other way... sweatdrop ) Joshua_Ritter As for the Veil, you do paint a realistic, if negative picture......
...... But if the Veil falls, I don't know if we can stop it, nor if we should. I've noted before that I think if we try to keep the Veil up improperly, we could cause just as much damage, and possibly the Veil will not be so distructive if it happens how it is supposted to. I think at this point, we should do our best to understand the Veil before we decide about it. I try not to have quite so much of a pessimistic view of things... I just try to be rational. If my conclusions ended up being that it was going to be all furry rabbits and rainbows everywhere, I would say so. I just don't like to sugar coat the reality, though... no matter how bad it could be. Honestly I think that the reason why this is all happening to us is mainly for karmic reasons. Perhaps not karmic on the individual level, but we must pay the price for what our species has done in the past. Speaking in terms of majority... or more like those in power or who are well off, we have almost completely neglected our planet (sure we say we care about it but in reality we do nothing that will actually make an impact on how things are.) We have let greed and materialism consume our lives, when really if you think about we... when we die, we're not going to have our precious paper money and possessions. It's all for nothing except for being selfish, greedy, and uncaring about life in all of its unique and different glories. Don't you think that as the species at the top of the food chain that we have a responsibility to overlook the health and wellbeing of rest of the food chain? If we don't, well then our asses are on the line and it's our fault because we wouldn't have any food left. (<--- even then, the majority of us are still looking at what would benefit ourselves.... versus actually sincerely caring about the deaths, diseases, and pain that other creatures go through.) I think whatever happens, we deserve it. Like I said, not individually perhaps, but... we had a global responsibility to maintain this planet and care for her and we failed, miserably, only caring for ourselves. If we try to change it or stop it.... again, it is only showing our roots of selfishness and what is in the benefit of ourselves. Of course we don't want to die... but if there's a good reason for it, then ultimately we should. Potential life for others in the future may result in personal sacrifice, I believe this is one of the final lessons that us humans have to learn and experience as a collective. We have to eventually let go of ourselves and our egos and all the "me me me" going on in this world, and actually give a damn about other living beings more than we do about ourselves. Who knows though, this is just my personal opinion. .... Sorry I'm so pessimistic I guess. sweatdrop xd And I also apologize for my long post again... I tend to go on when it's something that I'm interested in or I have an opinion about... One of the things you guys will learn about me if you haven't already guessed is that I'm very opinionated and I'm not afraid to voice those opinions... but I will always be open to others' opinions equally. Don't take it personally if I try to debate with you or your ideas though, it's purely for me to get a better understanding of what I feel can or cannot be a possibility. But I will always respect everyone else's opinions, so don't feel like I'm trying to push my opinion onto you or anything. sweatdrop heart
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:45 pm
Kariston Jinxxed Just a side note... not only is there an increase of spiritual awareness & more use of magick, there is also an increase of more reported mental illnesses worldwide. Perhaps this is a sign that not only is our physical selves going to change, but also our mental selves as well. In the largely famed book, Psychic Self Defense, Dion Fortune mentions how it is very well likely that the psychic may have a touch of paranoia and slight schizophrenia and the schizophrenic may be having some psychic contact. It was written over fifty years ago, so it's really a phenomonal book although a bit complex. Anyways, it does seem pretty logically linked. Psychologists even have a mental disease called "Magical Thinking." The reason for this is because they believe it boarders schizophrenia and thus count it as a warning sign or a signal flare that might later call for more attention. Sorry about that! I had to jump at the chance to talk about psychology. heart And to add onto Jinxxed's post, isn't the Christian end of the world happening soon as well? Through the Anti Christ or something? I'm not Christian so the whole thing is blurry, but as I remember, it's suposed to be coming up. Jinnxed: That really brought alot of the things I was thinking about together and threw in some new facts I didn't know about. Hmmm, that is very interesting. I haven't heard of an actual possible connection between mental illnesses and psychic thinking in some people. In my opinion, I believe that the only reason why we have a classification of mental illness is pretty much to define behaviour and actions that appear 'unnormal' to the majority population. In reality I think that it is just another perspective of life, and an altered way of thinking. This doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, even if we view some actions as so. Magical Thinking, hmmm? Could you elaborate at all or find a link about it? Is it just the term of thinking in ways that don't incorporate any sciences, or the psychologists just think their thinking is 'special'? rolleyes Speaking of the Christian prophecies... I would actually like to hear what is believed to be happening now. I thought that their beliefs included the Anti-Christ coming soon, but really I have no clue AT ALL. To be honest I barely follow anything to do with Christianity or unfortunately any religion at all. Oh and don't worry, I love to talk about psychology too! And esoteric philosophy too. heart One of my guilty pleasures sometimes is reading up on prophecies and the like... I just like sorting through different ones and trying to see if they could happen or if it's just so extremely far-fetched and much too hard to believe. And no problem... I thought that there were other people who were probably thinking along the same lines too. I just wanted to get it all out so everyone else including myself could see it altogether in one piece. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:55 pm
sweatdrop You seem worried about putting others off about stuff, even though you probably won't. Yagi-chan does that too... ^ ^() love ya Yagi.
