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 Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:51 pm
Overall, AWSOME ending. Equal to the first season finale.
I agree with some people though, just ONE SEASON without a Dalek or Cybermen. End a season without an old character, I want to see a season finale created completly with new characters!
I'm SO happy we wont be hearing any more 'Rose' crap. I dont like Rose. And I was TOTALLY ticked when Rose, who REALLY DID NOT DEAL WITH THAT MUCH CRAP, whined alot and got the Doctor after everything!!! Sure, she got the 'second' Doctor, but he still had the same memories and whatnot. And she STILL wasnt happy. And Donna, who was constantly awsome, with no annoying romancy background, who did ALOT more for the doctor then I ever saw Rose do, ended up getting worse then death!
NOT.
COOL.
That made me actually hate Rose. I didnt hate her before, but now... at that season finale I was just like "Oh shut up Rose. Seriously. Shut up. You werent all that amazing, you whined alot, sure, you were cool in 'Turn Left' and kinda neat in the first season. But then you turned RIGHT back to your old self. And you got things good for you! You got your mom AND your dad, (Who was freakin DEAD btw) and you got the doctor! Donna was left without even a job, not even getting ANY recognition of what she did, and until her LAST breath with the Doctor begged to stay and travel with him."
She NEVER wanted to turn back, EVER. She hated her old life, and she was miserable. If it sounded like I was ranting, why yes. I was.
Overall, the whole last episode was AWSOME. Just the Rose X Doctor thing made me go "Ew... no please..." Though I saw it coming. Donna blew my mind. Doctor Donna? Win. Pure win. She should have found SOME way to survive! D: She would have been the most awsome person ever! And the thing with the Daleks spinning? That was SO funny.
DoctorDonna is the coolest ever. Though I didnt like the idea that the two doctors, being in the SAME ROOM, didnt have enough time to talk with eachother, or converse or ANYTHING. Infact the second doctor was too quiet. I wanted some Doctor chat with himself. biggrin Though, still very awsome.
Also, Dalek Caan? Officially the best Dalek ever in my book. He was adorable, he was crazy, and he KNEW that the Daleks needed to die. He was so cute!
And BTW, German Daleks? BRILLIANT. I so badly want to try and memorize exterminate in german. (I keep forgetting).
Oh, one final thing. I always found Donna's grandpa was adorable, but when it was raining and he was talking to Doctor...? D: God, I wanted to give them both a huge huge HUG.
10/10 episode. I'm hoping the next companion, who has ALOT of shoe to fill, will be a spunky sciency type who gets restless and excited about the new worlds and what not.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:59 pm
I have watched this episode 2 times. Just to see if Missed any thing. Nope Same Reaction to it. I still think It could have bin Done alot Better and making it that he has to almost fully Regerate to make a clone of him self (more or less) Is stupid. But thats just me. But the Real question is Did he lose a Body doing that?. did the doctor lose one of his last few lifes? He only has 3 more Bodys so did he lose one from almost regnerating? They dont say. Arg. O well it might make sence later on who knows. And they also left a ticking time bomb named Donna Lieing around. Because Almost any thing can set her off. Dosent she still have a Tardis Key with her? also they dident give us a hit to whats going to happen in the Christmas speshal like the did the last 3 times they just showed us that the Cybermen are comming back. That is sooooo stupid. But all and all I have to admit the episode was ok. I like the Daleks Speaking Germin I found that funny.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:34 pm
I would like to quote *Sarcastically-Yours on Deviantart in this Spoiler free journal. Quote: One Word: Lame. It was like the Christmas special; bits of "lawl" humor and the occasional "aww!" moment thrown into one big unoriginal, PG rated, cheesy plot line. Too fast paced, too much jobbledegook pulled out of RTD's a** when it became clear that the plot ran off without him, and the ending was crap. There was no real effort put into this, not like the poignancy the last finale had with the Master "winning". I spent more time raising my eyebrow than biting my nails off with anticipation. This was more of a campy send-off for RTD rather then a Doctor Who series finale. One where he pulled out every single trick out of his a**-bag and used them to the point of death. This is not to throw viewers off from seeing it however... You still need to watch it because... well... you're still a Who-fan, right?? Besides, I'm sure some people actually liked the episode, and that's ok. I didn't. I can only hope that in the next series, in the VERY LATE YEAR OF 2010, things will get better. Dear Mr. Moffat, if I have to see one more F@#&#xin;g Dalek I'm going to hunt you down and RAPE you. No, not raep you. R-A-P-E you. End of story. Love and kisses, Louis.I will now refer to this picture. (click link plz) And now my personal opinion. (copied and pasted from a response I did to somebodys journal who was also complaining about the finally) Basically, RTD decided to go out with the most epic thing he could think of, uniting all