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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:46 pm
Lyneun I thank you two for your honesty. I don't think either of you know much of my spiritual history (ah, there is an unused thread somewhere on the main guild forums page that deals with Christian magic), but I have a few reasons for asking these questions. I was involved in witchcraft for many years, heavily and dangerously. It ruined my life, spiritually, and in the physical. I am always cautious and defensive when approaching things like this. Part of me, doesn't want anyone else to get dragged in and destroyed, and so I demand the hard questions. Other people in the guild might not agree with me, but I believe there is a kind of magic that comes from our Creator, one given to divine spiritual beings, as well as humans, as we do exist in more than just the physical. I understand what you say about spiritual warfare. I don't want you to look at me as someone who is standing opposite you on this issue, but apart from the issue, observing both sides, and deciding where I stand. Then it seems that you and I see about eye-to-eye... at least in terms of the metaphysical. I don't mind the hard questions. I'm glad you care enough to ask. And I'm glad that you were satisfied (for the moment xd ) by my answer. If I sincerely thought what I was doing was somethng other than God's will, if I had any doubts, I wouldn't be so encouraging of those wanting to learn more. dragongirl42391 I think before, I wasn't really understanding what this whole "energy magick thing" was that you were trying to describe. I think I understand more now. What you describe to me doesn't seem like magic(k) at all, but merely an encounter with the holy spirit, a spiritual gift, etc etc. I think I understand a whole lot better now. This whole "energy thing" also intrigues me greatly, but warning bells go off in my head at the same time. (The strange duality of human nature) I would only advise you to be careful and biblical. However, I still stand by what I said earlier. If we had needed to know about this stuff, God would ahve allowed it to be included in the Bible. Everything thats in the Bible is a spiritual weapon. I admit, sometimes I let my sword go dull, but I try to sharpen it often! Maybe I 'll run acroos something in the Bible that compliments what you're saying. I'm interested/confused about this energy work. Can post something explaining it even more clearly to me? Like what exactly it enatails? *takes a deep breath and blows it out slowly* Oh, the can of worms this opens... *cracks fingers* Luckily, I like a challenge. *grin* The easier one first: I try to follow the Bible... when I can. Yes, I know that it's God's rulebook to life, and needs to be respected, the people who wrote the books and put it all together were led by the Spirit. But, at the same time, there's SO much left out. We were given the basics, in my mind. I want to find out where the MORE is in my faith. Energy work... The basic premise of what I practice (and I believe that Vincent is with me on this) is that all human beings (or all living things) have their own energy. You've probably heard it called chi or ki, and it's a mostly Eastern idealology. The idea is that anyone can learn to manipulate their own energy. All it takes is a little time and patience. As for WHAT you can do with it... Obviously you've heard us talk about shields. That's shaping your energy into something like a bubble, or something skintight, both to keep things out AND keep things in. I shield because when I walk through a room, I pick up other people's emotions. I'm empathic. For their privacy (and my sanity), I have an energy shield up to keep it all out. I also use it when I'm upset or angry to keep MY emotions from being flung all around, because I'm often around other people who are sensitive to my personal energy. I believe I'm using something that God gave to me, after much thought, prayer and talking. Vincent is MUCH more into ritual than I am, so for the hows and whys of that, you'll have to wait until he posts. If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me (or him, I'm sure. Vincent's a great guy. He likes answering questions. heart ) I'm sure I posted a link for Fushigi about energy classes that are being taught in a guild called Blessed Be. I think this link might help you understand a bit more as well. WelkingPath has a great way of explaining things.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:42 am
dragongirl42391 *sigh* Does everyone except for me have intersting spiritual stuff happen to them? Out of curiosity, waht denom is your church? Mine, doesn't do a whole lot of prophesying. Honestly, i wouldn't be where I am in it, or have noticed what had happened, if it weren't for my sister. Its an interesting ride, but it certainly didn't start fun. Its nice to be open to it and allow my sister to confide in me though. I was raised in the Church of Christ. I found that denom absolutely horrible and horrendously close minded. I'm currently a Christian, non denominational.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:44 am
ryuu_chan Vincent is MUCH more into ritual than I am, so for the hows and whys of that, you'll have to wait until he posts. If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me (or him, I'm sure. Vincent's a great guy. He likes answering questions. heart ) Sorry to undermine your confidence in me, but I'm still starting, not much real experience. All I have and know now is taken from books, slightly adapted. (Fun note, christian magic was mentioned in a book written by a Wiccan high Priestess) ((True Magick by Amber K, if anyone is interested, its a good book to read if only for the info.))
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:18 am
It is actually mentioned by a lot of pagans and pagan authors. They seem strangely open to it, as a whole, and some of them claim to be practicing "pagans" and Christians at the same time. (Pagans in quote, because pagan means non-Christian.)
