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 Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:06 pm
Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare You want a story that "proves" Hindu religion to be true? I came across this story one night while searching for pictures of the Hindu gods a couple weeks ago and very nearly converted to Hinduism after reading this... The only reason I haven't is because I am a fan of making educated decisions and am still learning about Hinduism... Also, from what I've learned about it thus far the textbooks that gave a rough outline of it in school were all extremely flawed in the fact that they confused the Hindu faith with other parts of the Indian culture. Warning: this is much better proof than your video which was nothing but a story told to emotion-causing music, this however is TRUE. I saw it on several news sites as well as this one... like ABC. Also, (and I promise this is my last point in this long-winded introduction) The night I was studying Hindu I got the same feeling I got when being "touched" by God in the Christian faith as well as while practicing various pagan activities... and just as strong if not stronger... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419627-toddler-with-eight-limbs-branded-reincarnation-of-hindu-god-to-undergo-life-saving-operation.do That poor girl! I don't doubt it's true, but I think it's an unfortunate mutation. Jeez, that's not right. >< i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:26 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare You want a story that "proves" Hindu religion to be true? I came across this story one night while searching for pictures of the Hindu gods a couple weeks ago and very nearly converted to Hinduism after reading this... The only reason I haven't is because I am a fan of making educated decisions and am still learning about Hinduism... Also, from what I've learned about it thus far the textbooks that gave a rough outline of it in school were all extremely flawed in the fact that they confused the Hindu faith with other parts of the Indian culture. Warning: this is much better proof than your video which was nothing but a story told to emotion-causing music, this however is TRUE. I saw it on several news sites as well as this one... like ABC. Also, (and I promise this is my last point in this long-winded introduction) The night I was studying Hindu I got the same feeling I got when being "touched" by God in the Christian faith as well as while practicing various pagan activities... and just as strong if not stronger... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419627-toddler-with-eight-limbs-branded-reincarnation-of-hindu-god-to-undergo-life-saving-operation.do That poor girl! I don't doubt it's true, but I think it's an unfortunate mutation. Jeez, that's not right. >< i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:27 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Also, in a religiously tolerant country like America we should have Hindu accounts of gods revealing themselves to them, if they exist. I think we don't have them because they don't. There's 0.4% of Hindus living in the US. You better try and look for revelations in India, where there are actually Hindus walking about. And Hinduism isn't a simple as you think. It isn't just worshipping gods with many arms and elephant heads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism I'll look for them if I ever get to go to India. I think it'll be quite a while before that's a possibility though, I'd love to know if there's any accounts on revelations around for any religion besides Christianity and Judaism. I don't think it's simple, just that it doesn't have a lot of truth or logic behind it. Thank you!  You have yet to explain how Hinduism is "illogical", let alone compared to your own beliefs. How is it any less likely for there to be multiple creators, or multiple faces of God as many Hindus believe? Before you say "My God says so", their Gods say the opposite. And they have majority rule. The logic is much more flowing than "we are being punished for the sins of the first humans who were tricked into eating magic fruit by a walking snake, so now we have to pray to a miracle-doing dead guy to get back on God's good side."- It starts with the cosmos and the world being a weave, with everything connected by the Brahman. All things are one thing in the Brahman. (It is what I consider God, though it connects to YHWH in the role, so I consider God to be YHWH) The Brahman is everything in it's spiritual core, that becomes physical matter. Individual souls are called Atman. Karma is how we transcend the mortal coil, so our Atman can meet up with the Brahman. Karma is done by deeds- If we do evil, our soul is "weighed down", and kept on the lower planes. If we do good, we float "up" to the higher planes. This is where the idea of reincarnation comes from, when we shed our mortal shell the Atman, according the reincarnation theory, goes to one of several layers depending on it's weight- There is a "god realm", which is basically heaven, "hell realm" and earth, with a few in between. That dynamic system of spiritual connection with everything, which is backed by Alchemy and science, makes much more sense and uses much more logic than the biblical creation story. If you're going by rules of the religion, my God is omnipotent and omniscient; I'm pretty sure He's know better. And I don't see why a god should have multiple arms, faces, animal parts, why people should be reincarnated, or karma actually at work. A single God at the root of everything seems more probable anyway. Still doesn't make more sense to me, partly because you put Christianity in simplistic terms that would make it look silly, and Hinduism in the most rational form you could. That's not really fair. I don't see how. The Biblical creation story has a lot of bits that correspond to people, while I think Hinduism actually says Brahman is dreaming the whole thing, and