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MissDemeter

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:06 pm


I am currently an atheist, but I am open to other ideas. (I'm more of a de facto atheist, caught between atheism and agnosticism) I was reading (lurking) in this forum, (the paganism one) and I got interested. I know very little of Neo-Paganism and Wicca, but what I do know intrigues me. And I had a thought:

Maybe the reason I'm an atheist is just because I don't feel a connection to the Abrahamic God. Maybe he seems so ridiculous to me because I cannot feel him. Maybe I can connect with other gods/goddesses.

Because I have always loved the idea of being connected to a higher being. I tried to be Christian, but I just couldn't do it. So I'm (very) willing to give Wicca or even another type of paganism a try.

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start? What books should I read, what websites should I look at, what do I need?

Oh, and I'm also unsure how many types there are. If someone could fill me in on the main groups, it would be much appreciated. Although I'm more interested in solitary practicing. (Eclectic Wiccanism for example)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:10 pm


I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:11 pm


Broken_Penguin_Man
I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.


Celtic Wicca does not exist. confused Wicca is an initiatory religion that worships gods who are not of a Celtic pantheon.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:18 pm


MissDemeter
Because I have always loved the idea of being connected to a higher being. I tried to be Christian, but I just couldn't do it. So I'm (very) willing to give Wicca or even another type of paganism a try.

Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start? What books should I read, what websites should I look at, what do I need?


I suggest starting by looking into Paganism in general. "Paganism: a Guide to Earth-Centred Religions" by Joyce and River Higginbotham is pretty good for a text that tries to cover SO much area. Paganism is a BIG umbrella term. But it's fairly good for what it tries to do so give it a read.

Wicca is an initiatory religion, one that involves a lot of searching in order to find a coven. They need to consider you a "proper person" and at the right place mentally, emotionally, spiritually and in your everyday life to take on the role of priest/ess. If you'd like to learn more about Wicca I recommend reading through the archives of the Amber and Jet mailing list, .

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Oh, and I'm also unsure how many types there are. If someone could fill me in on the main groups, it would be much appreciated. Although I'm more interested in solitary practicing. (Eclectic Wiccanism for example)


Wicca doesn't come in "eclectic" wink Nor does it come in "solitary". If you're looking to practise a religion alone, you're best off looking elsewhere within Paganism.

Which is very broad. What are you looking for in a religion? Deities, obviously. One, two, or many? Magical practise? Simple or complex rituals? What culture's myths did you most enjoy reading as a child, and now? What palaeo-Pagan culture do you find most interesting at this point?

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MissDemeter

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:09 am


Sanguina Cruenta


I suggest starting by looking into Paganism in general. "Paganism: a Guide to Earth-Centred Religions" by Joyce and River Higginbotham is pretty good for a text that tries to cover SO much area. Paganism is a BIG umbrella term. But it's fairly good for what it tries to do so give it a read.

Wicca is an initiatory religion, one that involves a lot of searching in order to find a coven. They need to consider you a "proper person" and at the right place mentally, emotionally, spiritually and in your everyday life to take on the role of priest/ess. If you'd like to learn more about Wicca I recommend reading through the archives of the Amber and Jet mailing list.


O.o, well I'm not exactly the most emotionally balanced person, and while I love being in a group, others sometimes are put off by my observationalist nature. I like to watch and observe. Sometimes I will participate, but for the most part, I'm just fascinated with the way people interact. And some people are a little unnerved by that.

Sanguina Cruenta
Wicca doesn't come in "eclectic" wink Nor does it come in "solitary". If you're looking to practise a religion alone, you're best off looking elsewhere within Paganism.


Oh. CURSE YOU WIKIPEDIA! Well then I guess Wicca is not my thing. Like I said, I'm judged very often, and I would not want to be judged by my family. (Which I understand a coven is somewhat like)

Sanguina Cruenta
Which is very broad. What are you looking for in a religion? Deities, obviously. One, two, or many? Magical practise? Simple or complex rituals? What culture's myths did you most enjoy reading as a child, and now? What palaeo-Pagan culture do you find most interesting at this point?


