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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:11 am
Broken_Penguin_Man And Celtic isn't always an adjective. Celtic could be refering to the group of people that believed the Celtic religion. A sentence where it is used as a noun, "Damn those Celtic, they raised my farm to the ground." Firstly: Your grammar is wrong. Not different. Wrong. Grammatically, it would be "Damn those Celt s, they razed my farm to the ground". Raise means to bring up. Raze means to tear down. Broken_Penguin_Man If Celtic is an adjective in that, what is it modifying? The noun that follows it, like any other adjective. Now, there was no such people as the Celts. There were several celtic peoples. Celtic is a linguistic grouping, not an ethnic or racial one. The people who spoke celtic languages (breton, manx, Irish, Scots Gaelic, Brythoni, gaullish, cornish, etc) are not one people. They do not share a religion, pantheon or culture. They have no more in common than the Romanians and the Spanish (that is to say that both the Romanians and Spanish speak Romance languages, are both human races and are both europeans). If you insist on referring to the "celts" know that you are referring to either a race that never existed or referring to a race by a name that isn't one they call themselves. It's time for you to pick which kind of ignorant racist you're being so I can properly call you to task on it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:15 pm
I'm of Irish and Welsh heritage, so I know well enough that there were multiple Celtic races, and were often at war with each other. That is irrelevant to the point I was making though. And the time period someone would have said that, the English (Or any other language they may have been speaking.) would have been correct. (I know that in modern times, Celtic is only used as an adjective, but that isn't how it was.) But, I acknowledge that the name is incorrect. But then, I'm faced with what I should call it. You have any ideas, even on where to begin? I doubt it though.
And Celtic refers to the people living in the area around that time period, not a specific group of people within the Celtic (Blank.) (I don't know what the word would be... definition?)
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:27 pm
Illiezeulette kage no neko So you are introduced to the Lord and Lady before your initiation? Not formally in ritual. That happens during first degree initiation. Before the initiation, do you get to interact with the Lord and Lady at all, or are just simply taught about them? (basing this off of "...are discussed pre-initiation and they are called into the Circle during Outer Court rituals.")
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:14 pm
I'm bored, so I'm going to give you an icon to use on me...  But I'm not that stupid...
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:45 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man I'm of Irish and Welsh heritage, so I know well enough that there were multiple Celtic races Non-sequitor. Your ancestry does not imply you know these things. The way in which you used the word, on the other hand, makes it seem otherwise. Broken_Penguin_Man And the time period someone would have said that, the English (Or any other language they may have been speaking.) would have been correct. No. You're not getting me here. They had nothing more in common than the Romanians and the Spanish. Broken_Penguin_Man I know that in modern times, Celtic is only used as an adjective, but that isn't how it was. That's precisely how it was. Broken_Penguin_Man And Celtic refers to the people living in the area around that time period, not a specific group of people within the Celtic (Blank.) (I don't know what the word would be... definition?) Noun.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:56 pm
CuAnnan Broken_Penguin_Man I'm of Irish and Welsh heritage, so I know well enough that there were multiple Celtic races Non-sequitor. Your ancestry does not imply you know these things. The way in which you used the word, on the other hand, makes it seem otherwise. Broken_Penguin_Man And the time period someone would have said that, the English (Or any other language they may have been speaking.) would have been correct. No. You're not getting me here. They had nothing more in common than the Romanians and the Spanish. Broken_Penguin_Man I know that in modern times, Celtic is only used as an adjective, but that isn't how it was. That's precisely how it was. Broken_Penguin_Man And Celtic refers to the people living in the area around that time period, not a specific group of people within the Celtic (Blank.) (I don't know what the word would be... definition?) Noun. I didn't know what to say. I have studied Irish and Welsh history. And I know that the Irish and Welsh languages are not at all related to English. I could have just said English and Latin though, because if they weren't attacking each other, they were attacking the Romans and the English. And English is very similar to Latin. I know ancestry has nothing to do with my knowledge, it suggests an interest in learning my cultural history. Thanks for the word though. I'm not sure it is right though...
