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Pulling up this thread. biggrin

Chocolate can be vegan - the dark, non-dairy variety. biggrin

omg I remember making this thread xD

Has anyone heard of Kyoto Geisha? An old member? He hasn't been on in like 2years, and she was the one that introduced me to this thread! And I just noticed what highschool she wanted to get into, and I live in the area! it's so weird...

Read through some of the more informative posts here before you make up your mind. There are a lot of interesting and very convincing opinions in this thread that have made me change my mind since. wink

I only read the first few posts here, and I have some strong arguements.

"Free-range" can mean anything. Anything. "Free-range" eggs were probably gotten in the exact same way as other eggs. There are no standards as to what it has to mean.


Humans are NOT meant to eat meat. In our case, it is not part of a cycle to be eating any part of any animal. This can be proven in multiple ways.
First of all, humans only started eating meat when they made weapons. They have no attack of themselves. Owls, eagles, and other birds of prey have sharp talons and beaks. Felines have sharp claws and teeth along with speed and precision. Humans only have dull teeth, made for eating vegetables, fruits, and greenery. If you look at this picture of a cow jaw, you will see its teeth that are strikingly similar to humans' teeth. Square and dull. Cows do not eat meat of any sort unless it is forced upon them. Now, look at this Fox Terrier's teeth. They are sharp and long, perfect for sinking into another animal. Fox Terriers are hunting dogs. Coinsodence? I think not.
Secondly, a lot of people are lactose intolerant, including me. This is because our stomachs are not designed to digest the milk of another species. Cow's milk, something usually eaten for breakfast, is meant for baby cows. Not cows, not humans, not baby humans. Baby cows. You'll never see a cow older than one year nursing. And in nature, you will rarely even see a baby that a mother of another species adopted and nurses.
Third, meat is unhealthy. If you have been eating meat all of your life, and become a vegetarian for even a week or two, you'll see a dramatic difference in your health for the better. Then, if you go back to eating meat, you'll probably feel sick from eating it. Maybe then you will realise that meat is bad for you.


I also just would like to say that if you eat meat, you should stop or quit this guild, because factory farms produce more air and water pollution than anything in this world. Even if you recycle all that you can, you don't waste water, and buy organic things, eating meat will cancel it all out.

Arh, you make me so mad!

Meat has some healthy parts of it, because the animal ate health foods! And you think that about 30% is not a significant number? 30% of rabbits are not allergic to carrots.
Speaking of rabbits, their teeth are sharp for biting into hard vegetables. They don't. eat. meat!

My main source is Peta, I don't need to list the dozens of other ones.

And another reason for being a vegetarian, have you seen the way the animals are killed?! If you've ever eaten at KFC, I declare you an indirect murderer, because you are paying for chickens to be drugged, beaten, boiled alive, and sometimes, raped!!

PeTA fails science and biology on SO many levels, it's even not funny. Every time I think about half the things they claim I want to wring their necks. In fact, I'd have to say there is no appreciable difference between PeTA and a young earth creationist "scientist." Both will repeat total balony over and over until they're blue in the face because they can prop their dogma with it.

Furthermore, if the way animals are killed by meat producers (which I do NOT approve of), I entreat you to think about how insects and other animals such as mice, gophers, snakes, and rats suffer in the fields. These creatures are crushed, mutilated, poisoned and trapped - just so you can eat your veggies. Most people aren't interested in taking videos of bugs writhing after exposure to pesticides. Imagine yourself famished one day, and you suddenly discover a delicious, inviting buffet set out. You dig in - a few minutes later your stomach starts to churn. You collapse to the floor in spasms. It might be ten minutes to half and hour before you actually die.

Organic isn't "cruelty-free," either: organic gardeners use their share of poisons and traps, too. One remedy for slugs is to scatter out crushed eggshells or diatomaceous earth. This stops the slugs by shredding their soft little bodies as they crawl over it. Everywhere you go, you'll find organic gardeners advocating the famous dishsoap spray, which kills bugs by dissolving their exoskeleton. Humane, huh? Indeed, imagine yourself at that buffet, then some chump comes along and sprays you with something that dissolves your skin right off your body.

If people were doing these things to cute little bunnies instead of ugly old aphids, mites, locusts, and earwigs, there would be an outrage.

Okay, that said, I do not approve of unnecessary cruelty to animals in the slaughtering process. It's quite sad to see what a mess that livestock production has turned into.

Also, I am not a vegetarian, and am unlikely to ever be. I am not the sort of person whose body takes well to that sort of thing for a number of reasons. For one, my ancestors were Germanic hunters. If there's one thing genetic research has shown, it's that different races of humans have evolved in subtle ways to adapt to their local diets. For example, Asians have more copies of a gene that allows them to digest carbohydrates. On the other hand, those descended from hunters tend to have problems when they switch to an agrarian's diet.