I don't care how many gods. Monotheistic, pantheistic, it's all fine with me. I would want to do some magical practising, along with rituals. And I guess I would want both simple and complex rituals. Simple, sort of everyday rituals and then more complex ones when something is really important. As for myths? I've always LOVED Greek mythology. Also, I obviously love the Greek god Demeter. And I'm not sure what a palaeo-pagan culture is.

Thanks for all of your help so far, please help me a bit further?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:24 pm


Sanguina Cruenta
Broken_Penguin_Man
I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.


Celtic Wicca does not exist. confused Wicca is an initiatory religion that worships gods who are not of a Celtic pantheon.


Celtic Wicca is a tradition of Wicca, loosely synchronized with elements of Celtic mythology, mostly, as noted by authors including Ronald Hutton, Kelly, Greer and Cooper, by way of the Romanticist Celtic Revival. Raeburn (2001) is aware of the ahistoricity of "Celtic Wicca", establishing "a firm distinction between historical Celtic inspiration and modern Wiccan practice". Celtic Wiccans worship some of the gods of the Celtic pantheon; however, this worship is within a Wiccan structure, not a Celtic one. (Got that on wikipedia.)
TRY SAYIN' MY RELIGION DON'T EXIST AGAIN!

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Falsequivalence

PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:31 pm


MissDemeter
Sanguina Cruenta


I suggest starting by looking into Paganism in general. "Paganism: a Guide to Earth-Centred Religions" by Joyce and River Higginbotham is pretty good for a text that tries to cover SO much area. Paganism is a BIG umbrella term. But it's fairly good for what it tries to do so give it a read.

Wicca is an initiatory religion, one that involves a lot of searching in order to find a coven. They need to consider you a "proper person" and at the right place mentally, emotionally, spiritually and in your everyday life to take on the role of priest/ess. If you'd like to learn more about Wicca I recommend reading through the archives of the Amber and Jet mailing list.


O.o, well I'm not exactly the most emotionally balanced person, and while I love being in a group, others sometimes are put off by my observationalist nature. I like to watch and observe. Sometimes I will participate, but for the most part, I'm just fascinated with the way people interact. And some people are a little unnerved by that.

Sanguina Cruenta
Wicca doesn't come in "eclectic" wink Nor does it come in "solitary". If you're looking to practise a religion alone, you're best off looking elsewhere within Paganism.


Oh. CURSE YOU WIKIPEDIA! Well then I guess Wicca is not my thing. Like I said, I'm judged very often, and I would not want to be judged by my family. (Which I understand a coven is somewhat like)

Sanguina Cruenta
Which is very broad. What are you looking for in a religion? Deities, obviously. One, two, or many? Magical practise? Simple or complex rituals? What culture's myths did you most enjoy reading as a child, and now? What palaeo-Pagan culture do you find most interesting at this point?


I don't care how many gods. Monotheistic, pantheistic, it's all fine with me. I would want to do some magical practising, along with rituals. And I guess I would want both simple and complex rituals. Simple, sort of everyday rituals and then more complex ones when something is really important. As for myths? I've always LOVED Greek mythology. Also, I obviously love the Greek god Demeter. And I'm not sure what a palaeo-pagan culture is.

Thanks for all of your help so far, please help me a bit further?


You can practice Wicca solitarily, it is just not what is usually done. It is what I usually do. Wicca allows for alot of personal freedom, which is a major reason I like it. It's hard to practice it if your solitary though.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:54 pm


Broken_Penguin_Man
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I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.


Celtic Wicca does not exist. confused Wicca is an initiatory religion that worships gods who are not of a Celtic pantheon.


Celtic Wicca is a tradition of Wicca, loosely synchronized with elements of Celtic mythology, mostly, as noted by authors including Ronald Hutton, Kelly, Greer and Cooper, by way of the Romanticist Celtic Revival. Raeburn (2001) is aware of the ahistoricity of "Celtic Wicca", establishing "a firm distinction between historical Celtic inspiration and modern Wiccan practice". Celtic Wiccans worship some of the gods of the Celtic pantheon; however, this worship is within a Wiccan structure, not a Celtic one. (Got that on wikipedia.)
TRY SAYIN' MY RELIGION DON'T EXIST AGAIN!
Your tradition is not of the Wica.

