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 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:08 pm
Mizu_Kage_Hikari Kagetsukiko Kingdom Academy Character App[revised] Okay, aaaauuugggghhh, I hate to do this to you, but the events of KH3D haven't actually happened yet. Like, at all. I'm sorry, I'm still working on hammering out the KH timeline to fit with KA, but I know we're not going to include any events after KH2 except as they happen in RP-time. Further, the Keeper/Galiant bond is an intentional bond, it's not something that happens by accident. Alice would have had to deliberately choose to be their Galiant. There's no formal ritual or anything, but it is a conscious choice, at least on the part of the Galiant. Plus, because the Chesire Cat is already a Galiant and present at the Academy when the twins showed up in Wonderland, you would need to talk with AldrickZearse in order to include him. When I say no GM-ing a character, that includes Galiants and also means for back-stories. If you want to use an already existing Galiant in your back-story, you need to talk to the person controlling them about it first and work things out with them. And finally, but probably least important: the twins can't share a room. Dorm rules, boys and girls are separate, no exceptions. Not even if they're siblings. They can visit each other in their dorms, yes, but they can't live together. Hmm... Maybe I should have reread the history in the rp thread. Figured that I'd still have all the important bits memorized. Tut tut, I made a mistake there. Please don’t hate yourself, you’re just doing what you’re supposed to do and the fix isn’t even that hard sweatdrop . I'll just switch from The Grid to Space Paranoids, that should do the trick, right. I’ll also take out the Cheshire Cat. Although, I'm curious. If KH3D hasn't happened yet, how exactly are people from the slumbering worlds like The Grid able to attend Kingdom Academy? Thanks for the heads up on the rooms 3nodding . They’ll live. All that’ll happen is one of them is going to be spending a lot more time in the other’s dorm than their own. EDIT- Made all the changes I think I needed to make.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:36 pm
FractalJester and I were talking about the sleeping worlds last night, actually, and it's something I'm still trying to hammer out the details on, but the generalization is that in KA the worlds aren't asleep. Honestly, when Sora and Riku do go through their Mark of Mastery, I'm probably going to assign them a completely different test. Probably more in keeping with the BBS Mark of Mastery a la Terra and Aqua. Anyway, moving on... It looks like you fixed the KH3D plot references, for the most part. I do still see references to CLU and the Grid scattered here and there, but that's mostly just editing error and after some published books I've read, I'm used to that, and can infer what you meant from your previous edits. xd You still make mention of direct combat, but since you don't go into detail I can assume that if any direct combat was initiated, it wasn't by the twins. They'd just jumped in to help the combative types. This bit here seems to confirm that: Kagetsukiko [...] using a few abilities that had been programmed into them at creation and then later self-modified to deal with immediate combat. I assume the "modified abilities" means Reflect and Faith. xd You still have Alice being unaware of the Keeper/Galiant bond forming, and that is an issue because the bond has to be initiated willfully by the Galiant. Although ohmygod, the Queen, she did that in the book and the King walked by behind her and was all "you've been pardoned" and it was the best thing ever XD You can still leave in the Academy group that had come to fetch them realizing the implications of the bond, though; not everyone in the worlds is (are? Curse English grammar and it's math) aware of the lore behind the bond, so it can be formed without Keeper or Galiant knowing what it means or the heavy details. The Galiant at least will know that the bond exists and will choose to make it for whatever reason. It doesn't happen by accident, and I can't stress that enough. I'll probably even be editing this into the F.A.Q. or directly into the Galiant section on the front page; didn't realize it would be an issue... sweatdrop You also didn't fix the room thing, but really, just do a find and replace for "one room" and replace it with "their rooms" and voila. xd Although something I either missed in the last errata (and if I missed it I blame my lack of tea >.>), or something you put in to this one: grade skipping isn't allowed, no matter how much training or experience is gained outside the Academy. If it was, Zack Fair would have graduated pretty much the day he enrolled since he'd already been through Hero training on Olympus, and Shion and Zikomo (and probably others, those two were just off the top of my head) would be a grade ahead as well since they have either previous experience or train at home during summer break. Simple fix, though, just say they'd been enrolled when they were thirteen and that they'd been there a year. Or keep them as being enrolled at age 14 and they're now 15, either/or. TL;DR, needed fixes list (better known as a handy-dandy checklist of doom): Galiant/Keeper bond is never, has never been, and will never be an accident, so make Alice's choice to bond with the twins deliberate
Replace "one room" with "their rooms"
Can't skip grades, either set their age in the history to 13 for enrollment, or set their current age to 15, either way they'll have been at the Academy for one year if you keep them as second years.
