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 Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:56 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Her opinion on the book mostly seems to come from her mom anyway.
I'm actually pretty curious to see how she thinks.
But yeah, if Harry Potter is a threat to your faith in your mom's eyes, Eternal, then we're probably much worse.
A huge part of being in this guild is having people actively questioning and denying your faith. Being in this guild is a bit hard, but my mom knows what goes on. She doesn't seem to have a problem with it, partly because when it does weaken my faith, I step away from it for a bit and really think about it. As nice as it would be not to worry about secular influences, I niether live nor expect to live in a world like that. Since I don't want to live away from the world, I want to understand it as much as I can without becoming part of it. And yeah, I think you should see that. My mom really thinks about things, and she's passionate about different subjects then I am. I'm not sure how she'll come across over the net, but i know she can explain where she's coming from a lot better the I could. And I didn't say I wanted it banned (though banning a single book isn't the worst thing could happen. I'd be far more worried if society banned a lot of books from the general public, instead of banning a book in a school. School restricts our rights anyway >.<). I just don't think it should be encouraged the way it is. If teachers are told a child isn't allowed to read a book, that should be enforced. @Someone:Good point. To tell the truth we didn't get the internet until this year because my brother abused it. My mom is coming from a place where we could do without it, and if my sister and I hadn't begged her for it for something since we lost it, we probrably would never have gotten it. To tell the truth though, we could lose it rather easily, so it's a privilage to be on here. And as for hating Harry Potter...it's like being a drunk to me. If I were a drunk I'd hate, but I'd be addicted. In a way, I liked the story so much I was addicted. Now I hate it and wouldn't mind watching it burn. I don't hate JK Rowling though. Even if I hate this work, her work is not her. You can love someone even if you dislike characteristics about the person, things they've made or their actions, the same way you can care about you're own life even after you've done something horrible, like murdered someone. It's confusing, but human nature is rather twisted anyway. That's what you get from with a being that contains both good and evil. Though, you're right, hate may be a bit strong. I'm willing to go with extremely dislike. I'll also admit to not being completely rational about it. The whole thing ended up rather horribly, so with me my feelings against Harry Potter are personal. I don't hate JK Rowling because of her books though.
And it's not like teachers are encouraging their students to get drunk.
From a non-religious point of view, it's a little silly to keep the books from kids.
And like I said before, we don't keep meat from children who's parents wish them to remain vegetarian. Or at least we didn't when I was a kid. It's too hard to keep track of which children have which restrictions.
It's the parent's responsibility to teach the kid to follow their rules.
And I realize that kids will be kids and break the rules once in a while.
But if the parents feel that strongly about the matter, there's always religious private schools and home schooling.
I know at public schools there's an insane ammount of kidlets per teacher and they can't be expected to keep track of and enforce every student's parents' rules.
And I think you hate the series out of fear.
And I think you fear it because you were told that you should.
There's nothing evil about the books!
There's nothing wrong with feeling drawn in by the plot!
If you feel nothing when reading a book, then you're probably not reading the right book! XDI'll get it to you if I can. You're putting something in a kids head. A powerful book will influence us for better or worse. If you think Harry Potter is wrong, then you wanna keep it from you're kid to make sure it doesn't have an ill effect. They kinda do now. At the school where my mom teaches, I think they don't put pork in the school lunches because of kids of a certain religion (not Judiasm). And some parents can't do that. My mom can't afford a private school and she has to work because she's divorced. She might've homeschooled us if she didn't have to, but as it is, that wasn't a possiblity. And if they have to learn every kid's name, then should a parent make a request like that, I don't think it would be that difficult to keep track of. I doubt you have that many kids whose parents don't want them to read Harry Potter. I think I hate it out of a negative experience, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If it were a person I'd forgive it, but it's a book, so I'm gonna keep the negative feelings in this case. And I agree! The books I love most are the ones that made me feel something. But I still hold an extreme dislike for Harry Potter and think it's wrong. Agreeing to disagree (you said we should at one point) sounds good.
It would be interesting, but if she's busy or something then that's fine.
I just see no problem with you quoting her exact words to help your point.
Islam? Either way, I'm glad they started doing that.
Before that must have been really hard on parents who want to keep their children from eating pork.
What age group does your mom teach?
And learning a kid's name is different. It's a high priority.
Then I'd assume under that are allergies and health coniditions.
But though maybe one or two kids aren't allowed to read Harry Potter, one or two other kids aren't allowed to read Narnia because of the Christian themes.
Each parent is going to have some set of rules at the same priority as keeping Harry Potter away from kids that they would like enforced.
One of my friends wants to go into elementary school education.
She said they have so many students per teacher that it's hard enough to make sure that they're following the school rules and are safe and that it's impossible to give each one individual attention.
Besides, I've yet to hear of one kid who seriously actually turned to witchcraft because of reading Harry Potter.It'd be more of a hassle because I doubt I can actually get her to sit down and type. She doesn't especially like computers. I think I'll have her write it out, and I'll type it. They had a large population of (Islamic? I think that's it, but I can't be sure) kids. And she teaches elementary reading, though I think she's certified for more then that. She teaches in the inner city, which should probrably worry me, but strangely doesn't. Questionable books could be set at the corner of a shelf, and there could be a list the teacher/librarians keep. I doubt it'd be that hard to enforce, especially in an elementary school classroom, where the teacher has about 20 kids they see every day. Is 20 kids to a teacher a lot? That's the ratio around here, but it could be different elsewhere. And the parents involvement makes a huge difference. In the inner city they have a fight a day, and the kids were talking at one point about how many friends they had that were dead. One of my mom's students tried to rob her until she recognized him. It's a lot different here, where the worst most kids do is skip class occasionally. And that's still comparing elementary to high school. I think one of the links I put up had some stories on it. I could try to find it again...
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter?
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:11 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Well I'm very curious to hear her opinion.
And it's not like teachers are encouraging their students to get drunk.
From a non-religious point of view, it's a little silly to keep the books from kids.