Wicca is an initionary, orthopraxic, fertility, witch cult.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:28 pm


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I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.


Celtic Wicca does not exist. confused Wicca is an initiatory religion that worships gods who are not of a Celtic pantheon.


Celtic Wicca is a tradition of Wicca, loosely synchronized with elements of Celtic mythology, mostly, as noted by authors including Ronald Hutton, Kelly, Greer and Cooper, by way of the Romanticist Celtic Revival. Raeburn (2001) is aware of the ahistoricity of "Celtic Wicca", establishing "a firm distinction between historical Celtic inspiration and modern Wiccan practice". Celtic Wiccans worship some of the gods of the Celtic pantheon; however, this worship is within a Wiccan structure, not a Celtic one. (Got that on wikipedia.)
TRY SAYIN' MY RELIGION DON'T EXIST AGAIN!
Your tradition is not of the Wica.

Wicca is an initionary, orthopraxic, fertility, witch cult.


No, it is not Wicca. It is mostly Wiccan beliefs, but with certain Celtic ones thrown in there. But that doesn't change the fact that it exists. You denied the fact that it exists, and your only bringing up that it's not Wicca so you can win an argument you lost with that post.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:32 pm


Broken_Penguin_Man
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Broken_Penguin_Man
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Broken_Penguin_Man
I'm Celtic Wiccan. I was taught by a close friend of mine. You should probably find someone that is also pagan and let that other person teach you. I don't know much either, but I've been to a few rituals and have a minor grasp on some gods. but that's about it.


Celtic Wicca does not exist. confused Wicca is an initiatory religion that worships gods who are not of a Celtic pantheon.


Celtic Wicca is a tradition of Wicca, loosely synchronized with elements of Celtic mythology, mostly, as noted by authors including Ronald Hutton, Kelly, Greer and Cooper, by way of the Romanticist Celtic Revival. Raeburn (2001) is aware of the ahistoricity of "Celtic Wicca", establishing "a firm distinction between historical Celtic inspiration and modern Wiccan practice". Celtic Wiccans worship some of the gods of the Celtic pantheon; however, this worship is within a Wiccan structure, not a Celtic one. (Got that on wikipedia.)
TRY SAYIN' MY RELIGION DON'T EXIST AGAIN!
Your tradition is not of the Wica.

Wicca is an initionary, orthopraxic, fertility, witch cult.


No, it is not Wicca. It is mostly Wiccan beliefs, but with certain Celtic ones thrown in there. But that doesn't change the fact that it exists. You denied the fact that it exists, and your only bringing up that it's not Wicca so you can win an argument you lost with that post.
It's not even Wiccan beliefs nor is it Celtic. The Celts or at least the Gaelic are a closed off culture.

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Wicca is:

an Orthopraxic, Oathbound, Initiatory, Mystery-based, Experiential, Coven-based, Fertility-focused, Dithesitic Witch-cult whose members are all Clergy within a Lineaged Tradition.

A mouthful, if there every was one! Let's break it down farther into individual components.

Orthopraxic:
There are two kinds of religion.

One is orthodoxic - meaning 'correct belief'. If you believe the right things, you qualify as a member of that faith.

The second is orthopraxic - literally, this is 'right practice'. If you know the right way to do things within that faith, and you do them, you're a member of that faith.

Wicca is Orthopraxic. What allows a person to qualify as Wiccan is knowing the correct practices: how to use the tools, hw to properly cast and consecrate a circle, how to invoke Deity, etc. If you change any of this orthopraxy far enough from its' core, then it ceases to be Wicca.

Only initiated Wiccans will know this proper practice, because....

Oathbound:
...Wicca is oathbound.

What this means is every person who has become a Wiccan, in the proper way, has sworn an oath never to reveal the orthopraxy of Wicca unless that other person is 'a proper person, properly prepared.' This means, in essence, that a coven will only teach the orthopraxy to those who have been 'properly prepared', ie. have become an initiate, and have sworn the very same oath.

This oath is fearsome. It is not undertaken lightly, and those who break it are cast out and reviled, for good reason. Because of this, even people who choose to leave Wicca, are still expected to uphold this oath.