This and fixing the accidental mentions of CLU instead of the MCP, and the Grid instead of Space Paranoids (which really isn't all that necessary, I'm just nit-picky and it'll help others who read your profile in future know what's going on), and that should do it!
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:46 pm
Mm... About the combat, are PoH simply unable to make the first move in combat because of the type of personality they're required to have? If they are, then I'll make sure to keep that in mind. I just wanted to ask because if they aren't, I'd like to know so I can freely, without worry have either of the twins cast Stop on an enemy as an initiation without having to wait for an ally to jump in or for the enemy to notice them and attack. Darn. Completely missed that part about Alice. Sorry, as you've noticed, I can be really scatterbrained about... lot's of things. I believe I've changed it to something acceptable now. It's no longer accidental and happens after the people who retrieved Leora and Lucius request Alice to become their galiant on account of them being poh. I hope that's acceptable now? Ohhhhhh. That's why you brought up the room. My brain switched it from being a dorm room into a lounge type room but I forgot to make the edits that would actually make that change. I'm sorry, my bad. TL;DR (checklist of things that have been fixed.
Galiant/Keeper bond is never, has never been, and will never be an accident, so make Alice's choice to bond with the twins deliberate Alice deliberately bonds with the twins after agreeing to a request that she does so on account of the twins being pure of heart. I've made the assumption here that the galiants reserved for the PoH are aware that their keeper will be a PoH and not just some ordinary person.
Replace "one room" with "their rooms" The room has been specified to be the lounge. I've even added "room assignments" on the list of things the twins were waiting for while in the lounge.
Can't skip grades, either set their age in the history to 13 for enrollment, or set their current age to 15, either way they'll have been at the Academy for one year if you keep them as second years. Age has been made 13 for enrollment. Pretty sure I changed all mention of it, but like with the CLU and The Grid stuff, I'm sorry if I missed something.
With the help of ctrl-F, I believe I've fixed all rogue mention of The Grid and Space Paranoids.
Thank you so much for going through my profile step-by-step. I'm really sorry for all the trouble I've caused. EDIT- Since the profile is on the page before this, here's a hand-dandy notebook link.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:08 pm
Mizu's out for the night, I think, so I'll take a swing at the PoH-combat question.
In a sense, that's correct, but less in the technical sense and more in the character sense. As characters, they are the pacifists, the diplomats, the compassionate souls who cry out "can't we all just get along", the kind of people who avoid conflict like the plague (because to them, it is). They have these support and defensive combat skills, but they don't want to fight. Ever. If it were up to them, every single battle strategy would begin with "Seek peace."
Then, when the opponent started the fight and they defended themselves, their next move? "Try 'Seek peace' again!"
Just as Mizu said with the Belle example, PoH can defend themselves and others. The key is just that they don't want to have to. That's why they don't learn offensive, damaging moves: they don't want to hurt people. So when Mizu says that your PoH can't have them, it's more that you can't because, as a character, they wouldn't ever choose to learn them, you know?
TL;DR: Yes, their personality prevents them from making the first combat move.
