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 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:05 am
Ok, tough topic here, Very Controversial.
I am an Avid Christian, raised by a Minister, striving towards god in all I do/have done all my life. Through thought and study I have come to beleave that God is not against magic(k), at least not as much or to the extent that most Christians believe.
I myself have decided, through prayer and meditation, that god is not against what is commonly refered to by practitioners as White magic(k), meaning magic(k) used to benefit your self or others and causing no harm. As such I've been researching and practicing, if on a minimal scale, a bit of magic(k). It is my belief that God is leading me down this path and I will follow it to the end.
My question and topic of discussion is your own beliefs, and how you feel about magic(k).
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:25 am
Before answering, I'm curious as to your description of magic. Is it the bubbling cauldron-type of magic, the one with rites and incantations, or the more subtle mind-body-energy magic? The first one... Not that I pay much attention to what the Bible has to say on it because my personal opinion is that it doesn't much work anyway and why bother wasting time on it? You know, saying an incantation over herbs and putting them under your pillow when they're natural healing agents to begin with? The second... my thoughts on pyschic energies are probably going to sound outlandish, but the bare basis of that opinion is that it's simply a part of being human and that, long ago, all humans knew how to use them. So, the Wicca kind of magic is out. That's pretty clearly stated in the Bible. As for the other... we're not tapping into anything but ourselves.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:22 pm
((Sorry It took so long was due at work soon))
Both really. THe latter, Subtle Mind-Body-Energy, is the basic of all magic. The Rites and Incantations, herbs, stones, and all that, are used to help focus, gather, and directing the Energy.
So, your right, we're not tapping into anything but outselves, in most cases. But, it is widely advised to gather energy from all sources and not just yourself, or yourself at all. A main source of that outside energy is "The Divine.
SO now that that is explained, what are your views.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:53 pm
I think why so many people are against it might be the fact that people who use Magick turn to magick as a source to sort out their life, a source of strength, or a least a supplement to life. The problem is that God is supposed to be your source of strength and when you rely on anything else it will ultimately let you down.
Magick is dangerous in that way because some people become dependent on it and go in deeper, and once you get in deep enough, and starting dealing with some serious stuff then you find that you're in deep doo doo and magick, what you depended on, led you into this pile of doo doo and it can't lead you out. (Weird way to put it but....yeah.)
Basically, Magick is a little like telling God you've found something better than Him, and that's just not good. But if your Magick doesn't do these described things....well I don't know. But the Bible still says it's a no no.
Here are all the verses I found relating to sorcery:
Leviticus 19:26
" 'Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. " 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.
Numbers 23:23
There is no sorcery against Jacob, no divination against Israel. It will now be said of Jacob and of Israel, 'See what God has done!'
Numbers 24:1
Now when Balaam saw that it pleased the LORD to bless Israel, he did not resort to sorcery as at other times, but turned his face toward the desert.
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Deuteronomy 18:14
[ The Prophet ] The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not
2 Kings 17:17
They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sorcery and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.)
2 Kings 21:6
He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced sorcery and divination, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.
2 Chronicles 33:6
He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.
Acts 8:9
[ Simon the Sorcerer ] Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great,
Acts 19:19
A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:08 pm
Good scripture, the only problem is the definitions used, the Common biblical definition of Witchcraft in the bible is "Consorting with evil forces/Spirits"
Most Divination, at the time, I believe, was defined as contacting the dead which I define as black magic.
The whole problem is the definitions.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:25 am
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! DEVIL CHILD!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!1! YOU GOIN TO HELL!%&^%!&^%&!%$&^!$!&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate people like that, don't you?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:14 pm
GuardianAngel44 AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! DEVIL CHILD!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!1! YOU GOIN TO HELL!%&^%!&^%&!%$&^!$!&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate people like that, don't you? Lol Agreed
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:14 am
Well, as I'm only fifteen, I am really not informative, so don't take me too seriously. ( stare ) I don't believe any sort of magic(k) is right, because aren't we only supposed to rely on God? He is the source of everything - we shouldn't have to do it ourselves. We should ask for His guidance and His power... not our own. Know what I mean?
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:15 am
GuardianAngel44 AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! DEVIL CHILD!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!1! YOU GOIN TO HELL!%&^%!&^%&!%$&^!$!&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate people like that, don't you?
