|
|
| Your opinion on this? |
| It's ridiculous. |
|
42% |
[ 17 ] |
| They have a right to get their message out. |
|
37% |
[ 15 ] |
| I don't care. |
|
20% |
[ 8 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 40 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:21 pm
MingLeChat Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Why? If their gonna help those kids, and especially if their doing it because they felt Jesus wanted them to, then why would they bother with other beliefs? I don't think it's bad. I think Christianity's the on true religion and should be spread. Besides, if God doesn't exist, who gets to decide if it's 'bad'?
I suggest, however, to not assume that Atheists can't have morals of good and bad.
Secondly, I told you that many people have different religions and all of them say their religion is correct. In my opinion, their opinion is equal to yours. Therefor, those kids should have a chance at believing in what they want to and not have someone else tell them what is correct. Mostly because there is the possibility of it being wrong.
I mean, you could talk about your religion and what it wants but that doesn't change how another religion and it's follower could tell me something similar. I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. Quote: Not to mention I remember Jesus said that he wanted people to join his religion, not have others get people to join. * Forcing if you will, although that seems too strong. * What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.actually, the Greeks had it before then. and one could even argue the Celtic people. also, the Mayans. and other ancient native American religions are MUCH older then the Romans religion.
I had to fix myself because I confused Christianity with something else.
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:24 pm
Captain_Shinzo MingLeChat Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo I'm not going to argue with you again about morals because that is not related here.
I suggest, however, to not assume that Atheists can't have morals of good and bad.
Secondly, I told you that many people have different religions and all of them say their religion is correct. In my opinion, their opinion is equal to yours. Therefor, those kids should have a chance at believing in what they want to and not have someone else tell them what is correct. Mostly because there is the possibility of it being wrong.
I mean, you could talk about your religion and what it wants but that doesn't change how another religion and it's follower could tell me something similar. I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. Quote: Not to mention I remember Jesus said that he wanted people to join his religion, not have others get people to join. * Forcing if you will, although that seems too strong. * What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.actually, the Greeks had it before then. and one could even argue the Celtic people. also, the Mayans. and other ancient native American religions are MUCH older then the Romans religion.
I had to fix myself because I confused Christianity with something else.k, sorry bout that. I must of missed it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:35 pm
MingLeChat Captain_Shinzo MingLeChat Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.actually, the Greeks had it before then. and one could even argue the Celtic people. also, the Mayans. and other ancient native American religions are MUCH older then the Romans religion.
I had to fix myself because I confused Christianity with something else.k, sorry bout that. I must of missed it.
XD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:59 pm
yes, it is incredibly ******** up that people spend so much energy, time, money and space arguing over religion. it's stupid. hasn't anyone ever heard of "live and let live"? good ******** gods, if you are religious, fine, just don't shove it down anyone's throats. and if you are atheist, great, but likewise you don't have to be a self-righteous d**k about ******** the idiots of the world. why can't we get along, regardless of our beliefs? as i told my boyfriend earlier tonight, if i ever have a nation of my own i'll call it the USD: United Socialist Democracy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:54 pm
Chieftain Twilight yes, it is incredibly ******** up that people spend so much energy, time, money and space arguing over religion. it's stupid. hasn't anyone ever heard of "live and let live"? good ******** gods, if you are religious, fine, just don't shove it down anyone's throats. and if you are atheist, great, but likewise you don't have to be a self-righteous d**k about it. ******** the idiots of the world. why can't we get along, regardless of our beliefs? as i told my boyfriend earlier tonight, if i ever have a nation of my own i'll call it the USD: United Socialist Democracy. I'm surprised people don't get more hyper about it myself...I mean what happens after we die depends on who's right. Religion and belief should be given a lot of consideration if that's the only thing you take into account, and it's not. There's other important things that are based on religion too, and people just ignoring the subject doesn't make it go away.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:57 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Chieftain Twilight yes, it is incredibly ******** up that people spend so much energy, time, money and space arguing over religion. it's stupid. hasn't anyone ever heard of "live and let live"? good ******** gods, if you are religious, fine, just don't shove it down anyone's throats. and if you are atheist, great, but likewise you don't have to be a self-righteous d**k about it. ******** the idiots of the world. why can't we get along, regardless of our beliefs? as i told my boyfriend earlier tonight, if i ever have a nation of my own i'll call it the USD: United Socialist Democracy. I'm surprised people don't get more hyper about it myself...I mean what happens after we die depends on who's right. Religion and belief should be given a lot of consideration if that's the only thing you take into account, and it's not. There's other important things that are based on religion too, and people just ignoring the subject doesn't make it go away. ...?? ignoring the subject? who's right? i'm confused, i don't think i understand what you are trying to say. what's your point dear?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:01 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Tiina Brown xxEternallyBluexx: ........... I CAN'T kill myself. I would have done it several years ago, if i could, if only to tell God: "You have thrown too much at me this time, i cannot take this ........." If i had killed myself, God would have NO REASON to be disappointed in me, i have always done what i could under the circumstances. I'm not very "Pious", and i swear frequently, but i do what i can, and if God want me to do more, then God makes me able to do so. Yes. I question GOD, not the existance, but the decisions. I also question Science, and even my own viewpoints. That way, it is easier to find the possible truths behind it all, instead of just settling for self-proclaimed "Answers". God don't mind answering, by the way, but the answers may be nither what you like, nor expect, and may even have to be questioned further. I don't think i question Atheism any longer, there is really nothing to question as such, normally. .................................................. I'd find a way, if I had good reason to think He didn't exist. It's not just the whole not wanting to disappoint Him thing though-it's also that being here means something. It matters that we're alive, and doing everything we can. If there's no God, then life's too much trouble. That's my whole thing. And questioning God's a good thing, as long as your not doing it to tear Him down or anything like that.