at some point he'll wake up and forget us? I also don't see how it explains evil? So is Brahman- It is everything. It is, then, MORE omnipotent than your belief, as you think, as stated, that God made the universe but isn't part of it. Being it is more connected than owning it. And again, that is still terrible, terrible logic. "My God is the right God because my God says so. He says so because he is the right God. He is the right God because-" Need I go further? It is logically invalid. And please, don't say "That's faith!", because the Hindu monks have just as much faith in their system. At which point you will say "It's illogical!" and we will end up back here. So let's cut to brass tacks and get some objectivity here. Also, you mention a single God- Why not a single system? The Brahman is one, and all "gods" are one in Brahman. You have to look at gods differently in different cultures. It's not that it's a council of omnipotent forces- Many hindu gods are very mundane. They are simply higher beings, like ghosts or spirits or angels. But since they are on a higher wavelength, they are "gods". Really, a lot of Hinduism is the same as a lot of Christianity. It's just a matter of lining up the matching parts and understanding cultural differences. And you put Hindu in simplistic, silly terms. It's not ABOUT multiple-armed gods, it's about a flowing connection between all things, and the power of our actions and their effects on other as well as ourselves- And even that is boiled down. Here's a perfect example. The dream theory isn't the only one- Hindu is extremely diverse. Evil is explained by karma- And, no- Not "If you do bad things, bad thing happen to you" karma. That's roughly the equivalent of saying that baptism is about giving a baby a magic bath. Karma is like classical mechanics- For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:20 am
divineseraph If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity. Like a butterfly effect of negative actions/energy?
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:29 am
Esselean divineseraph If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity. Like a butterfly effect of negative actions/energy? Essentially- but more about classical mechanics, really- Everything you do affects others and may affect yourself. It may or may not grow to disastrous proportions, but it is like dropping a pebble into a pond- a small pebble causes ripples for many yards.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:33 pm
Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare You want a story that "proves" Hindu religion to be true? I came across this story one night while searching for pictures of the Hindu gods a couple weeks ago and very nearly converted to Hinduism after reading this... The only reason I haven't is because I am a fan of making educated decisions and am still learning about Hinduism... Also, from what I've learned about it thus far the textbooks that gave a rough outline of it in school were all extremely flawed in the fact that they confused the Hindu faith with other parts of the Indian culture. Warning: this is much better proof than your video which was nothing but a story told to emotion-causing music, this however is TRUE. I saw it on several news sites as well as this one... like ABC. Also, (and I promise this is my last point in this long-winded introduction) The night I was studying Hindu I got the same feeling I got when being "touched" by God in the Christian faith as well as while practicing various pagan activities... and just as strong if not stronger... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419627-toddler-with-eight-limbs-branded-reincarnation-of-hindu-god-to-undergo-life-saving-operation.do That poor girl! I don't doubt it's true, but I think it's an unfortunate mutation. Jeez, that's not right. >< i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason. Actually, I think a demon did it to lead people away from God. Or maybe there is a goddess who did, but with this I certainly don't think any good deity did it. And a lot of those wars were the fault of man, not God. wink
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:51 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare You want a story that "proves" Hindu religion to be true? I came across this story one night while searching for pictures of the Hindu gods a couple weeks ago and very nearly converted to Hinduism after reading this... The only reason I haven't is because I am a fan of making educated decisions and am still learning about Hinduism... Also, from what I've learned about it thus far the textbooks that gave a rough outline of it in school were all extremely flawed in the fact that they confused the Hindu faith with other parts of the Indian culture. Warning: this is much better proof than your video which was nothing but a story told to emotion-causing music, this however is TRUE. I saw it on several news sites as well as this one... like ABC. Also, (and I promise this is my last point in this long-winded introduction) The night I was studying Hindu I got the same feeling I got when being "touched" by God in the Christian faith as well as while practicing various pagan activities... and just as strong if not stronger... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419627-toddler-with-eight-limbs-branded-reincarnation-of-hindu-god-to-undergo-life-saving-operation.do That poor girl! I don't doubt it's true, but I think it's an unfortunate mutation. Jeez, that's not right. >< i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason. Actually, I think a demon did it to lead people away from God. Or maybe there is a goddess who did, but with this I certainly don't think any good deity did it. And a lot of those wars were the fault of man, not God. wink So you don't think your god is responsible for negative things? any negative things? no diseases or anything? I wasn't talking about war at all I was talking about things like mutations, disease, famine, drought ect...