The only exception I can think of would be Heartless. There's no real reasoning with Heartless, so if there's a Heartless attack, I don't see the PoH trying diplomacy xD
EDIT: Just to clarify about my description of PoH's earlier with the whole "can't we all just get along" thing. I don't mean they have to be helpless little damsels. They can be snarky and independent (see: Jasmine). Just trying to stress how anti-conflict they are xD
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:38 pm
Yep, was out. I had internet access but it's a b***h to try to type anything coherent on my iPad. rolleyes Fractal hit the nail on the head. It's a personality thing. A Prince(ss) of Heart will never initiate combat unless given no other choice. The scenario in your history that's giving me the biggest pause would be fine, assuming they tried to at least avoid or contain the bugs first and neither attempt succeeded. Combat, violence, et cetera is a last resort for the PoH characters. You can keep that bit mostly as it is, I'd just really like it if you removed or altered this part: Kagetsukiko […]unsuccessful attempts to attack various bugs themselves[...] If you decide to edit, have them trying to contain the bugs or directing someone else to said bugs so they can be dealt with. Otherwise, you could just take that part out and leave it as the combat experience being gained when they had no other choice in the matter, and that would be perfect, too. As for throwing Stop before an opponent gets a chance to attack, that'd really only work for Heartless, lesser Nobodies, Unversed, Nightmares, or the Space Paranoid/Grid/Datascape bugs. So, you know, mindless, insentient opponents. They'd still be more likely to observe and try to avoid, but of course there are some exceptions, like if they were part of a tracking group and decided to Stop whatever they were tracking so the combatants in their party could do their things. So other than that, looks like you've got everything else squared away. For Alice, it's not strictly necessary for someone to have requested she bond with the twins; since you had them meet only a year ago, Alice would have been wrapped up in the Hollow Bastion events where Maleficent and Xehanort's Heartless used the Princesses to open the Door to Darkness, so she knows she's a Princess of Heart. Galiants aren't really "reserved" for anyone, either, that's more of a game mechanic than a story mechanic. You can keep it as it is, I just wanted to clarify that. xd And actually I just realized that with the history I'm hammering out the Space Paranoids being freed from the MCP about a year ago matches perfectly with what I already have, mauahahahaha~ I should finish all that up and post it somewhere o.oYou have caused no trouble at all! I'd rather work with you to get something perfect for both you and the RP than have you not trying at all. I'm happy to help. n_n Character creation and development is my passion, so you've practically been giving an addict unlimited access to her drug. whee
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:51 am
About trying to avoid or contain the bugs first. I can't imagine either of the twins having tried such things with the bugs simply because for the first ten years of their life, they just moved on orders like every other program. They stayed in their tower like they were supposed to and dealt with the bugs like they were supposed to. Even after they grew conscious of themselves and begun disobeying orders, I figured that they would innately know that the bugs cannot be reasoned with, that it would be knowledge that had been programmed into them. Onto the part that's actually a problem, I'll take it out Actually, I've already reworded it in the copy of the profile I have on my laptop. I just wanted to say something regarding how you described PoH dealing with bugs. You suggested I have the twins direct someone else to said bugs so they can be dealt with. Yes, that makes sense. The twins, with their lack of offensive power, are better suited to getting someone else to fight the bugs. However, I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but it sounds as if you're saying it makes more sense for PoH to be much more willing to direct people into combat than to participate in combat themselves. With what both you and Fractal stress about a PoH's compassion, it doesn't really make sense to me. I can't imagine someone kind just going, "I'm sorry, I can't fight them, it's against my beliefs, so instead, you go fight them then come back to me so I can heal you." If a PoH, or anyone really, is willing to agree that something needs to be put down but unwilling to do it themselves, then they just seem snobbish or really frightened of combat, neither of which I had in mind for my characters. Just... I'm not too sure where I wanted to go with this. I guess all I'm saying is that if Leora and Lucius are willing to ask others to deal with some enemies, then they'd also be willing to suck up their dislike of combat and whack the enemies a few times themselves, or more likely, throw Stop at some invading enemies before running off to warn everyone else. It's only fair, and being fair is one of the things I see PoH being. Am I... in the wrong for thinking PoH will be willing to step out of their comfort zone and sacrifice some safety for what they care about? Now that that's off my chest after several hours and several scrapped paragraphs (I sure hope that I didn't miss something after all that time simply because of sleep deprivation), I can focus on the rest of what you've said, which I now realize has to do with timelines. Well, darn. So KHI happened only a year ago? That means KHII hasn't actually happened yet, huh? At least, that's what I'm assuming from what I know about KHII happening a year or two after KHII. In the history, the twins actually meet with Alice three years after Space Paranoids is free of MCP. Mm... Looks like there'll be another shift of dates and probably a personality that's less accustomed to having a heart. I'd probably also change the meeting place from Wonderland to Hollow Bastion if Alice actually happened to be in Hollow Bastion. I dunno, sleep is overtaking me. I'll try to remember that bit about galiants not being reserved and change the parts of the profile that mention that later... when I'm not struggling to keep my eyes open. I'm happy that you seem to be enjoying this. I really am. If you weren't, I'd feel horribly guilty. Actually, I still feel a bit guilty. I knew from the moment I created the twins that they'd be stretching what would be expected of PoH. I just didn't expect they'd bring so much trouble. I still want them to work just as much as at the start, though, to show that the pure, support-type character doesn't have to just be a cure-bot with some shield skills. Although, because I've never played a truly pure of heart type of character, I'm still inexperienced in just what kind of personality and behavior can be considered pure, which likely explains how much trouble I'm having at settling the twins sweatdrop . Still, the prospect of a new role is reason itself for me to continue, as selfish as it may be. Am I rambling yet? I might be. I'm sorry for unnecessary repetitions, I want to sleep too much to go back and make my post concise gonk .