As for the Earth protecting itself, I believe that would be the Gaia hypothesis.. ha, that's hilarious consitering where we're posting. But basically I think it's the Earth as one super-organism. There's probably something about it on Wikipedia if you want to know more.
As for the Spirit Bodies, yes, they are already there, I apologize, because I do believe in this idea quite strongly and yet am holding back for fear of looking like a fool, but I suppose if I am to ask everyone else to not be afraid of their opinions, I must practice as I preach. I believe the spirit bodies are there already, yes, but not just lifeless shells waiting for you to leave here... more like an almost seperate person, who lives a different life... but yet is still you. ^ ^() If you had to describe it easily, I would put it like a past life happening at the same time. I think if you connect with your spirit body, then you become one mind, and can use your spirit body to leave like an astral.
As for Karmic reasons punishing us globally, I agree your points make sense, but I respectfully disagree on principle. ^ ^() I don't think Karma would punish us as a race, unless we were guilty of doing the things which damaged it... I believe if you personally did not do it, it would violate the principle laws of karma if you were punished for it. Not to get all biblical, ^ ^() but I think of Sodom and Gommorah, where "if ten righteous are found, the cities shall be spared" and such."
No worries about being pessimistic if its realistic, and again, just like Yagi, ^ ^ No worries about respectfully debating, or giving your opinions. Diversity is the spice of life, and the only thing we don't want is a flame war.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:59 pm
Joshua_Ritter
As for the Spirit Bodies, yes, they are already there, I apologize, because I do believe in this idea quite strongly and yet am holding back for fear of looking like a fool, but I suppose if I am to ask everyone else to not be afraid of their opinions, I must practice as I preach. I believe the spirit bodies are there already, yes, but not just lifeless shells waiting for you to leave here... more like an almost seperate person, who lives a different life... but yet is still you. ^ ^() If you had to describe it easily, I would put it like a past life happening at the same time. I think if you connect with your spirit body, then you become one mind, and can use your spirit body to leave like an astral.Ahhh, that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, actually that was very close to one of my theories that I had posted in another forum a couple of months ago... ahh I can't find it anymore. sad Shame, I guess they did some spring cleaning or something. But anyways, it was along the lines of what you are suggesting. It was more dealing with the thought of perhaps different levels of time or dimensions happening, hence you co-exist to an extent in a different world/plane/timeframe... but you are still you, however the experiences might be different. Joshua_Ritter As for Karmic reasons punishing us globally, I agree your points make sense, but I respectfully disagree on principle. ^ ^() I don't think Karma would punish us as a race, unless we were guilty of doing the things which damaged it... I believe if you personally did not do it, it would violate the principle laws of karma if you were punished for it. Not to get all biblical, ^ ^() but I think of Sodom and Gommorah, where "if ten righteous are found, the cities shall be spared" and such." Yeah, my theory does go against the karmic principles on an individual level. Of course I still think that this exists, but in order for the planet to rest and have time to heal and cleanse herself of its toxins, most likely MANY people will die. Even people who fought all their life to prevent damage to the environment, who helped recover wildlife habitats, or developed a working strategy in a city in living without pollution... or even just lived sustainably. People like them who have good karma will die too. I suppose you may be thinking that when they pass over to their next plane, they will carry their individual good karma with them for their next life. This would most likely still happen.... I still think that it is possible that there could be a global consequence from a smaller group of people's actions. Maybe I shouldn't call it karma.... just maybe more like maintaining balance of things in the world. One of my other theories that just seems too logical to not be true (to me at least xd ) is that one of our main reasons for existance on this specific world/plane is to learn about balance, and repetition (or the stability of cycles). I believe that it is very possible for each plane you travel to, you learn a new crucial lesson to help develop your Higher Self. For example, on this planet... look at the food chain, water cycle, the orbit of the planets, black and white, good and evil. Almost everything you see on earth can be translated into some sort of cycle or a key to balance. Joshua_Ritter No worries about being pessimistic if its realistic, and again, just like Yagi, ^ ^ No worries about respectfully debating, or giving your opinions. Diversity is the spice of life, and the only thing we don't want is a flame war. Yeah, you have to make sure you're open and less hesitant too. biggrin It's not like as if anyone will judge you or your opinions and think you're stupid or foolish or anything.... everyone here seems like they are pretty understanding and are openminded people, so why worry? xd heart ANYWAYS.... I just realized this is getting horribly off-topic. I really apologize, I'll move this discussion elsewhere if someone wants. sweatdrop
Back to being on topic, does anyone have any websites about the Veil? I would be very interested in reading more up on it.(It's 3:00AM here so I'm sorry if some of this is incoherent or doesn't make sense.. honestly I'm not sure if it does, heh.)
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