And like I said before, we don't keep meat from children who's parents wish them to remain vegetarian. Or at least we didn't when I was a kid. It's too hard to keep track of which children have which restrictions.
It's the parent's responsibility to teach the kid to follow their rules.
And I realize that kids will be kids and break the rules once in a while.
But if the parents feel that strongly about the matter, there's always religious private schools and home schooling.
I know at public schools there's an insane ammount of kidlets per teacher and they can't be expected to keep track of and enforce every student's parents' rules.
And I think you hate the series out of fear.
And I think you fear it because you were told that you should.
There's nothing evil about the books!
There's nothing wrong with feeling drawn in by the plot!
If you feel nothing when reading a book, then you're probably not reading the right book! XD I'll get it to you if I can. You're putting something in a kids head. A powerful book will influence us for better or worse. If you think Harry Potter is wrong, then you wanna keep it from you're kid to make sure it doesn't have an ill effect. They kinda do now. At the school where my mom teaches, I think they don't put pork in the school lunches because of kids of a certain religion (not Judiasm). And some parents can't do that. My mom can't afford a private school and she has to work because she's divorced. She might've homeschooled us if she didn't have to, but as it is, that wasn't a possiblity. And if they have to learn every kid's name, then should a parent make a request like that, I don't think it would be that difficult to keep track of. I doubt you have that many kids whose parents don't want them to read Harry Potter. I think I hate it out of a negative experience, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If it were a person I'd forgive it, but it's a book, so I'm gonna keep the negative feelings in this case. And I agree! The books I love most are the ones that made me feel something. But I still hold an extreme dislike for Harry Potter and think it's wrong. Agreeing to disagree (you said we should at one point) sounds good.
It would be interesting, but if she's busy or something then that's fine.
I just see no problem with you quoting her exact words to help your point.
Islam? Either way, I'm glad they started doing that.
Before that must have been really hard on parents who want to keep their children from eating pork.
What age group does your mom teach?
And learning a kid's name is different. It's a high priority.
Then I'd assume under that are allergies and health coniditions.
But though maybe one or two kids aren't allowed to read Harry Potter, one or two other kids aren't allowed to read Narnia because of the Christian themes.
Each parent is going to have some set of rules at the same priority as keeping Harry Potter away from kids that they would like enforced.
One of my friends wants to go into elementary school education.
She said they have so many students per teacher that it's hard enough to make sure that they're following the school rules and are safe and that it's impossible to give each one individual attention.
Besides, I've yet to hear of one kid who seriously actually turned to witchcraft because of reading Harry Potter.It'd be more of a hassle because I doubt I can actually get her to sit down and type. She doesn't especially like computers. I think I'll have her write it out, and I'll type it. They had a large population of (Islamic? I think that's it, but I can't be sure) kids. And she teaches elementary reading, though I think she's certified for more then that. She teaches in the inner city, which should probrably worry me, but strangely doesn't. Questionable books could be set at the corner of a shelf, and there could be a list the teacher/librarians keep. I doubt it'd be that hard to enforce, especially in an elementary school classroom, where the teacher has about 20 kids they see every day. Is 20 kids to a teacher a lot? That's the ratio around here, but it could be different elsewhere. And the parents involvement makes a huge difference. In the inner city they have a fight a day, and the kids were talking at one point about how many friends they had that were dead. One of my mom's students tried to rob her until she recognized him. It's a lot different here, where the worst most kids do is skip class occasionally. And that's still comparing elementary to high school. I think one of the links I put up had some stories on it. I could try to find it again...
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter?Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:29 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Well I'm very curious to hear her opinion.
And it's not like teachers are encouraging their students to get drunk.
From a non-religious point of view, it's a little silly to keep the books from kids.
And like I said before, we don't keep meat from children who's parents wish them to remain vegetarian. Or at least we didn't when I was a kid. It's too hard to keep track of which children have which restrictions.
It's the parent's responsibility to teach the kid to follow their rules.
And I realize that kids will be kids and break the rules once in a while.
But if the parents feel that strongly about the matter, there's always religious private schools and home schooling.
I know at public schools there's an insane ammount of kidlets per teacher and they can't be expected to keep track of and enforce every student's parents' rules.
And I think you hate the series out of fear.
And I think you fear it because you were told that you should.
There's nothing evil about the books!
There's nothing wrong with feeling drawn in by the plot!
If you feel nothing when reading a book, then you're probably not reading the right book! XD I'll get it to you if I can. You're putting something in a kids head. A powerful book will influence us for better or worse. If you think Harry Potter is wrong, then you wanna keep it from you're kid to make sure it doesn't have an ill effect. They kinda do now. At the school where my mom teaches, I think they don't put pork in the school lunches because of kids of a certain religion (not Judiasm). And some parents can't do that. My mom can't afford a private school and she has to work because she's divorced. She might've homeschooled us if she didn't have to, but as it is, that wasn't a possiblity. And if they have to learn every kid's name, then should a parent make a request like that, I don't think it would be that difficult to keep track of. I doubt you have that many kids whose parents don't want them to read Harry Potter. I think I hate it out of a negative experience, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If it were a person I'd forgive it, but it's a book, so I'm gonna keep the negative feelings in this case. And I agree! The books I love most are the ones that made me feel something. But I still hold an extreme dislike for Harry Potter and think it's wrong. Agreeing to disagree (you said we should at one point) sounds good.
It would be interesting, but if she's busy or something then that's fine.
I just see no problem with you quoting her exact words to help your point.
Islam? Either way, I'm glad they started doing that.
Before that must have been really hard on parents who want to keep their children from eating pork.
What age group does your mom teach?
And learning a kid's name is different. It's a high priority.
Then I'd assume under that are allergies and health coniditions.
But though maybe one or two kids aren't allowed to read Harry Potter, one or two other kids aren't allowed to read Narnia because of the Christian themes.
Each parent is going to have some set of rules at the same priority as keeping Harry Potter away from kids that they would like enforced.
One of my friends wants to go into elementary school education.