Why does everyone care about meaning now?
Everything has meaning, even life. Why does death have to be meaning? Sounds so depressing.
What is this meaning anyway? I mean, what kind of meaning does God give you, what purpose? Are you suppose to help God in some way or is your purpose being the same relationship between a dog and man?My purpose is that God has a place for me, on this globe and in His heart. He has Saved me even though I deserved worse. He has a reason for me being here. There's even a Psalm that goes 'You are not a mistake'. Everything that's good comes from God, and He's in control, and He wants me here. He's promised me a future, and later eternal life. The things that I struggle through will not be forgotten, and neither will the moments on this earth, and there will be thousands more good moments when I finally get to leave. ^^ I can find my purpose in meaning in that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:04 pm
XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.No, I believe in God because of my revelation and my mom's and the fact that so many others have a similar revelation, and also because of some of the things I read which view the world through a religious scope and make it make more sense. I'm also a Christian because without God, I wouldn't have a reason not to kill myself. You're off. There's plenty of religions who root farther back then that, like Judiasm technically began with Abraham far before the Romans were even around. And yes, religion being very popular is one sign there's some deity out there. That's a very simple argument. >< Bible verse please? It's could be out of context.
I just came across it when flipping around in the book after receiving a school reward.
Although, that will just make it null-and-void.
Still, my point stands on spreading religions. Telling people about a belief and telling them it is the one and only belief is different.
Also, the argument that there are plenty of religions so a deity must exist is not true. .___.
More does not mean anything.
It just means there are a large selection of religions to pick from.
Now if you have to believe in a religion to keep yourself from being suicidal, then maybe that helps your case in needing a religion.
I can understand that. But maybe if you understood that you don't need God to be not suicidal, then maybe the world wouldn't seem as evil.
Think about that for a bit.
Yes, there was Juedaism before the Romans. However, the romans were known for contemplating forming today's popular religion.Look it up on Google, or buy a Bible. You can get one for a $1. And anyway Semi had the point on the Great Commison so the point is null, like you said. No it means either a great deal of the population is suffering from a mass delusion, or there's something out there. I hate my life. The only reason I haven't killed myself is because I couldn't stand to die and have the Lord be disappointed in me. Even if I didn't hate my life, the thought that all that's been done, all the pain, all the beauty, everything that's ever been and ever will be will not be remembered, will essentially be worthless...it drives me nuts. I can't live with that. That still isn't the root, or a reason for us to have morals. wink Don't be so nihilistic, just because something won't be remembered in 20,000 years doesn't mean it won't ever have any value. Live your life for the moment and for yourself not for those who don't even exist yet. I don't see any purpose to that. Living for oneself is very...empty. I can't see putting any effort into the world, or even into my existence, unless there's a purpose to my doing so.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:09 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Tiina Brown xxEternallyBluexx: ........... I CAN'T kill myself. I would have done it several years ago, if i could, if only to tell God: "You have thrown too much at me this time, i cannot take this ........." If i had killed myself, God would have NO REASON to be disappointed in me, i have always done what i could under the circumstances. I'm not very "Pious", and i swear frequently, but i do what i can, and if God want me to do more, then God makes me able to do so. Yes. I question GOD, not the existance, but the decisions. I also question Science, and even my own viewpoints. That way, it is easier to find the possible truths behind it all, instead of just settling for self-proclaimed "Answers". God don't mind answering, by the way, but the answers may be nither what you like, nor expect, and may even have to be questioned further. I don't think i question Atheism any longer, there is really nothing to question as such, normally. .................................................. I'd find a way, if I had good reason to think He didn't exist. It's not just the whole not wanting to disappoint Him thing though-it's also that being here means something. It matters that we're alive, and doing everything we can. If there's no God, then life's too much trouble. That's my whole thing. And questioning God's a good thing, as long as your not doing it to tear Him down or anything like that.