I have a slight distaste for Llwellyn, but they publish people of many different backgrounds, even if a few of them are...a bit unreliable. *shrugs* What does the author say about Christian magic?
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:06 pm
Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K Sorry to undermine your confidence in me, but I'm still starting, not much real experience. All I have and know now is taken from books, slightly adapted. Ah good sir, I merely meant that you were more INTERESTED in them than myself. And a good source of where to learn them. xd
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:31 am
Lyneun It is actually mentioned by a lot of pagans and pagan authors. They seem strangely open to it, as a whole, and some of them claim to be practicing "pagans" and Christians at the same time. (Pagans in quote, because pagan means non-Christian.) I have a slight distaste for Llwellyn, but they publish people of many different backgrounds, even if a few of them are...a bit unreliable. *shrugs* What does the author say about Christian magic? In truth its only a mention of the idea of it. The book is a beginners guide, and mentions several different traditions, it amused me and, I have to admit, fueled my resolve a bit to hear it mentioned as a plausible/established tradition. (Had I the book with me I'd look again to be sure of the context, but alas I have lent it to my father in Ohio.) ((Edit: I felt I should get another copy, which I have done. As if to support my claims of guidance, when I arrived at the book store I found/was immediately drawn to a book on contacting/communing with your guardian angel. Anyway, it seems I might well have to read the book through again to find the reference I saw before, couldn't find it where I thought it'd be, but if I do find it I will relate the context in which it was used.))
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:57 pm
Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K ((Edit: I felt I should get another copy, which I have done. As if to support my claims of guidance, when I arrived at the book store I found/was immediately drawn to a book on contacting/communing with your guardian angel. Anyway, it seems I might well have to read the book through again to find the reference I saw before, couldn't find it where I thought it'd be, but if I do find it I will relate the context in which it was used.)) Which reminds me, I think it you was you I told about the book of angels? You or Lethkhar, and I can't remember which. Either way, it's interesting lore for the reading. It's just called The Book of Angels, written by Ruth Thompson, L.A. Williams and Renae Taylor.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:50 pm
Lyneun Quote: *sigh* Does everyone except for me have intersting spiritual stuff happen to them? Sometimes, they are not the best things. sad I would be grateful if I had nothing spiritual happen to me. Most of it hurts too much, good or bad. mmmmm, and I know you are right. Again, it is that stragne duality of human nature. One side of me wishes it, but another voice in my head says you don't want to get involved with that stuff.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:58 am
ryuu_chan It's just called The Book of Angels, written by Ruth Thompson, L.A. Williams and Renae Taylor. Actually the first book on angels I got.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:22 am
ryuu_chan Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K ((Edit: I felt I should get another copy, which I have done. As if to support my claims of guidance, when I arrived at the book store I found/was immediately drawn to a book on contacting/communing with your guardian angel. Anyway, it seems I might well have to read the book through again to find the reference I saw before, couldn't find it where I thought it'd be, but if I do find it I will relate the context in which it was used.)) Which reminds me, I think it you was you I told about the book of angels? You or Lethkhar, and I can't remember which. Either way, it's interesting lore for the reading. It's just called The Book of Angels, written by Ruth Thompson, L.A. Williams and Renae Taylor. Is it legit? neutral
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:08 pm
Honestly, it didn't speak to me at all. In fact, I kinda laughed my way through it. I read it simply for the stories, which ARE based on Biblical passages, but I'm not sure how accurate it really is. It's more of a FUN read for me. I'm not sure I really trust ANYTHING when it comes to angelic lores, I might be biased. *shrug*
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:57 am
ryuu_chan Honestly, it didn't speak to me at all. In fact, I kinda laughed my way through it. I read it simply for the stories, which ARE based on Biblical passages, but I'm not sure how accurate it really is. It's more of a FUN read for me. I'm not sure I really trust ANYTHING when it comes to angelic lores, I might be biased. *shrug* I want to trust it. It was one of those things that my eyes were just drawn to and I knew I had to get it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:51 pm
Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K I want to trust it. It was one of those things that my eyes were just drawn to and I knew I had to get it. It has pretty pictures in it if that helps. lol
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:51 am
Quote a passage for me, say, about Gabriel?
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:53 pm
Lyneun Quote a passage for me, say, about Gabriel? Tired as I am I don't feel like getting up at the moment, I'll post something complete later. What I can remember off the top of my head right now, specifically of Gabriel, is that it stated that he was the one who attacked Sodom and Gomorrah when God declared his wrath. ::Edit: Ok, Quotes from the book.:: Quote: Whereas those who came before him, Samael and Michael, had specific attributes that they could focus on their provinces, Gabriel Serves as the intermediary between God and Man. And What I spoke of Above. Quote: In perhaps his most awesome display of Celestial might against man, Gabriel was charged to raze the brazen, sinful cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground.
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