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:34 pm
Itachi_Hare So you don't think your god is responsible for negative things? any negative things? no diseases or anything? I wasn't talking about war at all I was talking about things like mutations, disease, famine, drought ect... We're living in a fallen world. These are all the consequences of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden apple that a snake told them to eat. I think that's as clear as day.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:41 pm
divineseraph Esselean divineseraph If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity. Like a butterfly effect of negative actions/energy? Essentially- but more about classical mechanics, really- Everything you do affects others and may affect yourself. It may or may not grow to disastrous proportions, but it is like dropping a pebble into a pond- a small pebble causes ripples for many yards. Ah ok. I like the pebble comparison. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:52 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare You want a story that "proves" Hindu religion to be true? I came across this story one night while searching for pictures of the Hindu gods a couple weeks ago and very nearly converted to Hinduism after reading this... The only reason I haven't is because I am a fan of making educated decisions and am still learning about Hinduism... Also, from what I've learned about it thus far the textbooks that gave a rough outline of it in school were all extremely flawed in the fact that they confused the Hindu faith with other parts of the Indian culture. Warning: this is much better proof than your video which was nothing but a story told to emotion-causing music, this however is TRUE. I saw it on several news sites as well as this one... like ABC. Also, (and I promise this is my last point in this long-winded introduction) The night I was studying Hindu I got the same feeling I got when being "touched" by God in the Christian faith as well as while practicing various pagan activities... and just as strong if not stronger... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23419627-toddler-with-eight-limbs-branded-reincarnation-of-hindu-god-to-undergo-life-saving-operation.do That poor girl! I don't doubt it's true, but I think it's an unfortunate mutation. Jeez, that's not right. >< i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason. Actually, I think a demon did it to lead people away from God. Or maybe there is a goddess who did, but with this I certainly don't think any good deity did it. And a lot of those wars were the fault of man, not God. wink So, why do demons do this? What is their motivation?