of his (crappy) spinnoff series and (as extention) characters that people who aren't fans of those shows have never even heard of. He also had to get Rose and the Doctor TOGETHAR 4EVERS!! It was good for the first bit, and a couple other bits, but it was going downhill from the beginning.. SPOILERS: I already knew what was going to happen. Him using the hand to stay as his current regeneration? Got it. The hand becoming another Doctor? Got it. The alternaDoctor going to the other dimension to stay with Rose? Got it. Donna becoming half timelord? ...Okay, this one I didn't actually get, as I only speculated on it, and then dismissed it as a stupid idea. STILL SPOILERS: I hated the ending. The second they land on that beach, the show stops being good. Even after they leave, the whole thing with Donna was just to depressing to be a good ending. NO SPOILERS!!!: I found the acting all around to be pretty good, but unfortunately, Martha was underacting AGAIN, which got on my nerves. I really wish we could see better acting from her, because though I like her character, she's never been consistant with her skill. Davros was awesome, I can't remember who played him, but whoever it was, I give a shoutout to him! He was friggin awesome! I haven't liked Rose since season two, so her being there in her season 2 personality (whiney, pining for the Doctor, highly self centered) was really annoying. SPOILERS: I loved Jack. He had some great lines, and the acting was quite good. It's hard to believe that I absolutely hated him when he first joined the show!! XD Donna was awesome. I hated her in Runaway Bride (is there anyone who didn't?) but I've gotten to really like her. Her acting ability has gone up considerably during the corse of the show, and she was a very good, empathatic companion who many people could relate to. Her final scene before reverting back was amazing, and proves what a good actress she is. She is immensly good at expressing emotion, and I found that her humor was actually quite funny when it wasn't being overused. Being on this show was an excellent break for her, because she only ever was in comedy things before. I will really miss her, and wish that she could have stayed. Here's to you Donna Noble! And let's lift a glass to the glorius fact that Russel is leaving! Huzzah! also, I completely agree with everything that loverofpiggies said.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:58 am
 You must be mad...I agree with loveforpiggies too!!
I also think the episode in general could have been done better. I think RTD took a class called Writing Mistakes 101 and then put it into action here. It was interesting to see so many different people in the TARDIS and all, but there were too many characters squished into too little space. There wasn't enough time to develop what was going on for any of the characters because they were just all crammed in there together. There needed to be more time to stretch it all out, and there just wasn't. Instead the episode was crammed full of unmentionables like a messy, disorganized underwear drawer. It isn't that there wasn't anything sexy or desirable in the episode, but it got lost in with the stained and torn things.
Not to mention that a GOOD charachter arc does NOT have the charachter return to exactly the way things were BEFORE the story began. That is just what any publisher or editor would say. How in the world RTD got a pass on that one with the Donna charachter is beyond me. I am still mourning her. What happened to her wasn't right. ...or you wouldn't have come here.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:55 am
HOMG! I finally got to see it, stupid Scifi trying to make me wait, glad theres youtube!
I love how it ended with the Doctor and Rose pity they didn't have it where you could hear him say I love you. And with Donna ttly cruel! I wish they could have worked it out so she could stay half time lord I thought that was a bit brilliant. And I think the Dalek/Cybermen are way over used now I am a bit sick of them. Glad Davis is gone, but srsly Cybermen for Christmas again?
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:20 am
*sighs* I thought I was okay with the whole Donna thing, at first... I mean, I was going to miss her and all, but mostly I was okay with it.
But the more I think about it, the more horrible her situation seems. And... even though she's not aware of how horrible it is, it doesn't change the facts...
And I mean, had the Doctor actually given her a choice, I'm sure that Donna would have chosen to die rather then get her memory wiped. And as a fan, her death would have upset me, but not as much as what really happened.
And I mean, there could have been a really sad scene of, like, her final trip with the Doctor or something...
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:04 pm
You must be mad... ...or you wouldn't have come here.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:38 pm
My reaction to this episode can be summed up as: WTF?!!
I was entertained, sure, but the entire episode was just one weird thing after another that just seemed to come out of left field. You know, stuff like the Doctor semi-regenerating thanks to his severed hand, then dumping some of the left-over energy back into the hand so that the hand can sprout into a weird Doctor-Donna hybrid while Donna absorbs all his knowledge and intellect.