She said they have so many students per teacher that it's hard enough to make sure that they're following the school rules and are safe and that it's impossible to give each one individual attention.
Besides, I've yet to hear of one kid who seriously actually turned to witchcraft because of reading Harry Potter.It'd be more of a hassle because I doubt I can actually get her to sit down and type. She doesn't especially like computers. I think I'll have her write it out, and I'll type it. They had a large population of (Islamic? I think that's it, but I can't be sure) kids. And she teaches elementary reading, though I think she's certified for more then that. She teaches in the inner city, which should probrably worry me, but strangely doesn't. Questionable books could be set at the corner of a shelf, and there could be a list the teacher/librarians keep. I doubt it'd be that hard to enforce, especially in an elementary school classroom, where the teacher has about 20 kids they see every day. Is 20 kids to a teacher a lot? That's the ratio around here, but it could be different elsewhere. And the parents involvement makes a huge difference. In the inner city they have a fight a day, and the kids were talking at one point about how many friends they had that were dead. One of my mom's students tried to rob her until she recognized him. It's a lot different here, where the worst most kids do is skip class occasionally. And that's still comparing elementary to high school. I think one of the links I put up had some stories on it. I could try to find it again...
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter?Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
I know in my dad's school they even have to empty all of their pockets every time they go into the restroom and they're not allowed to have sharpies so they don't write gang signs.
Gangs are a huge problem where my dad works.
And I agree that religion is a huge part of a person's life.
But with public schools, it must be kept at home.
It's not fair to pander to the every whim of one religion's parents while ignoring others.
And it's impossible to enforce them all.
XD And how old was the kid?
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:08 pm
brainnsoup Someoneiknow 4shi Someoneiknow xxEternallyBluexx Kreazdor Christians just seem to attack in some random manner. It's virtually become a religion of hate ever since Jesus died if you ask me. I've heard of christians discussing whether or not yoga is bad just because of some mention of awakening an inner serpent or some odd thing like that. Harry Potter certainly isn't evil, and near impossible to be real for that matter. The Bible probably has more "magic" in it than the entire series! Of course I'm sure most christians wouldn't consider making fire rain from the skies, turning a sea into blood, turning people into pillars of salt, raising people from the dead, etc, etc, as magic. They're probably just trying to attack a Catholic, which somehow differs from Christians in some meaningless yet apparently significant ways. It's this kind of...complete and utter stupidity that convinced me to start looking at other religions around the world... There's key differences. That 'magic' is from God.A big point of not doing magic is we're supposed to rely on God, and not ourselves, which is what faith and miracles are about. I'm sorry you think we're all hater's, but there's nothing wrong with hating a book. If I hated JK Rowling there'd be a problem, but I don't. I just hate her series. But a few pages ago you said you found so much that you liked in the Harry Potter series. Technically, if you hate a person's work, their life and their calling, by default, you hate that person. You can say you dislike, but be careful of the words you use. Hate is a very strong word, and it can all tie in together with everything else. Kind of like how a person may hate wal-mart, but not hate sam walton. Well, Sam Walton made Wal-mart, Wal-mart was his calling and his life, so therefore, by default, you hate Sam Walton. God only hates sin, so unless you think Harry Potter is pure sin, you should be careful about "hating" it. My problem with your argument is that it's oversimplistic. Edgar Allen Poe, for example, is my favorite American author yet I hate certain works of his. I obviously can't hate and love a person at the same time in those instances. Also, there comes the question of how much a work stays as someone's (apart from namesake, copyright, and the like) once it is released into the public. In the frame of your Wal-Mart example, not all Wal-Marts are managed to the letter the same way (though policies are supposed to prevent that). If someone poorly manages a Wal-Mart, the employees are unhappy, and they take it out on the customers. The customers, however, love the better-run Wal-Mart as opposed to the aforementioned Wal-Mart, which they hate. Do they hate the managers, who have taken Sam Walton's work and made it their own in some way? Do they hate Sam Walton since they hate that one Wal-Mart? Or do they just hate the one Wal-Mart for the employees who contributed to the work at hand? I'm taking it from the stance that you should hate nothing but sin. You can hate whatever you want, but I feel that hate is a strong word, and should be used carefully. It is typically used to denote when a person is most angry, and when they want to cause the most harm. So I feel that it should be used sparingly if at all. This pertains to what you said by how I feel you shouldn't say casually that you hate something. And yes, sometimes it isn't necessarily the entity itself that you hate, but say a personality or trait that you hate. But that should be emphasized when you are stating the point, rather than saying you hate the whole thing. Like how in the Harry Potter series, I hate the use of magical entities in the book, or the childish euphamism, rather than the whole book which did take up a lot of J.K. Rowling's time to complete and I think she would be rather proud of it. So by stating that you hate it, if she were there, she would most likely take that as a personal stab against her.
Her books have thousands of fans and are at the center of many of my generation's fondest childhood memories.
And they have, at the same time, people who say that her book is satanic and gather in groups to protest and burn them.
I doubt that her day would be ruined if she found out that Eternal didn't like her books.
Or at least that she would be any less hurt than if she found out that you hate the use of magical entities in the book.