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:39 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason. Actually, I think a demon did it to lead people away from God. Or maybe there is a goddess who did, but with this I certainly don't think any good deity did it. And a lot of those wars were the fault of man, not God. wink So, why do demons do this? What is their motivation? Easy, to lead people away from God. Misery loves company, and satan because God created us in His image. He and his followers love to mess man up. It's kinda like hurting the son of a man you hate because you can't harm the man. The devil is not beneath doing that.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:38 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Also, in a religiously tolerant country like America we should have Hindu accounts of gods revealing themselves to them, if they exist. I think we don't have them because they don't. There's 0.4% of Hindus living in the US. You better try and look for revelations in India, where there are actually Hindus walking about. And Hinduism isn't a simple as you think. It isn't just worshipping gods with many arms and elephant heads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism I'll look for them if I ever get to go to India. I think it'll be quite a while before that's a possibility though, I'd love to know if there's any accounts on revelations around for any religion besides Christianity and Judaism. I don't think it's simple, just that it doesn't have a lot of truth or logic behind it. Thank you! You have yet to explain how Hinduism is "illogical", let alone compared to your own beliefs. How is it any less likely for there to be multiple creators, or multiple faces of God as many Hindus believe? Before you say "My God says so", their Gods say the opposite. And they have majority rule. The logic is much more flowing than "we are being punished for the sins of the first humans who were tricked into eating magic fruit by a walking snake, so now we have to pray to a miracle-doing dead guy to get back on God's good side."- It starts with the cosmos and the world being a weave, with everything connected by the Brahman. All things are one thing in the Brahman. (It is what I consider God, though it connects to YHWH in the role, so I consider God to be YHWH) The Brahman is everything in it's spiritual core, that becomes physical matter. Individual souls are called Atman. Karma is how we transcend the mortal coil, so our Atman can meet up with the Brahman. Karma is done by deeds- If we do evil, our soul is "weighed down", and kept on the lower planes. If we do good, we float "up" to the higher planes. This is where the idea of reincarnation comes from, when we shed our mortal shell the Atman, according the reincarnation theory, goes to one of several layers depending on it's weight- There is a "god realm", which is basically heaven, "hell realm" and earth, with a few in between. That dynamic system of spiritual connection with everything, which is backed by Alchemy and science, makes much more sense and uses much more logic than the biblical creation story. If you're going by rules of the religion, my God is omnipotent and omniscient; I'm pretty sure He's know better. And I don't see why a god should have multiple arms, faces, animal parts, why people should be reincarnated, or karma actually at work. A single God at the root of everything seems more probable anyway. Still doesn't make more sense to me, partly because you put Christianity in simplistic terms that would make it look silly, and Hinduism in the most rational form you could. That's not really fair. I don't see how. The Biblical creation story has a lot of bits that correspond to people, while I think Hinduism actually says Brahman is dreaming the whole thing, and at some point he'll wake up and forget us? I also don't see how it explains evil? So is Brahman- It is everything. It is, then, MORE omnipotent than your belief, as you think, as stated, that God made the universe but isn't part of it. Being it is more connected than owning it. And again, that is still terrible, terrible logic. "My God is the right God because my God says so. He says so because he is the right God. He is the right God because-" Need I go further? It is logically invalid. And please, don't say "That's faith!", because the Hindu monks have just as much faith in their system. At which point you will say "It's illogical!" and we will end up back here. So let's cut to brass tacks and get some objectivity here. Also, you mention a single God- Why not a single system? The Brahman is one, and all "gods" are one in Brahman. You have to look at gods differently in different cultures. It's not that it's a council of omnipotent forces- Many hindu gods are very mundane. They are simply higher beings, like ghosts or spirits or angels. But since they are on a higher wavelength, they are "gods". Really, a lot of Hinduism is the same as a lot of Christianity. It's just a matter of lining up the matching parts and understanding cultural differences. And you put Hindu in simplistic, silly terms. It's not ABOUT multiple-armed gods, it's about a flowing connection between all things, and the power of our actions and their effects on other as well as ourselves- And even that is boiled down. Here's a perfect example. The dream theory isn't the only one- Hindu is extremely diverse. Evil is explained by karma- And, no- Not "If you do bad things, bad thing happen to you" karma. That's roughly the equivalent of saying that baptism is about giving a baby a magic bath. Karma is like classical mechanics- For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity. I wouldn't say a monk's faith was illogical, especially if