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:58 pm
Hmm, let me see if I can get this all straightened out in a way that makes sense. You're not the only one with issues concentrating, though mine are for totally different reasons. Kittens, I swear to god. xd I'll try to take this point-by-point. Kagetsukiko […]it sounds as if you're saying it makes more sense for PoH to be much more willing to direct people into combat than to participate in combat themselves. Sooort of yes and sort of no. A PoH will immediately seek out the best resolution to a problem without involving any form of combat. If combat is the only choice, they will then seek out the best person to resolve the problem. Kagetsukiko I can't imagine someone kind just going, "I'm sorry, I can't fight them, it's against my beliefs, so instead, you go fight them then come back to me so I can heal you." If a PoH […] is willing to agree that something needs to be put down but unwilling to do it themselves, then they just seem snobbish or really frightened of combat[…] It's not "against [their] beliefs" or snobbish or anything. Literally a PoH is incapable of deliberately hurting anyone or anything except as a last resort. It's less "I don't want to get my hands dirty" and more "I know I'm not suited to this task." …I actually came up with a handy-dandy PoH reasoning flow chart while trying to think of a way to accurately explain this. xd Fractal helped, too. He's an English major and has a way with words that my uneducated a** will never be able to replicate. redface Anyway, I hope this helps. If not I can try to pound out a few more paragraphs, but for that you'll probably have to wait until Tuesday; my brain needs a rest and Monday I spend with my parents. xd Kagetsukiko So KHI happened only a year ago? That means KHII hasn't actually happened yet, huh? Sora woke up from his Chain of Memories sleep one year ago in the KA timeline. So actually the Hollow Bastion events happened closer to two years ago, and KH2 started one year ago. Kagetsukiko In the history, the twins actually meet with Alice three years after Space Paranoids is free of MCP. Hm, I forgot about that gap in time there. Alice had already returned to Wonderland by the time the Space Paranoids were freed of the MCP, which… for KA, would have probably only been about half a year ago or so. According to the wiki there was about a year between the events of KH2 and KH:3D, so I'm assuming KH2 took a year, and Space Paranoids was roughly halfway through… a little more, but I'm ******** up the timeline anyway, it's not that huge of a deal. The history I have hammered out doesn't specify which PoHs were at the Hollow Bastion events, so Alice could have easily not been there and her place taken by the Keeper of another PoH. I have that bit worked out, I just forgot that the twins had been free of the MCP for three years before meeting Alice. My mistake; I should have caught that and I didn't. I'm a derp. >< What I think could be done would be to… fudge with the space/time continuum a little. I've only seen Tron like twice, but I do remember in Tron: Legacy that it was confirmed time moves a lot faster in the Grid (and, I assume, in Space Paranoids) than it does in reality. Who's to say that doesn't hold true in the Kingdom Hearts universe as well? It does in Kingdom Academy, now! xd We could very easily say that ten years had passed since the twins' creation in Space Paranoids time, which, according to the Tron wiki, would equal out to be about ten weeks (rounding down). Then, after the MCP is destroyed, the three years in Space Paranoids would only translate to three weeks in real time. Then, when the twins are extracted from Space Paranoids, they "convert" to real time and age accordingly. This way they can have all the development you wanted them to, retain their ages, and still meet Alice in the proper timeline! Its brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, I tell you! Genius I say!Honestly, the PoH characters were designed specifically to be the hardest characters to play. I didn't want everyone and their mom jumping all over them, because the PoH's are the Special Snowflakes of the Kingdom Hearts universe, and a lot of people are really all over that without considering the consequences of their characters. If you don't feel like you can fit Lucius and Leora into the mold I've set up for a PoH, I'd recommend just scrapping