How do you like the book if you hate the use of magic by the way?I didn't say you had to like the book, I just said you had to show that you disliked a certain element about the book, rather than just stating that you hate the book indeffinately and leaving no ground for someone to see why you do not like it. And how do you know? Do you know J.K. Rowling? Have you ever had a sit down chat with her? I was speaking of a hypothetical meeting between the two where both knew each other personally, not a literal one.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:14 pm
4shi Someoneiknow 4shi Someoneiknow xxEternallyBluexx Kreazdor Christians just seem to attack in some random manner. It's virtually become a religion of hate ever since Jesus died if you ask me. I've heard of christians discussing whether or not yoga is bad just because of some mention of awakening an inner serpent or some odd thing like that. Harry Potter certainly isn't evil, and near impossible to be real for that matter. The Bible probably has more "magic" in it than the entire series! Of course I'm sure most christians wouldn't consider making fire rain from the skies, turning a sea into blood, turning people into pillars of salt, raising people from the dead, etc, etc, as magic. They're probably just trying to attack a Catholic, which somehow differs from Christians in some meaningless yet apparently significant ways. It's this kind of...complete and utter stupidity that convinced me to start looking at other religions around the world... There's key differences. That 'magic' is from God.A big point of not doing magic is we're supposed to rely on God, and not ourselves, which is what faith and miracles are about. I'm sorry you think we're all hater's, but there's nothing wrong with hating a book. If I hated JK Rowling there'd be a problem, but I don't. I just hate her series. But a few pages ago you said you found so much that you liked in the Harry Potter series. Technically, if you hate a person's work, their life and their calling, by default, you hate that person. You can say you dislike, but be careful of the words you use. Hate is a very strong word, and it can all tie in together with everything else. Kind of like how a person may hate wal-mart, but not hate sam walton. Well, Sam Walton made Wal-mart, Wal-mart was his calling and his life, so therefore, by default, you hate Sam Walton. God only hates sin, so unless you think Harry Potter is pure sin, you should be careful about "hating" it. My problem with your argument is that it's oversimplistic. Edgar Allen Poe, for example, is my favorite American author yet I hate certain works of his. I obviously can't hate and love a person at the same time in those instances. Also, there comes the question of how much a work stays as someone's (apart from namesake, copyright, and the like) once it is released into the public. In the frame of your Wal-Mart example, not all Wal-Marts are managed to the letter the same way (though policies are supposed to prevent that). If someone poorly manages a Wal-Mart, the employees are unhappy, and they take it out on the customers. The customers, however, love the better-run Wal-Mart as opposed to the aforementioned Wal-Mart, which they hate. Do they hate the managers, who have taken Sam Walton's work and made it their own in some way? Do they hate Sam Walton since they hate that one Wal-Mart? Or do they just hate the one Wal-Mart for the employees who contributed to the work at hand? I'm taking it from the stance that you should hate nothing but sin. You can hate whatever you want, but I feel that hate is a strong word, and should be used carefully. It is typically used to denote when a person is most angry, and when they want to cause the most harm. So I feel that it should be used sparingly if at all. This pertains to what you said by how I feel you shouldn't say casually that you hate something. And yes, sometimes it isn't necessarily the entity itself that you hate, but say a personality or trait that you hate. But that should be emphasized when you are stating the point, rather than saying you hate the whole thing. Like how in the Harry Potter series, I hate the use of magical entities in the book, or the childish euphamism, rather than the whole book which did take up a lot of J.K. Rowling's time to complete and I think she would be rather proud of it. So by stating that you hate it, if she were there, she would most likely take that as a personal stab against her. Hating only sin wasn't your argument at all. Your argument was, "hate the work, hate the person". Even when you change it to "dislike" you are still disliking the person by your argument, regardless if you just dislike certain details. That's what was oversimplistic about it. Also, didn't Rowling write the individual books over a span of a couple of years? Wasn't it something like seven books in a decade? I don't know which writers you've spoken with, but that's cranking it out for a series! Also, writers have to learn to set their feelings aside about a work. If you can't remove your ego from your art, you don't belong in that area. Actually, since the "hating only sin" was my argument, that's what i went with. I did probably oversimplify yes, but I wasn't going into great detail about "hating only sin" because it is such a simple phrase, why would I have to? And actually, sorry if I like dislike more, but it tends to flow better on a psychological standpoint rather than hate. That was my original point to bring out. Yes, people have to step aside from your ego, and hope nobody tarnishes it. I would know all about it, considering I'm one of the most hated people among a younger genre in the place I live because of my work. I tend to receive no praise except for those who fully understand what work I'm doing. But it is difficult to be the one that is the use of many snide and hurtful jokes, and what not. You can't tell me that J.K. Rowling, or even Stephen King or some other various author can walk away, every day, with a smile on their face after reading some of the snot that is posted in many magazines and web forums and what have you.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:58 pm
Someoneiknow 4shi Someoneiknow 4shi Someoneiknow But a few pages ago you said you found so much that you liked in the Harry Potter series. Technically, if you hate a person's work, their life and their calling, by default, you hate that person. You can say you dislike, but be careful of the words you use. Hate is a very strong word, and it can all tie in together with everything else. Kind of like how a person may hate wal-mart, but not hate sam walton. Well, Sam Walton made Wal-mart, Wal-mart was his calling and his life, so therefore, by default, you hate Sam Walton. God only hates sin, so unless you think Harry Potter is pure sin, you should be careful about "hating" it. My problem with your argument is that it's oversimplistic. Edgar Allen Poe, for example, is my favorite American author yet I hate certain works of his. I obviously can't hate and love a person at the same time in those instances. Also, there comes the question of how much a work stays as someone's (apart from namesake, copyright, and the like) once it is released into the public. In the frame of your Wal-Mart example, not all Wal-Marts are managed to the letter the same way (though policies are supposed to prevent that). If someone poorly manages a Wal-Mart, the employees are unhappy, and they take it out on the customers. The customers, however, love the better-run Wal-Mart as opposed to the aforementioned Wal-Mart, which they hate. Do they hate the managers, who have taken Sam Walton's work and made it their own in some way? Do they hate Sam Walton since they hate that one Wal-Mart? Or do they just hate the one Wal-Mart for the employees who contributed to the work at hand? I'm taking it from the stance that you should hate nothing but sin. You can hate whatever you want, but