it was based on a revelation; the object of their faith may be incorrect, but not the faith itself. You're simplifying religions too much. Christianity's based on being Saved while most other religions rely on the individual's efforts to save themselves. At the core, they're different. I simplify out of ignorance. I spend a lot of time reading about Christianity, but hardly know a thing about Hinduism and Buddhism and to lesser degrees other religions because I haven't studied them extensively. It's part of the reason why I wanted info on them. So in that theory good and evil require a balance? The problem is our very nature rebels against such a balance. Everybody, or almost everybody looks to be good, which is evidence that good is the greater and original. (Sorry, I'm getting rushed off, so I skimmed, if I get back to it I'll read it more clearly. sweatdrop )
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:43 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare xxEternallyBluexx Itachi_Hare i hope you read it all thoroughly, she was born on the day of Vishnu, a four armed goddess in Hindu culture, she had four arms... there are more children in India born with characteristics like those of the Hindu gods, one of which is a baby born with two fully formed faces... I don't think it's a miracle. It made me sad to see that little girl, like the deformation was unnatural. I hope no god did that because if one did it's not right. A god definately did that.. they removed everything but regardless of whether it was a miracle or not a god did that, whether it was yours or someone elses a god did that (unless of course one is an atheist in which case it is only a genetic mutation) whatever faith one clings to a god did that and that is most definatley not the worst thing a god could do!!!!! And also i would prefer it if you don't twist what I said to try to prove your point if you are only going to quote part of my words make it more obvious that you took bits and pieces!!! Now that I've calmed down from reading that statement allow me to rationalize even further If you believe that your god is the true god he did that and not only did he do that but he did it for no reason. Mutations worse than that are found the world over... Things that are sadder, that are more life threatening and that people can't recover from. That little girl was able to get surgery done to allow her a normal life so it becomes good by giving her a story she can tell when she becomes an adult. If the hindu gods are real and are responsible they did that to prove their existance, I don't see how a god doing that to a little girl who was soon healed any better than the massacres your christian god or any other god for that matter has carried out. Also that is much better proof of a god than any of the stories I have heard of thusfar, a baby being born with a the same quality as a god that was celebrated on that day? thats much better than a smear in the fog of some guys car window that looks like a bearded guy. Also if you don't believe in the Hindu gods then you don't believe they did it. You therefore must believe your god did that... to prove a Hindu goddess is real? no for absolutely NO reason. Actually, I think a demon did it to lead people away from God. Or maybe there is a goddess who did, but with this I certainly don't think any good deity did it. And a lot of those wars were the fault of man, not God. wink So, why do demons do this? What is their motivation? Easy, to lead people away from God. Misery loves company, and satan because God created us in His image. He and his followers love to mess man up. It's kinda like hurting the son of a man you hate because you can't harm the man. The devil is not beneath doing that. But why would they want that?
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:53 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx I'll look for them if I ever get to go to India. I think it'll be quite a while before that's a possibility though, I'd love to know if there's any accounts on revelations around for any religion besides Christianity and Judaism. I don't think it's simple, just that it doesn't have a lot of truth or logic behind it. Thank you! You have yet to explain how Hinduism is "illogical", let alone compared to your own beliefs. How is it any less likely for there to be multiple creators, or multiple faces of God as many Hindus believe? Before you say "My God says so", their Gods say the opposite. And they have majority rule. The logic is much more flowing than "we are being punished for the sins of the first humans who were tricked into eating magic fruit by a walking snake, so now we have to pray to a miracle-doing dead guy to get back on God's good side."- It starts with the cosmos and the world being a weave, with everything connected by the Brahman. All things are one thing in the Brahman. (It is what I consider God, though it connects to YHWH in the role, so I consider God to be YHWH) The Brahman is everything in it's spiritual core, that becomes physical matter. Individual souls are called Atman. Karma is how we transcend the mortal coil, so our Atman can meet up with the Brahman. Karma is done by deeds- If we do evil, our soul is "weighed down", and kept on the lower planes. If we do good, we float "up" to the higher planes. This is where the idea of reincarnation comes from, when we shed our mortal shell the Atman, according the reincarnation theory, goes to one of several layers depending on it's weight- There is a "god realm", which is basically heaven, "hell realm" and earth, with a few in between. That dynamic system of spiritual connection with everything, which is backed by Alchemy and science, makes much more sense and uses much more