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Epona Bride

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:31 pm


Lulu-Vamp
If everyone went vegetarian the damage done to our environemtn would be astoundingly worse than any damage wrought by slaughterhouses. The amount of plants it would take and the amount of spoace and resources and chemicals needed to complete the task would be phenomonal, tkaing up nearly all remaining greenspace.


I'm dubious-could you please cite your sources?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:37 am


I'm almost vegan, does that give me points?

I agree with all the slaughterhouse jabber, mainly why I'm vegetarian.
I just don't like blood and knowing I'd be eating a once living, breathing creature. Animals just seem too sacred.

hibiscus10moon


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:41 pm


hibiscus10moon
I'm almost vegan, does that give me points?

I agree with all the slaughterhouse jabber, mainly why I'm vegetarian.
I just don't like blood and knowing I'd be eating a once living, breathing creature. Animals just seem too sacred.
I agree, but, to me, plants are just as sacred. Kinda like what Devin's been saying.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:53 pm


I'm afraid not, I really love animals and all but cutting yourself off from meat completely doesn't sound too smart.

I have to say though that the average american consumes way too much meat (just saying, I have nothing against my country), which in turn means more grain is devoted to raising cattle, that rather irks me considering the fact that food we could use to help out the not so fortunate shattered nations is being fed to some cow that'll end up converting all that grain into a smaller amount of beef in the end.

So yeah, I'm not vegetarian, but I don't eat that much meat, at least not as much as the next guy, mostly because too much meat isn't very healthy and for conservation purposes.

Screaming Wombat


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:57 pm


Secret Penguin Man
I'm afraid not, I really love animals and all but cutting yourself off from meat completely doesn't sound too smart.

I have to say though that the average american consumes way too much meat (just saying, I have nothing against my country), which in turn means more grain is devoted to raising cattle, that rather irks me considering the fact that food we could use to help out the not so fortunate shattered nations is being fed to some cow that'll end up converting all that grain into a smaller amount of beef in the end.

So yeah, I'm not vegetarian, but I don't eat that much meat, at least not as much as the next guy, mostly because too much meat isn't very healthy and for conservation purposes.
I just don't like meat. blaugh Except chicken. But it has to be chicken BREAST. And it has to be really well done. I like my meat easy to chew. whee
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:09 am


Lulu-Vamp
If everyone went vegetarian the damage done to our environemtn would be astoundingly worse than any damage wrought by slaughterhouses. The amount of plants it would take and the amount of spoace and resources and chemicals needed to complete the task would be phenomonal, tkaing up nearly all remaining greenspace.


I'm sorry, but this is false for elementary biological reasons. The truth of the matter is that energy is lost as you move up trophic levels. Although primary producers (plants) aren't very efficient in converting sunlight into stored energy (food), what stored energy they do produce is predominantly lost as you move up the food chain. Once you get to primary consumers (such as cattle), much of the primary production is lost. When we (secondary consumers) eat the cattle, even more stored energy is lost.

Ecologists have estimated that if everyone on earth survived on beef, the carrying capacity of the planet would be less than 1 billion people. (We currently have 6.6 billion.) If we survived on the most efficient photosynthetic organisms (algae), our carrying capacity would be around 24 billion. NOTE: These numbers assume that we devote every square inch of land to food production.

Lulu-Vamp
I also strongly believe in wild harvested meat. A bow and arrow and some camo clothes and you've got fresh meat. They evolved to be predated on and we evolved to eat them. If you don't eat the bunnies and the bambis than they will totally decimate the understory of our forests until it's bare and they are dying from the starvation and disease associated with high population numbers.


I agree that hunting and eating wild game is good, as long as the populations have no natural predators. (The idea situation is to re-introduce the natural predators, such as wolves, foxes, etc.) The major problem with hunting in our society (vs. nature) is that when it comes to deer, human hunters typically kill the strongest, healthiest males. Natural selection, on the other hand, would weed out the unhealthy individuals. Also, as long as hunting licenses require the shooting of at least 1 doe per buck, then things aren't too bad. It's when humans only kill the males that their efforts at "controlling the population" fail. (Females control the reproduction rate, not the males.)

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ignatious2

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:42 pm


I am!!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:38 am


ignatious2
I am!!
Would you like to share your reasons for being vegetarian with us? It's a heated issue, so we like to hear people and reasons on both sides. smile

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PoppyPatch

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:34 pm


well, after reading all of this, I have come to a conclusion( i was thinking about becoming vegetarian) I think I will mostly stick with no meat unless it's organic(they don't use harsh things on animals) I know that the animals are still being killed and it's horrible and everything, but like some people said before, meat does have some important things that humans need.

p.s. sorry if i offended any1 sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:02 pm


Yeah I've been thinking about staying with a little meat, preferably free range and organic, while I'm still a kid and getting my necessary nutrients...But maybe when I get older I'll go vegetarian. Not so sure yet...But I highly doubt I'll ever be completely vegan...

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Indicrow

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:54 am


Meat and plants for me, both have souls (in my believe), so why discriminate, you know?

I'm hoping that the meat market changes to mostly or full organic and free range, that'd be nice.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:26 pm


Of course not. I am an omnivour the way we are suppose to be. I by my stuff organically and from local farms though.

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PoppyPatch

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:18 pm


hmmm actully nvm I am vegetarian now because then I realized that we don't really buy organic meat, but it doesn't really matter because the only thing we really get from meat that we need is protein and Americans already get too much anyways. Also I just feel kinda guilty eating an animal. Would you eat your pet dog??? not much difference.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:51 am


forestnymf
Of course not. I am an omnivour the way we are suppose to be. I by my stuff organically and from local farms though.

The whole "supposed to be omnivore" idea is kinda iffy though...I used to say that too, but it's kinda muddly as to whether we are or are not "supposed" to be omnivores. We were actually originally herbivores, if you want to go as far back as we know (Lucy, or Australopithicus afarensis...I hope I spelled that right gonk ). However by the time our species developed into what it is today, Homo sapiens, our intelligence allowed us to make weapons for hunting animals - hence our omnivorism (if that's a word lol). So. Are we really naturally omnivores? It's hard to say even anything human is natural anymore, so yeah...It's not as clear-cut as we'd like to think. sweatdrop

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funwithjoysticks

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:03 pm


I'm a vegetarian. We don't need to eat meat in our culture to have a healthy diet so i don't. i respect people who do thought and i don't get on people's asses every time i see someone eat a hamburger.

Apes and stuff are omnivores though, they eat bugs.
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