I feel that hate is a strong word, and should be used carefully. It is typically used to denote when a person is most angry, and when they want to cause the most harm. So I feel that it should be used sparingly if at all. This pertains to what you said by how I feel you shouldn't say casually that you hate something. And yes, sometimes it isn't necessarily the entity itself that you hate, but say a personality or trait that you hate. But that should be emphasized when you are stating the point, rather than saying you hate the whole thing. Like how in the Harry Potter series, I hate the use of magical entities in the book, or the childish euphamism, rather than the whole book which did take up a lot of J.K. Rowling's time to complete and I think she would be rather proud of it. So by stating that you hate it, if she were there, she would most likely take that as a personal stab against her. Hating only sin wasn't your argument at all. Your argument was, "hate the work, hate the person". Even when you change it to "dislike" you are still disliking the person by your argument, regardless if you just dislike certain details. That's what was oversimplistic about it. Also, didn't Rowling write the individual books over a span of a couple of years? Wasn't it something like seven books in a decade? I don't know which writers you've spoken with, but that's cranking it out for a series! Also, writers have to learn to set their feelings aside about a work. If you can't remove your ego from your art, you don't belong in that area. Actually, since the "hating only sin" was my argument, that's what i went with. I did probably oversimplify yes, but I wasn't going into great detail about "hating only sin" because it is such a simple phrase, why would I have to? And actually, sorry if I like dislike more, but it tends to flow better on a psychological standpoint rather than hate. That was my original point to bring out. No, hating only sin was your statement. Your reasoning was the argument. To rephrase what you said, it goes as follows: You should hate only sin BECAUSE when you hate someone's work, you hate them. Everything following "because" is your argument; everything prior to "because" is your statement. Quote: Yes, people have to step aside from your ego, and hope nobody tarnishes it. I would know all about it, considering I'm one of the most hated people among a younger genre in the place I live because of my work. I tend to receive no praise except for those who fully understand what work I'm doing. But it is difficult to be the one that is the use of many snide and hurtful jokes, and what not. You can't tell me that J.K. Rowling, or even Stephen King or some other various author can walk away, every day, with a smile on their face after reading some of the snot that is posted in many magazines and web forums and what have you. Since they make a ton of money from a crazy-good contract, yes they tend to ignore that. I also find it hard to believe they slum it on internet forums. They get to laugh their way to the bank, while those like us who post these things maybe make minimum wage. Again, that may be because they were one of the rare few writers who negotiated a good contract (anyone who tells you writers make living money off of their works is lying to you...unless they have a good contract they produce). As for people who pick on you, it sucks. We all work jobs that underappreciate us. And coming from a chronic nerd, yes, it can hurt. But you have to look at it this way: unless they can present a reason for disliking you on a rational basis, you have the brains and vocab to totally confuse them into silence.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:09 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Don't bother yourself with it if it's a hassle.
It would be interesting, but if she's busy or something then that's fine.
I just see no problem with you quoting her exact words to help your point.
Islam? Either way, I'm glad they started doing that.
Before that must have been really hard on parents who want to keep their children from eating pork.
What age group does your mom teach?
And learning a kid's name is different. It's a high priority.
Then I'd assume under that are allergies and health coniditions.
But though maybe one or two kids aren't allowed to read Harry Potter, one or two other kids aren't allowed to read Narnia because of the Christian themes.
Each parent is going to have some set of rules at the same priority as keeping Harry Potter away from kids that they would like enforced.
One of my friends wants to go into elementary school education.
She said they have so many students per teacher that it's hard enough to make sure that they're following the school rules and are safe and that it's impossible to give each one individual attention.
Besides, I've yet to hear of one kid who seriously actually turned to witchcraft because of reading Harry Potter. It'd be more of a hassle because I doubt I can actually get her to sit down and type. She doesn't especially like computers. I think I'll have her write it out, and I'll type it. They had a large population of (Islamic? I think that's it, but I can't be sure) kids. And she teaches elementary reading, though I think she's certified for more then that. She teaches in the inner city, which should probrably worry me, but strangely doesn't. Questionable books could be set at the corner of a shelf, and there could be a list the teacher/librarians keep. I doubt it'd be that hard to enforce, especially in an elementary school classroom, where the teacher has about 20 kids they see every day. Is 20 kids to a teacher a lot? That's the ratio around here, but it could be different elsewhere. And the parents involvement makes a huge difference. In the inner city they have a fight a day, and the kids were talking at one point about how many friends they had that were dead. One of my mom's students tried to rob her until she recognized him. It's a lot different here, where the worst most kids do is skip class occasionally. And that's still comparing elementary to high school. I think one of the links I put up had some stories on it. I could try to find it again...
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter?Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
I know in my dad's school they even have to empty all of their pockets every time they go into the restroom and they're not allowed to have sharpies so they don't write gang signs.
Gangs are a huge problem where my dad works.
And I agree that religion is a huge part of a person's life.
But with public schools, it must be kept at home.
It's not fair to pander to the every whim of one religion's parents while ignoring others.
And it's impossible to enforce them all.
XD And how old was the kid?My mom's school isn't like that except that they took the doors of the bathroom stalls. Apparently some kid thought it would be a great idea to flood the school by clogging all the toilets. rolleyes I still think it'd be worth the hassle, especially if it's only one or two things. With my mom it was Harry Potter. My mom's a teacher, she knows what it's like to keep track of kids, but the Harry Potter thing meant enough to her that she was willing to push the issue. And the teacher who got me the book knew exactly who I was and what my mom thought. I think that's why she didn't insist that we replace the books. The kid was in 5th or 6th grade, and he could've been a couple years older. My mom works with a lot of kids who've been held back.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:41 pm
Blue you are severely over estimating the school system. I went to public school and the teachers, the principal, and even the nurse were unaware I had a chronic illness despite it being written in the medical forms my parents would fill out every year. I ended up having to switch schools because they were unable to deal with the extra attention I needed.