logic than the biblical creation story. If you're going by rules of the religion, my God is omnipotent and omniscient; I'm pretty sure He's know better. And I don't see why a god should have multiple arms, faces, animal parts, why people should be reincarnated, or karma actually at work. A single God at the root of everything seems more probable anyway. Still doesn't make more sense to me, partly because you put Christianity in simplistic terms that would make it look silly, and Hinduism in the most rational form you could. That's not really fair. I don't see how. The Biblical creation story has a lot of bits that correspond to people, while I think Hinduism actually says Brahman is dreaming the whole thing, and at some point he'll wake up and forget us? I also don't see how it explains evil? So is Brahman- It is everything. It is, then, MORE omnipotent than your belief, as you think, as stated, that God made the universe but isn't part of it. Being it is more connected than owning it. And again, that is still terrible, terrible logic. "My God is the right God because my God says so. He says so because he is the right God. He is the right God because-" Need I go further? It is logically invalid. And please, don't say "That's faith!", because the Hindu monks have just as much faith in their system. At which point you will say "It's illogical!" and we will end up back here. So let's cut to brass tacks and get some objectivity here. Also, you mention a single God- Why not a single system? The Brahman is one, and all "gods" are one in Brahman. You have to look at gods differently in different cultures. It's not that it's a council of omnipotent forces- Many hindu gods are very mundane. They are simply higher beings, like ghosts or spirits or angels. But since they are on a higher wavelength, they are "gods". Really, a lot of Hinduism is the same as a lot of Christianity. It's just a matter of lining up the matching parts and understanding cultural differences. And you put Hindu in simplistic, silly terms. It's not ABOUT multiple-armed gods, it's about a flowing connection between all things, and the power of our actions and their effects on other as well as ourselves- And even that is boiled down. Here's a perfect example. The dream theory isn't the only one- Hindu is extremely diverse. Evil is explained by karma- And, no- Not "If you do bad things, bad thing happen to you" karma. That's roughly the equivalent of saying that baptism is about giving a baby a magic bath. Karma is like classical mechanics- For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you do bad things, that negative energy tends to rebound. If you cut someone off in traffic, they get aggravated and show up to work angry and take it out on the secretary who passive-aggressively takes it out on her kids who get rebelious and skip class- It's a very cheesy example but at this hour it's the best I've got. The point of Karma is that when we do bad things, bad things come of it. Not just to us, but to the entire system, as it is all connected and reactive. It is, therefore, our job to escape this cycle to be free of the pain of negativity. I wouldn't say a monk's faith was illogical, especially if it was based on a revelation; the object of their faith may be incorrect, but not the faith itself. You're simplifying religions too much. Christianity's based on being Saved while most other religions rely on the individual's efforts to save themselves. At the core, they're different. I simplify out of ignorance. I spend a lot of time reading about Christianity, but hardly know a thing about Hinduism and Buddhism and to lesser degrees other religions because I haven't studied them extensively. It's part of the reason why I wanted info on them. So in that theory good and evil require a balance? The problem is our very nature rebels against such a balance. Everybody, or almost everybody looks to be good, which is evidence that good is the greater and original. (Sorry, I'm getting rushed off, so I skimmed, if I get back to it I'll read it more clearly. sweatdrop ) There are sects of Buddhism called "Free Land Buddhism" that believe in "salvation". If salvation is the problem, then the problem is solved with them. But is it God, or Christ who saves us? The father, or the son? I would say that a safer bet is the father, as it is he who is the universe, and is all. Christ was, at the very most, a vessel of the father, and in my interpretation, simply a man closer to the father than many others. Everyone tries to be good? Look at capitalism. Look at what we do, in the great country of America- We oppress the lower class for monetary gain, we start wars for trade routes and corporate contracts, we set up dictatorships to profit from slave labor- This is goodness? No, we are good when people are watching, and indeed, many people ARE truly good. However, in the human condition, there is want and greed, and that greed causes evil because, in some people's eyes, the money and power is worth it. That is where evil starts. Greater original, maybe. But remember the ripples in the pond- That corporate greed, for example, and the subsequent layoff leaves people out of work. These jobless individuals sometimes turn to crime, or join the military. The military, largely influenced by corporate goals, begins a war in some middle eastern country. The country collapses, the military sets up a dictator through a faked election, and the country begins making sneakers through child labor for the profit of Nike. Now, we have thousands suffering for the benefit of a few CEO's. That is how Karma works. That is how the balance is lost. That is what happens, in real life, and is happening now.
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