the whole PoH bit. They can still be the pure-hearted support type, there's absolutely nothing stopping that from happening. They just couldn't have Alice as their Galiant. Off the top of my head Rapunzel would be a great substitute for Alice, especially considering where you want these characters to go. Plus, Rapunzel was one of the Disney Princesses I was considering for Kairi's Galiant, but I went with Anna from Frozen instead, since they're both pretty decent PoH material in the first place but Anna has that spunk to her to match Kairi's. Although now that I think about it and I'm off my Frozen high Rapunzel was the better choice but oh well, I've already made Anna official xd Sorry if I missed anything, don't feel guilty, you're not the first and certainly won't be the last to have ten thousand questions and at least fifty revisions to their character, and don't worry about your rambling, I do it too. As evidenced by every post I have ever made… >.> sweatdrop Now, I've been working on this response for almost four hours now and everything's starting to blur together, so it's my turn to hope everything is concise. xd If there's anything else I need to clarify I'll get to it… probably Tuesday. Unless it's easy or my tea gives me a mental boost tomorrow. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:01 am
Oh my god. Kittens. I've never had any pets that were allowed to freely roam the house, but I can just imagine XD . Oh my god (again). Flow charts! I... am probably going to end up sticking this into my posting format for easy access xd . Yes, this helps a lot. I know I might have sounded like I was arguing, but that was just my way of poking around to figure out the edge of what a PoH could do without breaking the rules of the rp sweatdrop . No no. You're not a derp. As it stands,.. Wait. Time can move differently between worlds?! Well then. Problem solved! Almost. With your idea, I could have the twins enroll into the scroll three weeks shy of half a year ago, which would actually probably have them enrolling right smack in the middle of the school year. Would KA allow that? If so, would they be allowed to graduate with the rest of their class or held back? I can fit the twins into the mold. I just didn't want to do it in a boring way that had already been done. It's like... I wanted to add sprinkles or a different batter to the mold but didn't know how much was too much. Even from the start when they still had weapons, I always intended them to focus on applying crowd control over actual damage. The weapons were really only meant as a last-ditch option. The little bits about them attempting to fight that I added into the history were meant to show their inexperience at the start while also putting a spotlight onto how the urge to actively help is the biggest part of their decision-making. I do admit that they did start off neutral to whacking nonsentient enemies, but I can tidy that up in a jiffy. Just edit parts to mention that they felt bad whenever they hit even nonsentient enemies and quickly learned that they performed best when sticking to just crowd control. Um... That is all I need to do, right? Or am I still missing something here? I don't believe you missed anything 3nodding .
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:10 pm
Told ya I'd get to it on Tuesday. I just never said when on Tuesday~ ;P Oh, trust me, I am adept at the whole sounding-like-I'm-arguing-when-I'm-actually-confused thing. May have even perfected it into an art by now. xd And also, shhh, I am too a derp, don't question my derpness. Yes, if the twins joined the Academy months before the end of the school year, they would have gone through a few accelerated courses to catch them up with the rest of the year, but would have graduated on time. Or you could say that they spent a few weeks of their summer break in, well, summer school. You don't have to add any of that to the profile, just mention it in posts if/when it becomes relevant. You wanted red velvet cake when everyone else was getting chocolate, I see how it is~ ;P It looks like you got everything there! So guess what that means? It means you can finally go ahead and throw your profile up in the profile thread and get to actually posting! *throws confetti*
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:50 pm
New Generation TemplateName: Mickey Mouse
Aliases: The King
Species: Disney Mouse
Age: ???