Or Gwen and Ianto being protected by a time bubble thing that Tosh somehow managed to create.
Or Donna spouting a bunch of nonsense, twiddling some knobs around, and suddenly she's got remote control of every Dalek.
Or the pseudo-Doctor building a gun that blows up all Daleks by exploiting the fact that they're all derived from Davros's tissue (but somehow Davros himself isn't affected).
Anyway. Rose gets her own pet Doctor clone. How nice. Too bad he talks a bit like Donna.
Yeah. What a weird episode. I don't think I hate it. But it was pretty damn random.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:32 pm
So there's a lot of hating about this new season four 'finale' thing I sense. Or maybe just frank indifference and 'meh'ing. I guess now would be an absolutely wonderful time to unpack the old grumble-gun and wade on into the discussion with some quality RTD-bashing as if I'd never been away.
Except there's one small problem with that scenario.
It's based on the assumption that the finale didn't ROCK YOUR EVER-LOVING SOCKS OFF!!!!
Which, clearly, it did. I think there are a lot of people in denial in this thread >.> Davros was handled brilliantly. So was the big cross-franchise thing which, honestly, could so easily have fallen flat and come off as a cynical marketing ploy. I loved them teasing the Sarah Jane/Torchwood deaths thing. I love that they teased the regeneration thing. Hell I even loved the Jackie joke at the end, though she was mostly redundant for the whole thing bless 'er.
So it was pure, arrant fanwank of the first degree and I doubt anyone who's only started watching Who this year (all three of them still out there) got any kind of sense or entertainment out of the thing but it was so shamelessly epic in scope I'm more than willing to forgive. So the dalek master plan emerged as nothing more than them building a really, really big bomb. As they do every episode they're not trying to create new, better versions of themselves. But that's what they do and I for one love them all the more for their old-school sense of villainy. And, of course, bonus points for bringing back the awesome red dalek ;D I hope they do come back next season with an EVEN BIGGER bomb. Or possibly a death-ray.
The Rose ending was necessary I guess. So she's got herself her own doctor to snog in her parallel world now. More fanservice there if I'm not mistaken. The 'real' ending with Donna though...now that, that was a tearjerker. Kudos to them for not making Donna some magically reformed 'better' person at the end of the day. She's just a human, after all. Like the rest of us. I hope she has a good life though :3
To cap it off this was, perhaps, the ultimate Doctor Who episode. Purely because the team threw everything bar the kitchen sink at it and it still managed to fly. Did it tell a remarkable, world-changing story? No. Were there explosions, one-liners and lots and *lots* of daleks?
As the doctor would say when questioned if he intends to thwart a universe-ending peril with nothing more than a biro and an air-horn...
Oh yes.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:45 pm
hmmm somthings been bothering me about this episode, its mostly got to do with 10.5. With all the crazy rabid David Tennant fangirls out there, and with there being 10 and 10.5 now, do you think someone might go as far as to make a slash pairng out of them...... like 10/10.5...
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:21 pm
...Wouldn't surprise me. But since they're in alternate universes, they'll have to pull some strings.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:37 pm
I loved the season finale! I've always cheered for Rose trying to get back to the Doctor. I think it's too bad the way it happened, though. I'm REALLY curious who is going to play the doctor next.
One thing bugs me, though. In the Library, Song said that 10 looked like HER Doctor only younger. Did they film that episode before deciding to change actors or are they going to do some weird thing and somehow keep Tennant.
Now that I"m caught up on Who I'm working my way through the Torchwood episodes on Youtube.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:12 pm
They ARE keeping Tennant... Did you miss the first part of the episode?
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:50 am
RionaDaidouji ...Wouldn't surprise me. But since they're in alternate universes, they'll have to pull some strings. well rabid fangirls...... they still pair the doctor and master together even if he is dead. So I don't really think a paralell universe would make difference
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:23 am
GeminiKizzy I loved the season finale! I've always cheered for Rose trying to get back to the Doctor. I think it's too bad the way it happened, though. I'm REALLY curious who is going to play the doctor next. One thing bugs me, though. In the Library, Song said that 10 looked like HER Doctor only younger. Did they film that episode before deciding to change actors or are they going to do some weird thing and somehow keep Tennant. Now that I"m caught up on Who I'm working my way through the Torchwood episodes on Youtube. One thing you have to note. She said that he looked older in the eyes.
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