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:32 am
Broken_Penguin_Man I have studied Irish and Welsh history. What period of Irish history did you study? Where? For how long? And to what extent? I have, academically and scholastically studied Irish history for 10 years, from the ages of 4 through 11 in a state education system that leaves the eleven year old with the equivalent of a first year university course in America. I'm not saying our education system is better than yours, I'm saying that where it comes to mandatory Irish history, we force our children to learn it. Add to that 10 years of home-study through further education systems, like FÁS and Open University. I'm going to be exceedingly nice to you now. I'm going to treat you as though you were Irish and had made these claims. So, put up or shut up. Broken_Penguin_Man And English is very similar to Latin. No. It's not. English is a germanic language inheriting and assimilating from every language it has ever come in contact with. Latin is not a germanic language. They are gramattically as distinct from each other as indo-european languages can get. There is no syntactic similarity between them either. The only superficial similarity (if you close one eye and squint really hard with the other) is in vocabulary. Broken_Penguin_Man I know ancestry has nothing to do with my knowledge, it suggests an interest in learning my cultural history. No. It doesn't. Most people I know with Irish ancestry who don't live here have no inclination to learn their cultural history. They just want to be able to call themselves Irish. Broken_Penguin_Man Thanks for the word though. I'm not sure it is right though... If you keep arguing that the word "celtic" is anything other than an adjective (save in the instances where it is the name of a football team, business or other modern institution) I am going to be left with no alternative but to think that you are being intentionally idiotic. In ethno-linguistic terms, the word "celtic" is only ever an adjective. There is no case to be made for your position. If you insist on pursuing this avenue, I will be left with no recourse other than to publicly and repeatedly prove you to be 100% ignorant. I am not going to let this go. I am not going to agree to differ. This is not opinion versus opinion. The fact of the matter is that you are wrong and it is well passed time for you to admit it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:45 pm
CuAnnan Broken_Penguin_Man And English is very similar to Latin. No. It's not. English is a germanic language inheriting and assimilating from every language it has ever come in contact with. Latin is not a germanic language. They are gramattically as distinct from each other as indo-european languages can get. There is no syntactic similarity between them either. The only superficial similarity (if you close one eye and squint really hard with the other) is in vocabulary. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that English has taken a lot of Latin words and twisted them? I know there are words that come from words that were originally Latin. I don't know of many that are still Latin, besides what's used in medical fields.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:18 pm
kage no neko CuAnnan Broken_Penguin_Man And English is very similar to Latin. No. It's not. English is a germanic language inheriting and assimilating from every language it has ever come in contact with. Latin is not a germanic language. They are gramattically as distinct from each other as indo-european languages can get. There is no syntactic similarity between them either. The only superficial similarity (if you close one eye and squint really hard with the other) is in vocabulary. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that English has taken a lot of Latin words and twisted them? I know there are words that come from words that were originally Latin. I don't know of many that are still Latin, besides what's used in medical fields. Just a guess, but that's probably what CuAnnan means by "similarity...in vocabulary".
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:44 pm
Nines19 kage no neko CuAnnan Broken_Penguin_Man And English is very similar to Latin. No. It's not. English is a germanic language inheriting and assimilating from every language it has ever come in contact with. Latin is not a germanic language. They are gramattically as distinct from each other as indo-european languages can get. There is no syntactic similarity between them either. The only superficial similarity (if you close one eye and squint really hard with the other) is in vocabulary. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that English has taken a lot of Latin words and twisted them? I know there are words that come from words that were originally Latin. I don't know of many that are still Latin, besides what's used in medical fields. Just a guess, but that's probably what CuAnnan means by "similarity...in vocabulary". CuAnnan went a little far with the 'close your eyes and squint really hard' statement though. I'm in no way an expert in the field, but I did learn from about it in a course entitled 'English Roots in Latin'. English is based more off germanic language of course, but a lot of roots for our words come from latin, and English and Latin are way more similar, then say, English and Chinese. Of course our Latin based words don't tend to be used as often, but there's still a good deal of them, even if they have been anglacized (I probrably screwed that word up. Could anyone give me the correct spelling?)
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:09 am
Here's a few words that use latin in it.
Aquifer
hydroelectric
psycho
Antidisestablishment
(If you want, I can find my English-Latin roots notes. Most words have at least one Latin root in it. We don't learn how the Germanic languages effected English do we?)
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:26 am
English has heaps of influences. Latin is one, and is also an influence through the really huge influence of French. But that's less of it actually being Latin and more of French, if we're honest with ourselves. We also have a tendency to use it for prefixes and suffixes. But we do the same with Greek. Actually we probably do it more with Greek. I really should study linguistics. BUT it is an EXCEEDINGLY different language. English relies heavily on the order of words to determine the meaning of a sentence. Latin does not. There are particular ways of organising a sentence that are more popular, and ways that sound better. But you can stick any word in any order and it will mean exactly the same thing. "Cogito ergo sum" is the same as "sum ergo cogito", "ergo sum cogito", "sum cogito ergo" and "ergo cogito sum". Also Latin is an inflected language; English uses inflection a lot less. In English, your name is the same whether you're standing next to something, on it, under it, moving towards it or moving away from it. In Latin, your position is partly indicated by modification of your name. A noun in itself can indicate whether it is the subject or object, ownership, position, yada yada. For a brief lesson, please see Monty Python.Anyway. I know that was slightly off-topic, but let this be a lesson to you: if you get a tattoo done in Latin, ask a person who actually knows Latin. Yon internet translation engine will not take case into account. And yes, I will laugh at you if your grammar is wrong.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:34 am
Um... French is based off of Latin too...
But Greek? I would like to know the Greek we use.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:36 am
xxEternallyBluexx Of course our Latin based words don't tend to be used as often, but there's still a good deal of them Some of our words (vocabulary) come from latin. The rest of the language doesn't. Given that the majority of the language is not the vocabulary, my point stands. I wasn't exhagerating when I said squint with one eye and close the other altogether, I was expressing the linguistic truth that English doesn't even vaguely resemble latin unless you ignore the majority of the language.
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:38 am
Broken_Penguin_Man But Greek? I would like to know the Greek we use. Logic, telephone, telescope, philosophy, physics, mathematics
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