Gender: Male
Appearance:
Height: 2' 3''
Weight: 23 lbs
Body Type: Mousey
Skin type: Furry
Eye Color: Black
Hair Color: Black
Hair Style: N/A
Accessories: Black Cloak - Helps protect against the negative effects of traveling through corridors of darkness/areas where darkness would otherwise affect him. Also makes him look cool.
Utility Belt - Holds his lightsaber, and has several slots for holding other items, such as potions.
Bag o' Munny - A bag full of munny. He is the king, after all.
Unusual Markings: N/A
Clothing / Description: See picture
Theme Song(s):
Significant Trait:
Quotes: To laugh at yourself is to love yourself.
Live every moment as not to regret what you are about to do.
Happiness is not about having or not having problems. Everyone has problems, but not everyone is unhappy.
Laughter is timeless, imagination has no age, and dreams are forever.
Don't worry. There will always be a door to the light.
Good/Evil/Other: Good
Element: N/A
Weapon: Lightsaber ( emotion_awesome )
Job Class: Jedi ( emotion_dowant )
Commands: Pearl- A magical attack that damages the opponent with a homing ball of light. A variation of Holy.
The Force- Allows minor telekinesis-like moving of objects up to 25 lbs.
Cure/Cura/Curaga- Restores a large amound of HP
Healing Light- Target fully recovers HP and MP
Supports: Light Step- Quiet as a church mouse. Mickey's good at sneaking around and avoiding attention.
Insight- Once a day, Mickey cannot fail at a task (with GM or player approval, depending on the task)
High Jump- Mickey can jump very high.
Glide- Instead of falling, Mickey can choose to glide.
Limit Breaks: Stopza - Has the effect of Stop on all enemies within a 50 foot radius. Lasts 3 rounds or less/more depending on the level of the bad guys.
Strengths: Fast | Small/Harder to hit (like Yoda! emotion_awesome )
Weaknesses: Cold, especially magical coldness
Personality: Hopeful | Brave | Optimistic
Mickey believes there is at least a small dose of kindness in everyone's heart, resulting in him being quite forgiving. He is also understanding and sympathetic.
Flaws: Often gets himself into trouble | Mischievous | Forgetful
Likes: Minnie | Friends | Cheese
Dislikes: Bullies
Fears: Failure
Family: Minnie Mouse, Pluto, Donald, Goofy
Bio:
King of Disney Castle. He set out to learn more about the darkness, and left instructions for Donald and Goofy to find and follow the key bearer. No one knows where King Mickey is now.
Sample Post:
It's not complete yet, but I got excited and had to post it up. I'm having some trouble thinking of abilities that Mickey would have. He's supposed to be pretty powerful, but I don't want to overdo it. Anybody have any thoughts for abilities? I'm gonna have him not have a keyblade yet. It'll be the his quest for the first bit of the RP. Thinking I'll have him start in Agrabah. If he's approved, of course.
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:34 pm
Actually, everything you have for "Supports" would be under "Commands" as well. "Supports" in this case are meant to just be "Abilities" from the KH games themselves--what we've been calling "Passives". Just to clear things up.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:17 pm
Done. I left strengths and weaknesses blank, 'cause his personality already lists those.
BTW, if anyone is waiting on me to be done before they post their profile for approval, you don't have to. Multiple profiles can be posted up at one time. Otherwise I'm guessing everyone is busy with the holidays and doesn't have time. smile Yay, holidays!
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:18 pm
Well, Strengths/Weaknesses are meant to be battle-related. Like, is he fast or slow, strong or weak, magical or physical, etc.
As far as the others go, I have on person messaging me privately, so we'll see how it all goes :3
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:55 am
Mine isn't finished but I can post what I have if you want
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:34 pm
You can post them whenever you want, that's fine :3 If you want to wait until it's finished, that's fine. But if you want to post it now to get suggestions, feel free to do that, too!
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