And for a child in the 5th or 6th grade to believe in magic makes me worried about their mental condition. I was introduced to Harry Potter in the 3rd grade but I never believed it could be real.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:59 pm
Shiori Miko Blue you are severely over estimating the school system. I went to public school and the teachers, the principal, and even the nurse were unaware I had a chronic illness despite it being written in the medical forms my parents would fill out every year. I ended up having to switch schools because they were unable to deal with the extra attention I needed. And for a child in the 5th or 6th grade to believe in magic makes me worried about their mental condition. I was introduced to Harry Potter in the 3rd grade but I never believed it could be real. Sorry sweatdrop , I'm an idealist so I tend to expect a lot out of the world. If it were up to me the entire school system would be rearranged to teach people how to think about things instead of teaching them how to memorize facts. I don't think in this case I'm severly overestimating it though. I happen to think what goes on a kid's head is really important, and that a system should at least be tried before it's put down. Or, you know, the books could simply not be put on school shelves (along with Narnia if parents really do have a problem with it)...Seriously though, I'd hate that (for both books. I hate seeing books banned). I'd really rather just see a system worked out. I'm not sure he was right in the head either...I'll ask for some specifics from my mom. Anyway, that's just a case from someone I know. Like I said, there's more cases in one of those links.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:58 pm
Someoneiknow brainnsoup Someoneiknow 4shi Someoneiknow But a few pages ago you said you found so much that you liked in the Harry Potter series. Technically, if you hate a person's work, their life and their calling, by default, you hate that person. You can say you dislike, but be careful of the words you use. Hate is a very strong word, and it can all tie in together with everything else. Kind of like how a person may hate wal-mart, but not hate sam walton. Well, Sam Walton made Wal-mart, Wal-mart was his calling and his life, so therefore, by default, you hate Sam Walton. God only hates sin, so unless you think Harry Potter is pure sin, you should be careful about "hating" it. My problem with your argument is that it's oversimplistic. Edgar Allen Poe, for example, is my favorite American author yet I hate certain works of his. I obviously can't hate and love a person at the same time in those instances. Also, there comes the question of how much a work stays as someone's (apart from namesake, copyright, and the like) once it is released into the public. In the frame of your Wal-Mart example, not all Wal-Marts are managed to the letter the same way (though policies are supposed to prevent that). If someone poorly manages a Wal-Mart, the employees are unhappy, and they take it out on the customers. The customers, however, love the better-run Wal-Mart as opposed to the aforementioned Wal-Mart, which they hate. Do they hate the managers, who have taken Sam Walton's work and made it their own in some way? Do they hate Sam Walton since they hate that one Wal-Mart? Or do they just hate the one Wal-Mart for the employees who contributed to the work at hand? I'm taking it from the stance that you should hate nothing but sin. You can hate whatever you want, but I feel that hate is a strong word, and should be used carefully. It is typically used to denote when a person is most angry, and when they want to cause the most harm. So I feel that it should be used sparingly if at all. This pertains to what you said by how I feel you shouldn't say casually that you hate something. And yes, sometimes it isn't necessarily the entity itself that you hate, but say a personality or trait that you hate. But that should be emphasized when you are stating the point, rather than saying you hate the whole thing. Like how in the Harry Potter series, I hate the use of magical entities in the book, or the childish euphamism, rather than the whole book which did take up a lot of J.K. Rowling's time to complete and I think she would be rather proud of it. So by stating that you hate it, if she were there, she would most likely take that as a personal stab against her.
Her books have thousands of fans and are at the center of many of my generation's fondest childhood memories.
And they have, at the same time, people who say that her book is satanic and gather in groups to protest and burn them.
I doubt that her day would be ruined if she found out that Eternal didn't like her books.
Or at least that she would be any less hurt than if she found out that you hate the use of magical entities in the book.
How do you like the book if you hate the use of magic by the way?I didn't say you had to like the book, I just said you had to show that you disliked a certain element about the book, rather than just stating that you hate the book indeffinately and leaving no ground for someone to see why you do not like it. And how do you know? Do you know J.K. Rowling? Have you ever had a sit down chat with her? I was speaking of a hypothetical meeting between the two where both knew each other personally, not a literal one.
It seems she that a huge part of why she doesn't like it is a feeling she has which she had trouble explaining.
And ultimately she didn't like the books, so it was an accurate statement.
It's like, I don't like mayo.
Maybe I don't like the texture.
I'm not a fan of the way it smells.
It freaks me out the way it oozes out of the jar.
But that's all unnecessary information.
I don't like mayo.
How do you know that she would be offended?
And I'm sure if her and Eternal knew eachother personally, Eternal would probably try to protect her feelings regardless of how she felt about the book.
Either way, it's irrelevant because they don't know eachother and she was only stating her opinion in our guild's little forum.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:12 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Don't bother yourself with it if it's a hassle.
It would be interesting, but if she's busy or something then that's fine.
I just see no problem with you quoting her exact words to help your point.
Islam? Either way, I'm glad they started doing that.
Before that must have been really hard on parents who want to keep their children from eating pork.
What age group does your mom teach?
And learning a kid's name is different. It's a high priority.
Then I'd assume under that are allergies and health coniditions.
But though maybe one or two kids aren't allowed to read Harry Potter, one or two other kids aren't allowed to read Narnia because of the Christian themes.
Each parent is going to have some set of rules at the same priority as keeping Harry Potter away from kids that they would like enforced.
One of my friends wants to go into elementary school education.
She said they have so many students per teacher that it's hard enough to make sure that they're following the school rules and are safe and that it's impossible to give each one individual attention.
Besides, I've yet to hear of one kid who seriously actually turned to witchcraft because of reading Harry Potter. It'd be more of a hassle because I doubt I can actually get her to sit down and type. She doesn't especially like computers. I think I'll have her write it out, and I'll type it. They had a large population of (Islamic? I think that's it, but I can't be sure) kids. And she teaches elementary reading, though I think she's certified for more then that. She teaches in the inner city, which should probrably worry me, but strangely doesn't. Questionable books could be set at the corner of a shelf, and there could be a list the teacher/librarians keep. I doubt it'd be that hard to enforce, especially in an elementary school classroom, where the teacher has about 20 kids they see every day. Is 20 kids to a teacher a lot? That's the ratio around here, but it could be different elsewhere. And the parents involvement makes a huge difference. In the inner city they have a fight a day, and the kids were talking at one point about how many friends they had that were dead. One of my mom's students tried to rob her until she recognized him. It's a lot different here, where the worst most kids do is skip class occasionally. And that's still comparing elementary to high school. I think one of the links I put up had some stories on it. I could try to find it again...