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
That's what you call Christians that give us a bad name. xd
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:53 am
Sakura_Chan133 Well, as I'm only fifteen, I am really not informative, so don't take me too seriously. ( stare ) I don't believe any sort of magic(k) is right, because aren't we only supposed to rely on God? He is the source of everything - we shouldn't have to do it ourselves. We should ask for His guidance and His power... not our own. Know what I mean? You have a good point, one I stand with and highly support. One of the most important basics of magic is to find a holy power to support you in your workings. All that I've read leads to the fact that a deity to stand before is important. Why can't god be that divine source? As for "His guidance and His power" it is there to, what is the Holy Spirit if not our connection to god through which his power flows?
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:54 am
Sakura_Chan133 GuardianAngel44 AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! DEVIL CHILD!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!1! YOU GOIN TO HELL!%&^%!&^%&!%$&^!$!&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate people like that, don't you?
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
That's what you call Christians that give us a bad name. xd Those are fanatics. AKA, Roman catholics.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:50 pm
Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K Those are fanatics. AKA, Roman catholics. Easy there dude. I don't want to have to yell at you for denomination bashing (even if i tend to agree with you). *ahem* I think just about all of Christianity agrees with the standard no-witchcraft dealy. Other forms of magic... I don't know, I just can't get into the incantations thing. Just be sure you know what you're messing with. When humans do things that affect the spiritual world, we're in a little over our heads. Ouji boards, seances and all that is essentially shouting into a crowded room that you want attention... and not everything that answers is nice. All I can say is that pay attention to the verses listed for this particular circumstance, be careful, and in the end God will be the judge. xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:04 am
ryuu_chan I think just about all of Christianity agrees with the standard no-witchcraft dealy. Other forms of magic... I don't know, I just can't get into the incantations thing. Just be sure you know what you're messing with. When humans do things that affect the spiritual world, we're in a little over our heads. Ouji boards, seances and all that is essentially shouting into a crowded room that you want attention... and not everything that answers is nice. All I can say is that pay attention to the verses listed for this particular circumstance, be careful, and in the end God will be the judge. xd I thank you for your concern. Again I would say I have ever trusted god in my life, and the shielding ritual I do invokes god and the archangels. But again I would say this is not about me, I want to discuss it, I want to know that the common views are and why you all feel as you do. Treading fragile ground here I want to say that the current views as of now have, as I believe, been formed and reformed by the Roman Catholic Church. It was they who went on a crusade against magic. I don't use the word witchcraft for the very reason of the definition it carries in the bible. The church, as a whole now, has always taught that there is nothing else of the supernatural out there but God, his angels, Lucifer, and his demons. I say there is much more and we need to open our eyes and minds to it. Believe as a child would. Now, What say you?
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:42 pm
ryuu_chan Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K Those are fanatics. AKA, Roman catholics. Easy there dude. I don't want to have to yell at you for denomination bashing (even if i tend to agree with you). To be honest, I've found that Roman Catholics tend to be sort of pushovers when you debate them.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:13 pm
Vincent_Of_D.A.R.K Treading fragile ground here I want to say that the current views as of now have, as I believe, been formed and reformed by the Roman Catholic Church. It was they who went on a crusade against magic. I don't use the word witchcraft for the very reason of the definition it carries in the bible. The church, as a whole now, has always taught that there is nothing else of the supernatural out there but God, his angels, Lucifer, and his demons. I say there is much more and we need to open our eyes and minds to it. Believe as a child would. Now, What say you? I, personally, am of the firm belief that there is more than just angels and demons walking our planes. Not spirits in the horror movie sense of the word, not really ghosts, but SOMETHING supernatural. Something that we can't see. You know, the things that make the dogs in the house start barking for no reason and have the cats running for cover. I've learned how my manipulate my own energy (not very well, admittedly, but I'm still a beginner wink ), and I can tell when these things are around. The closest thing to a ritual I have is prayer. Christians have incredible power in the spiritual realm (this is, after all, a spiritual battle), if only we learned how to harnass it, and that's what I'M setting out to do. Is this magic? I don't know. I'll let you define it as you will. All I can say is that it brings me much closer to God than I have been before, meeting him on his ground, so to speak.
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