Why does everyone care about meaning now?
Everything has meaning, even life. Why does death have to be meaning? Sounds so depressing.
What is this meaning anyway? I mean, what kind of meaning does God give you, what purpose? Are you suppose to help God in some way or is your purpose being the same relationship between a dog and man?My purpose is that God has a place for me, on this globe and in His heart. He has Saved me even though I deserved worse. He has a reason for me being here. There's even a Psalm that goes 'You are not a mistake'. Everything that's good comes from God, and He's in control, and He wants me here. He's promised me a future, and later eternal life. The things that I struggle through will not be forgotten, and neither will the moments on this earth, and there will be thousands more good moments when I finally get to leave. ^^ I can find my purpose in meaning in that.
Hrm, on a serious note, I looked at both religion and found I had no meaning in either of them, or more likely meaning in both.
On one hand, I could respect something I have no proof that exists and be treated like a house cat lost in a house OR I could spend my time being loved by other cats that want me around and have more respect for me.
In other words, my purpose is given by others and myself, not by another person. Purpose isn't just given when someone creates you, just your effect in time.
In other words, there is no point in trying to be remembered because there is no need.
As they say, in with the now. I guess it is just like the Weekend Wars then.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:11 pm
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx No, I believe in God because of my revelation and my mom's and the fact that so many others have a similar revelation, and also because of some of the things I read which view the world through a religious scope and make it make more sense. I'm also a Christian because without God, I wouldn't have a reason not to kill myself. You're off. There's plenty of religions who root farther back then that, like Judiasm technically began with Abraham far before the Romans were even around. And yes, religion being very popular is one sign there's some deity out there. That's a very simple argument. >< Bible verse please? It's could be out of context.
I just came across it when flipping around in the book after receiving a school reward.
Although, that will just make it null-and-void.
Still, my point stands on spreading religions. Telling people about a belief and telling them it is the one and only belief is different.
Also, the argument that there are plenty of religions so a deity must exist is not true. .___.
More does not mean anything.
It just means there are a large selection of religions to pick from.
Now if you have to believe in a religion to keep yourself from being suicidal, then maybe that helps your case in needing a religion.
I can understand that. But maybe if you understood that you don't need God to be not suicidal, then maybe the world wouldn't seem as evil.
Think about that for a bit.
Yes, there was Juedaism before the Romans. However, the romans were known for contemplating forming today's popular religion.Look it up on Google, or buy a Bible. You can get one for a $1. And anyway Semi had the point on the Great Commison so the point is null, like you said. No it means either a great deal of the population is suffering from a mass delusion, or there's something out there. I hate my life. The only reason I haven't killed myself is because I couldn't stand to die and have the Lord be disappointed in me. Even if I didn't hate my life, the thought that all that's been done, all the pain, all the beauty, everything that's ever been and ever will be will not be remembered, will essentially be worthless...it drives me nuts. I can't live with that. That still isn't the root, or a reason for us to have morals. wink Don't be so nihilistic, just because something won't be remembered in 20,000 years doesn't mean it won't ever have any value. Live your life for the moment and for yourself not for those who don't even exist yet. I don't see any purpose to that. Living for oneself is very...empty. I can't see putting any effort into the world, or even into my existence, unless there's a purpose to my doing so.
I mean, take into account that you are saying you HAVE to have some divine being make you in order to help others.
Does this mean you only care for others because you have to?
