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 Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:05 pm
Since I saw this in another thread, I figured we might as well start it's own thread. Is Harry Potter really teaching children how to perform dark magic and in turn, turn all of the nation's youth into demonic, satanic, dark creatures. Or is Harry Potter just a fun, fictional novel about a boy overcoming a dark adversary that has plagued him since conception?
I for one thinks it's absurd to think Harry Potter is anything but a fictional novel for fun and pure enjoyment. We have C.S. Lewis writing children's books that contain magic and what not, why not a catholic woman from Great Britain doing the same?
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:37 am
I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem?
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:05 am
It's fiction. It's entertaining. I don't see much more than that. Also there's nothing in the books explaining "what magic is" so how can it teach kids "magic"? Well this is what the opposition has to say against Harry Potter. Though he seems to think that anything that isn't in the "Real" Bible or supports the "Real" Bible is against God and thus supporting unGodly behavior.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:23 am
Someoneiknow Since I saw this in another thread, I figured we might as well start it's own thread. Is Harry Potter really teaching children how to perform dark magic and in turn, turn all of the nation's youth into demonic, satanic, dark creatures. Or is Harry Potter just a fun, fictional novel about a boy overcoming a dark adversary that has plagued him since conception? I wish Harry Potter taught me how to perform magic! Would have been so much easier than tracking down all of my mom's Fwicca books and being fluffy for a couple years! No, it's a fictional story. Much as I dislike the use of the term in this context, Harry is actually a literary "Christ-figure."
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:01 am
Ah, the Harry Potter is about magic and magic is evil argument. Honestly, these things make me laugh. Most of the issues here seem to stem from a single passage in the King James Bible.
Come on people, it's just a story. A fictional narrative that's meant to entertain. Let it go.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:22 am
Harry Potter isn't even based on anything REMOTELY Pagan or Wiccan to beggin with. rolleyes i find it insulting, ignorant, and arrogant for Christians to look at Harry Potter and call it Satanic, or a series about Paganism or Magic... it's a fictional story, that in fact teaches some very Christian-friendly values! it's a book series about growing up, and dealing with harshness in the world, and fighting against oppression and evil. it's a book that teaches that Love conquers all pain and fear, and that by trusting in your friends you can make a real difference in the world no matter how small you are. it has NOTHING at all, WHATSOEVER, to do with Paganism. i think if some Christians would just READ the damn book before acting like experts on the issue they wouldn't make such self-righteous assholes of themselves. honestly.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:35 am
Someoneiknow Since I saw this in another thread, I figured we might as well start it's own thread. Is Harry Potter really teaching children how to perform dark magic and in turn, turn all of the nation's youth into demonic, satanic, dark creatures. Or is Harry Potter just a fun, fictional novel about a boy overcoming a dark adversary that has plagued him since conception? I for one thinks it's absurd to think Harry Potter is anything but a fictional novel for fun and pure enjoyment. We have C.S. Lewis writing children's books that contain magic and what not, why not a catholic woman from Great Britain doing the same? I agree with you. It's just fiction. If J. K. Rowling were trying to pass it off to kids as real and attemptable, that would be another story altogether.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:46 am
Well, Harry Potter is fiction, and it's quite detailed in how the magic works in the story. If anyone attempted it, they'd just look very silly. If anything, Lord of the Rings or Narnia would be more likely to make people want to try magic, because magic is so much more mysterious in those worlds.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:23 pm
Agree with every one in here that said that it's just a book, it's fiction, and it's meant for sheer entertainment.
My dad was one of those religious fanatics who had a fit when Harry Potter came out. His pastor at the church he attends even devoted an entire sermon on how dark and evil the book was. Every one in the congregation was freaking out and shunning their kids and themselves for having seen it. My step brother was practically in tears that he went and saw, then turned around and told that it was all bad and that he shouldn't have watched it. My dad lectured me for hours about the book and movie, telling me that I exposed myself to great evil and that I needed to repent. I just rolled my eyes and nodded my head.
I am a fan of the books and the movies. I own all the books and am working on getting all the movies. I will say that they have not made me want to practice dark magic or any form of magic, nor have they made think "evil" thoughts, etc.
The books are pure fiction and meant for the enjoyment of reading as a book of fiction.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:26 pm
Voldemort point two Well, Harry Potter is fiction, and it's quite detailed in how the magic works in the story. If anyone attempted it, they'd just look very silly. If anything, Lord of the Rings or Narnia would be more likely to make people want to try magic, because magic is so much more mysterious in those worlds. Yea, I agree. My dad actually says that the books by JR Tolkien and CS Lewis are justified in writing about magic in their books because they are "Christian" authors. Well that's a really lame arguement because JK Rowling is Catholic, how is she any less Christian than the previous to authors are? But yet her books are evil?
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:36 pm
Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:49 pm
quietstorm 2 as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children No, I don't think so. The first two or three, maybe, but after that it gets into more teenage themes and by the seventh it's too complex for a young impressionable child to understand. And it makes sense that they're written that way, because it follows this kid as he's growing up; naturally he's going to continue seeing the world in more and more grown-up ways.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:55 pm
quietstorm 2 Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing. Well that's where the parent's need to set bounderies for their kids. It's up to the parent to teach the kid the difference between fiction and reality. And Harry Potter will not teach a kid to want to do magic, it in no way reflects on the actual magic community. So yea, if some kid wants to go grab a twig and start waving it around saying they are doing magic like Harry Potter did then they will look really silly.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:05 pm
quietstorm 2 Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing.
There are a lot of lessons in the book intended for kids such as lessons on individuality and bravery.
Not so much "Hey kids, try magic!"
Not that every little kid doesn't secretly hope for their letter from Hogwarts when they turn 11.
But that's no different than kids looking for Narnia in their closets or dreaming of Neverland.
If you know anything about Harry Potter or anything about Wicca, then you can see that they are not at all related.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:08 pm
Shadows-shine quietstorm 2 Majnooni I don't understand the religious issue (primarily Christian, I think, but maybe others take issue) with Harry Potter. There is a difference between being entertained by a fictional story about a fictional concept of magic, and actually practicing dark magic, or magic of any kind. I think that as long as you are old/sane enough to separate story from reality, what is the problem? You are correct as long as you are old enough to seperate story from reality, there won't likely be any problems, but as it stands the stories are usually geared towards the young impressionable children who are most times intrigued and curious enough to seek more information about magic and it continuous to lead if curiosity is not satisfied, but this is how one learns by seeking or pursuing. Well that's where the parent's need to set bounderies for their kids. It's up to the parent to teach the kid the difference between fiction and reality. And Harry Potter will not teach a kid to want to do magic, it in no way reflects on the actual magic community. So yea, if some kid wants to go grab a twig and start waving it around saying they are doing magic like Harry Potter did then they will look really silly.
They were 18 at the time. :l
I need to get cooler friends...
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