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter?Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
I know in my dad's school they even have to empty all of their pockets every time they go into the restroom and they're not allowed to have sharpies so they don't write gang signs.
Gangs are a huge problem where my dad works.
And I agree that religion is a huge part of a person's life.
But with public schools, it must be kept at home.
It's not fair to pander to the every whim of one religion's parents while ignoring others.
And it's impossible to enforce them all.
XD And how old was the kid?My mom's school isn't like that except that they took the doors of the bathroom stalls. Apparently some kid thought it would be a great idea to flood the school by clogging all the toilets. rolleyes I still think it'd be worth the hassle, especially if it's only one or two things. With my mom it was Harry Potter. My mom's a teacher, she knows what it's like to keep track of kids, but the Harry Potter thing meant enough to her that she was willing to push the issue. And the teacher who got me the book knew exactly who I was and what my mom thought. I think that's why she didn't insist that we replace the books. The kid was in 5th or 6th grade, and he could've been a couple years older. My mom works with a lot of kids who've been held back.
That seems a little extreme.
Haha, schools have no idea what to do when it comes to protecting their precious bathrooms, do they?
I know that in my junior year of high school someone wrote threats on the wall of one of the bathroom stalls saying "prepare to die", and our suburban school had no idea how to deal with it.
Their plan did however include teachers having to wait outside and make sure that no one was writing on the walls.
Because that's not, like, demeaning or anything. XD
And after that they got the hall monitors to do it and every once in a while they had to check the stalls to make sure there were no threats written on them and students had to start signing in and out on a sheet of paper every time they left the room and when.
Some teachers stopped letting kids leave the room so freely because they didn't like the idea of their students' names being on a list of suspects...
As if it would do anything.
If we learned anything from the few weeks after the threat it was that it was way easier than we thought to get past school security. :/
And it still doesn't strike me as a priotity because I still can't see any reasonable evidence for why the books are at all harmfull.
But that just brings us back to the origional argument, doesn't it? XD
And at that age I don't see it as cause for alarm, even if you do think that magic is evil.
At that age I don't see it as anything more than imagination, which I actually think should be encouraged.
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:51 am
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Haha, I'm more than familiar with that problem.
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter? Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
I know in my dad's school they even have to empty all of their pockets every time they go into the restroom and they're not allowed to have sharpies so they don't write gang signs.
Gangs are a huge problem where my dad works.
And I agree that religion is a huge part of a person's life.
But with public schools, it must be kept at home.
It's not fair to pander to the every whim of one religion's parents while ignoring others.
And it's impossible to enforce them all.
XD And how old was the kid?My mom's school isn't like that except that they took the doors of the bathroom stalls. Apparently some kid thought it would be a great idea to flood the school by clogging all the toilets. rolleyes I still think it'd be worth the hassle, especially if it's only one or two things. With my mom it was Harry Potter. My mom's a teacher, she knows what it's like to keep track of kids, but the Harry Potter thing meant enough to her that she was willing to push the issue. And the teacher who got me the book knew exactly who I was and what my mom thought. I think that's why she didn't insist that we replace the books. The kid was in 5th or 6th grade, and he could've been a couple years older. My mom works with a lot of kids who've been held back.
That seems a little extreme.
Haha, schools have no idea what to do when it comes to protecting their precious bathrooms, do they?
I know that in my junior year of high school someone wrote threats on the wall of one of the bathroom stalls saying "prepare to die", and our suburban school had no idea how to deal with it.
Their plan did however include teachers having to wait outside and make sure that no one was writing on the walls.
Because that's not, like, demeaning or anything. XD
And after that they got the hall monitors to do it and every once in a while they had to check the stalls to make sure there were no threats written on them and students had to start signing in and out on a sheet of paper every time they left the room and when.
Some teachers stopped letting kids leave the room so freely because they didn't like the idea of their students' names being on a list of suspects...
As if it would do anything.
If we learned anything from the few weeks after the threat it was that it was way easier than we thought to get past school security. :/
And it still doesn't strike me as a priotity because I still can't see any reasonable evidence for why the books are at all harmfull.
But that just brings us back to the origional argument, doesn't it? XD
And at that age I don't see it as cause for alarm, even if you do think that magic is evil.
At that age I don't see it as anything more than imagination, which I actually think should be encouraged.Apparently it is. Who knew? And lol, it is extreme. Woah, that sounds serious, though actually we just went through something a bit like that. Some kids from the inner city have started coming to my school, and last month one of them brought in a gun. They brought it in to one of the meanest teacher's classes, and everyone somehow they found it on him before he did anything. No one got hurt, but now that teacher is trying to make it so kids can't wear backpacks during school, and the rest of the staff is supporting her. All the kids are freaking because not having backpacks isn't gonna make us feel any safer, and it's gonna make getting around school a lot harder. It's just a bad situation >.< It does. I just still think there's certain kids who shouldn't read the books. That kid my mom taught shouldn't have (I checked. He does have some kind of learning disability, and reading the book definitely had a bad impact on him. He wasn't just being imaginative, he actually lost track of reality.), and parents who have a problem with it should be allowed to keep their kids from it. Plus it'd make those parents happy, and the folks who are rallying to have the books banned might quit it. A lot of them would probrably prefer the books banned, but would be content with knowing their kids wouldn't touch them (I think that's where my mom's coming from).
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:14 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Haha, I'm more than familiar with that problem.
My mom is more than happy to type and answer emails, but whenever there's a problem with the computer no one will even touch it. They just wait for me.
Once no one could figure out what was wrong with the printer...
It was unplugged. x.x'
And my dad teaches middle school in a rough area of the city too.
I don't worry though. The security there is insane.
If anything I feel bad for the kids who didn't do anything wrong. They get treated like criminals.
And it just seems like a lot of trouble to go through for one little book series.
I can't think of one person that I know who would not let their kids read it.
Even my relatives who are very religious.
Maybe my aunt... But she homeschooled all four kids to shelter them.
Here in the suburbs I grew up in I think it's closer to 30 kids.
No clue on my dad's school. We don't talk much.