Would you not want to help people if a deity didn't exist to you? :S
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:17 pm
@ EB: blah blah blah, prostlityzer. that story is well and good dear, but this isn't the place. and you havn't answered my question.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:15 pm
Interesting forum... I seldom read an entire forum, and I have to say, this intrigued me... now, I don't really know much about religion, or anything except music, which is totally irrelevant, so please disregard that... let's see... I'll just start with saying that I personally don't see how you have to rely on a deity or a religion to live... well, that's just my ignorant opinion, considering I've never really had a reason to kill myself before, but it's an opinion nonetheless... Next, I'd like to say that a lot of Christians have tried to convert me before in the past... I've had a girlfriend that said either I convert into her religion or she dumps me... which I was very fond... kind of infatuated with her... I could of lied to her, but I didn't see the point, if she didn't love me enough to disregard her beliefs... oh well, that's also totally irrelevant... What I mean is, I kind of hate it when people force religion on others, and I also hate it when people preach all of the time and they don't even realize that they're even doing it... anyway, this whole thing was irrelevant, so I'll just answer the question, "Are you good without God?", yes, I'm sure I am, I enjoy the freedom as an Agnostic Atheist *No, it's not a contradiction*, believing in possibilities rather than a definite... but then again, this is just an ignorant 16 year old...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:22 pm
theif519 Interesting forum... I seldom read an entire forum, and I have to say, this intrigued me... now, I don't really know much about religion, or anything except music, which is totally irrelevant, so please disregard that... let's see... I'll just start with saying that I personally don't see how you have to rely on a deity or a religion to live... well, that's just my ignorant opinion, considering I've never really had a reason to kill myself before, but it's an opinion nonetheless... Next, I'd like to say that a lot of Christians have tried to convert me before in the past... I've had a girlfriend that said either I convert into her religion or she dumps me... which I was very fond... kind of infatuated with her... I could of lied to her, but I didn't see the point, if she didn't love me enough to disregard her beliefs... oh well, that's also totally irrelevant... What I mean is, I kind of hate it when people force religion on others, and I also hate it when people preach all of the time and they don't even realize that they're even doing it... anyway, this whole thing was irrelevant, so I'll just answer the question, "Are you good without God?", yes, I'm sure I am, I enjoy the freedom as an Agnostic Atheist *No, it's not a contradiction*, believing in possibilities rather than a definite... but then again, this is just an ignorant 16 year old... there's nothing ignorant about that. o.O; it's not actively studious about it, but it's not ignorant.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:36 pm
Everyone has the right to spend whatever amount of money they want on anything they believe in.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:43 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx No, I believe in God because of my revelation and my mom's and the fact that so many others have a similar revelation, and also because of some of the things I read which view the world through a religious scope and make it make more sense. I'm also a Christian because without God, I wouldn't have a reason not to kill myself. You're off. There's plenty of religions who root farther back then that, like Judiasm technically began with Abraham far before the Romans were even around. And yes, religion being very popular is one sign there's some deity out there. That's a very simple argument. >< Bible verse please? It's could be out of context.
I just came across it when flipping around in the book after receiving a school reward.
Although, that will just make it null-and-void.
Still, my point stands on spreading religions. Telling people about a belief and telling them it is the one and only belief is different.
Also, the argument that there are plenty of religions so a deity must exist is not true. .___.
More does not mean anything.
It just means there are a large selection of religions to pick from.
Now if you have to believe in a religion to keep yourself from being suicidal, then maybe that helps your case in needing a religion.
I can understand that. But maybe if you understood that you don't need God to be not suicidal, then maybe the world wouldn't seem as evil.
Think about that for a bit.
Yes, there was Juedaism before the Romans. However, the romans were known for contemplating forming today's popular religion.Look it up on Google, or buy a Bible. You can get one for a $1. And anyway Semi had the point on the Great Commison so the point is null, like you said. No it means either a great deal of the population is suffering from a mass delusion, or there's something out there. I hate my life. The only reason I haven't killed myself is because I couldn't stand to die and have the Lord be disappointed in me. Even if I didn't hate my life, the thought that all that's been done, all the pain, all the beauty, everything that's ever been and ever will be will not be remembered, will essentially be worthless...it drives me nuts. I can't live with that. That still isn't the root, or a reason for us to have morals. wink Don't be so nihilistic, just because something won't be remembered in 20,000 years doesn't mean it won't ever have any value. Live your life for the moment and for yourself not for those who don't even exist yet. I don't see any purpose to that. Living for oneself is very...empty. I can't see putting any effort into the world, or even into my existence, unless there's a purpose to my doing so.
I mean, take into account that you are saying you HAVE to have some divine being make you in order to help others.
Does this mean you only care for others because you have to?
Would you not want to help people if a deity didn't exist to you? :SI'd still have a desire to help others, but I wouldn't see a purpose to it. It'd seem like a silly thing, because then it'd all be because of some chemicals in our head and bodies making us feel certain stuff. What's the purpose to that?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
