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 Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:39 pm
flineagle Graceangel I believe close word comparisons to the earlier uses of the word lust would be envy and coveting... they are similar emotions... I think lust, desire, adn passion all come from the same root emotion in humans.. but, take desire as a seed... and depending hwo it grows can either bloom towards something great with passion... or it can grow up corrupted and gross into lust.. nicely put.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:53 pm
t0paz Graceangel actually, i think xenosaga is a continuation of some game from the ps1 called xenogears... might want to check that out... i didn't know that about xenosaga tho. i might check that out. as for throwing things away... when i was in high school. i went to a private christian school and to graduate you had to attend this seminar that coems to town once a year. it's ran by a man named Bill Gothard, and he teaches as seminar called principles for living. He takes all the bible and breaks everything down to make it applicatble for everyday living. I did enjoy a lot of it; and he had lots of interesting stories to tell. Popular ones were with parents or youth leaders gathering various cultic type items... and throwing them away or burning them. one story he told was a girl who all of a sudden stopped eating. her parents couldn't figure out why.. then they went back to when the time came she started with it. turns out she had gotten a cabbage patch doll.. and they researched the doll's name. turned out to be the name of an indian god of malnutrition or starvation or something like that. they got rid of the doll; and their child came back to herself again. In another story he told, all the youth leaders of some church organizations got all the dungeon and dragons stuff and all the ouja boards from their youth groups neighborhoods.. met at a big part and put them in one fo those giant meta barrel garbage cans.... and burned them.. they said the colors of the flames changed sometimes and they could hear cries and screams come out from the flames.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:31 pm
RyoSW None of this is set in stone, however you look at it. Yes, it is true that the common tactic that christians use is to seperate what they see as malevolent spirits from what they see as beneficial ones, but what happens when they go to hell? They aren't going to stay there. I know I wouldn't. The truth is, these actions are reoccuring because we as the protectors of the earth fail to step up to the role. As huans, we are given the power to control much of what we see, because it is all a part of god. By setting forth boundries in the name of god, we can effectivly take ground instead of continually givin it. I am a firm believer in something that few christians seem to consider. It is that a human can take something that has been previously abandoned by the church, something labled sinful or the tools of demons, and, by setting boundries on them in the name of our lord, and by setting boundries on ourselves similarly, can reclaim them for god. While I agree that many things are truly sins, I think that man has also embellished against things that god gave us for a reason. As an example, we take lust. It's a common human emotion, a base instinct amoung mankind and all beasts under god, and a key factor in the survival of any race, let alone mankind. However, almost every branch of the church has denounced it as a whole, calling it sinful and unjust. However, by abandoning it, we have given the serpent a free medium to tempt us into true sins. Things like homosexuality, adultery, rape, all of these are forms of sin created from lust. They are what happens when you leave such things for Satan. The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:35 pm
ElDestructo RyoSW None of this is set in stone, however you look at it. Yes, it is true that the common tactic that christians use is to seperate what they see as malevolent spirits from what they see as beneficial ones, but what happens when they go to hell? They aren't going to stay there. I know I wouldn't. The truth is, these actions are reoccuring because we as the protectors of the earth fail to step up to the role. As huans, we are given the power to control much of what we see, because it is all a part of god. By setting forth boundries in the name of god, we can effectivly take ground instead of continually givin it. I am a firm believer in something that few christians seem to consider. It is that a human can take something that has been previously abandoned by the church, something labled sinful or the tools of demons, and, by setting boundries on them in the name of our lord, and by setting boundries on ourselves similarly, can reclaim them for god. While I agree that many things are truly sins, I think that man has also embellished against things that god gave us for a reason. As an example, we take lust. It's a common human emotion, a base instinct amoung mankind and all beasts under god, and a key factor in the survival of any race, let alone mankind. However, almost every branch of the church has denounced it as a whole, calling it sinful and unjust. However, by abandoning it, we have given the serpent a free medium to tempt us into true sins. Things like homosexuality, adultery, rape, all of these are forms of sin created from lust. They are what happens when you leave such things for Satan. The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged.
For example, a husband desiring his wife is not lust. If he desires another man's wife, that is lust.
I hope that made sense... sweatdrop
Anyways, as the thread was originally talking about figurines and such inviting in demons... Here's what I would say. If you think that those things are going to take your mind off of God, then it's probably a good idea to get rid of them.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:44 am
I think its like how I saw posted earlier... lust can not really be healty. what spouses would have for each other would be a desire, because spouses are allowed to be with each other. nothing is wrong with having a desire, God says He will give to us the desires of our heart. but lust is a sin, it's got to be when you desire something, anything with envy, greed or covetousness(stealing).
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:36 am
Hmm. Yeah. I just wouldn't define desire for spouses as lust... but that's just me.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:24 am
I think of desire and lust for spouses as the same thing but maybe that's just me.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:23 pm
I think as desire and lust as two different things. I can't really explain why though.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:50 pm
t0paz I think of desire and lust for spouses as the same thing but maybe that's just me.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 5:04 pm
ElDestructo t0paz I think of desire and lust for spouses as the same thing but maybe that's just me.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 8:24 pm
When the bible speaks of desire it talks of it as a good thing. but when lust is mentioned it is somehting bad... I can't recall exact scripture right now, but I'll find some and post it later.
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:04 am
Went on dictionary.com for you guys, here is what it says about
lust
1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
2. 1. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
2. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.
3. Obsolete. Pleasure; relish.
An overwhelming desire, intense eagerness; according to this definition it could be bad or good. I would think you can have an intense eagerness for you signifigant other, even a sexual eagerness at that. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming desire, although it can be. I guess what it all comes down to is just how much do you lust?
If it consumes your thoughts and actions and keeps you from God, that is bad; if it is something you are passionate about but doesn't interfere with your relationship with God, than there isn't anything wrong. Now that I think about it, that can be said with the "idols" you are talking about too.
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:58 pm
Lithanus Went on dictionary.com for you guys, here is what it says about lust 1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving. 2. 1. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power. 2. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life. 3. Obsolete. Pleasure; relish. An overwhelming desire, intense eagerness; according to this definition it could be bad or good. I would think you can have an intense eagerness for you signifigant other, even a sexual eagerness at that. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming desire, although it can be. I guess what it all comes down to is just how much do you lust? If it consumes your thoughts and actions and keeps you from God, that is bad; if it is something you are passionate about but doesn't interfere with your relationship with God, than there isn't anything wrong. Now that I think about it, that can be said with the "idols" you are talking about too. I think the dictionary gives a pretty clear view that lust is stronger then desire. In the end the idea is that nothing should take God's place in our lives.
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:25 pm
Little off subject, has anyone every knotice how meaning of words very from dictioanry to dictionary?
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:54 am
It is bound to happen, the meanings of words change every generation or so and so the dictionaries must catch up to the times.
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