I would ask my friend who's studying to be a teacher, but I haven't seen her since she left for college.
And a kid tried to rob your mom? How old was he?
The biggest problem my dad's school has is probably keeping weapons and keep gangs from recruiting and fighting in the schools.
The school's like a prison but they do a pretty good job of keeping control.
Do you have a specific story from a non-biased source of a kid practicing real magic because, not after, of reading Harry Potter? Lol, and my sister's the one who does that for me, but at least I use the computer. My mom only touched it once because she absolutle had to for her job. I don't think there's much security where my mom works, but i've never actually been there, so who knows? Religion is important, and can be possibly be the most important thing in a person's life. In this case, I think the trouble is worth it. I'm not sure, but he was bigger then my mom. A bunch of the kids have been held back for 2 or 3 years, and I think they go up to 8th grade. The point, is he tried to rob her, and she knew him. And gangs are a problem in my mo's school too, but I think they have a bigger problem with kids fighting. Well my mom taught a kid who was convinced he could do magic because of Harry Potter.
I know in my dad's school they even have to empty all of their pockets every time they go into the restroom and they're not allowed to have sharpies so they don't write gang signs.
Gangs are a huge problem where my dad works.
And I agree that religion is a huge part of a person's life.
But with public schools, it must be kept at home.
It's not fair to pander to the every whim of one religion's parents while ignoring others.
And it's impossible to enforce them all.
XD And how old was the kid?My mom's school isn't like that except that they took the doors of the bathroom stalls. Apparently some kid thought it would be a great idea to flood the school by clogging all the toilets. rolleyes I still think it'd be worth the hassle, especially if it's only one or two things. With my mom it was Harry Potter. My mom's a teacher, she knows what it's like to keep track of kids, but the Harry Potter thing meant enough to her that she was willing to push the issue. And the teacher who got me the book knew exactly who I was and what my mom thought. I think that's why she didn't insist that we replace the books. The kid was in 5th or 6th grade, and he could've been a couple years older. My mom works with a lot of kids who've been held back.
That seems a little extreme.
Haha, schools have no idea what to do when it comes to protecting their precious bathrooms, do they?
I know that in my junior year of high school someone wrote threats on the wall of one of the bathroom stalls saying "prepare to die", and our suburban school had no idea how to deal with it.
Their plan did however include teachers having to wait outside and make sure that no one was writing on the walls.
Because that's not, like, demeaning or anything. XD
And after that they got the hall monitors to do it and every once in a while they had to check the stalls to make sure there were no threats written on them and students had to start signing in and out on a sheet of paper every time they left the room and when.
Some teachers stopped letting kids leave the room so freely because they didn't like the idea of their students' names being on a list of suspects...
As if it would do anything.
If we learned anything from the few weeks after the threat it was that it was way easier than we thought to get past school security. :/
And it still doesn't strike me as a priotity because I still can't see any reasonable evidence for why the books are at all harmfull.
But that just brings us back to the origional argument, doesn't it? XD
And at that age I don't see it as cause for alarm, even if you do think that magic is evil.
At that age I don't see it as anything more than imagination, which I actually think should be encouraged.Apparently it is. Who knew? And lol, it is extreme. Woah, that sounds serious, though actually we just went through something a bit like that. Some kids from the inner city have started coming to my school, and last month one of them brought in a gun. They brought it in to one of the meanest teacher's classes, and everyone somehow they found it on him before he did anything. No one got hurt, but now that teacher is trying to make it so kids can't wear backpacks during school, and the rest of the staff is supporting her. All the kids are freaking because not having backpacks isn't gonna make us feel any safer, and it's gonna make getting around school a lot harder. It's just a bad situation >.< It does. I just still think there's certain kids who shouldn't read the books. That kid my mom taught shouldn't have (I checked. He does have some kind of learning disability, and reading the book definitely had a bad impact on him. He wasn't just being imaginative, he actually lost track of reality.), and parents who have a problem with it should be allowed to keep their kids from it. Plus it'd make those parents happy, and the folks who are rallying to have the books banned might quit it. A lot of them would probrably prefer the books banned, but would be content with knowing their kids wouldn't touch them (I think that's where my mom's coming from).
Or any of my old schools for that matter.
That's kinda messed up.
And wow! o.o
Was he planning to use it?
I don't blame the teacher for getting freaked out...
But yeah, they really have no idea how to protect the school.
Like with us, so the kid wrote threats on the bathroom wall.
But how is checking the bathroom walls every day going to protect us?
It has nothing to do with anything!
Or with your situation, so what if they take away backpacks?
There's still purses, pockets, baggy clothes.
It's scary that with all of the added "security", if someone wanted to bring a weapon to school, they could. Easily. No matter how many times we check the bathroom stalls.
And I guess I see your point with keeping parents happy.
I think the series is harmless and youl have been seriously upset if someone took it away from me when I was a kid, but it's the parents' right to decide that their kids can't read the books, no matter how ridiculous the reasoning is.
I guess I could agree with you on the fact that it should be kept away from certain kids in schools if there was a practical way.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:01 pm
Shadows-shine quietstorm 2 Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing. Well that's where the parent's need to set bounderies for their kids. It's up to the parent to teach the kid the difference between fiction and reality. And Harry Potter will not teach a kid to want to do magic, it in no way reflects on the actual magic community. So yea, if some kid wants to go grab a twig and start waving it around saying they are doing magic like Harry Potter did then they will look really silly. That's what I want to do on Halloween cool
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:17 pm
Semiremis Shadows-shine quietstorm 2 Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing. Well that's where the parent's need to set bounderies for their kids. It's up to the parent to teach the kid the difference between fiction and reality. And Harry Potter will not teach a kid to want to do magic, it in no way reflects on the actual magic community. So yea, if some kid wants to go grab a twig and start waving it around saying they are doing magic like Harry Potter did then they will look really silly. That's what I want to do on Halloween cool I did that when I was younger and had read the Harry Potter books. I found all sorts of twigs in my back yard and they became my wands.
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