The oath also means you may not publish Wiccan practices in books, or other media, where it would be viewed by non-initiates.
No book at the bookstore, no website online, has ever had a single scrap of actual Wiccan material.

What you generally see are generic pagan teachings, with a vague Wiccan flavour - we call it 'outer court'. Outer-court teachings vary from coven to coven, but they're the basic info taught to a Seeker as a foundation to learn Wicca on after initiation. It isn't and shouldn't be considered Wicca in and of itself - but it is still useful.

Why do people publish things in the name of Wicca, when it isn't? Simple: money. People want Wicca, so they give them what they want. 9 times out of 10 those people are in no position to realize they've been misinformed or misled.

Initiation, Mystery-based, and Experiential:
We'll tackle these three together.

Initiation is VERY important in Wicca. Without this event - without experiencing this ritual - you'll never fully understand Wicca, even if you were to somehow gain access to Wiccan material without being an initiate. Without initiation, you have no access to the Mysteries.

Mystery-based paths have existed for thousands of years. A Mystery is just an experience that changes your perception and understanding of events and objects and energies - and there are plenty out there that are easily available to everyone. A Mystery is always the same event: what varies is how an individual experiences them. Even experiencing a sunset will be a different Mystery every time, depending on environmental conditions, season, location, and the person themselves.

Some Mysteries, however, are shaped and built around specific events, to build a consistent framework for the experience - historically, the Eleunesian Mysteries come to mind. The Wiccan Mysteries are the same way. The ritual, done properly, by people qualified to perform it, builds this framework. Each initiate will have a slightly different experience - but the Mysteries themselves are the same, inside that framework. Obviously, if you change the framework, you will access Mysteries, but they will not be the Wiccan Mysteries.

Without experiecing the Wiccan Mysteries properly, you will always lack the proper context to understand the orthopraxy of Wicca. It's why you can't be a Wiccan alone, you can't teach yourself, and you can't learn it from a book or online. Without that initiatory experience of the proper Mysteries, you're lacking a key that will allow you to unlock the meaning and understanding of the rituals practiced by Wiccans.

Initiation is always practiced cross-gender. A woman is initiated by a man, and a man by a woman. If you run across someone who says they were initiated by someone of the same sex as them, it was not a valid Wiccan initiation.

Coven-based:
One can't be a Wiccan alone. Aside from the fact that one can't self-initiate...

The rites of Wicca, recorded in the Book of Shadows each coven keeps a hand-copied version of, basically define what Wicca is. These rites were never meant to be practiced alone. They're based on having a full coven of initiates to perform properly.

Solitary Wiccans really don't exist. You can have initiated Wiccans who are unable to practice with their covens: they moved, they're away, they got sick, etc. But what they do on their own is neo-pagan witchcraft, heavily flavoured by Wicca, performed by a Wiccan - it's not proper Wiccan practice.

And finding an actual, lineaged coven (we'll talk about lineage later) can be a lot of work - travel, time, money, energy. And those sacrifices to attend a group are expected. It's considered normal. People who complain about not finding a coven in their area so they can learn properly, are typically looked at with some disdain, especially by those Wiccans who travel considerable lengths to their own covens.

Fertility-focused:

Wicca is a fertility cult. It's not a Nature cult, or an 'earth-based' path. We don't worship Nature. We honour fertility! Fertility is one specific aspect of Nature; so while we may see and appreciate fertility reflected in the cycles of Nature.

And naturally, fertility means sex. It's very difficult to have one without the other. Wicca does contain sexual context, and activity, within its' rites. Many people assume that means actual intercourse, but there are many levels of sexual activity - and indeed, a non-Wiccan would probably miss some of the sexual nature that Wiccan ritual contains (even in an outer-court situation), because it can be incredibly subtle, or easily overlooked if you're lacking the contextual knowledge initiates have.

Wicca is not a good faith for anyone who has issues being openly sexual with other people. Wicca's sexual basis is also why Wicca does not initiate minors - and in fact refuses to even start teaching the basics to a person until they are 18. This is not open to interpretation or debate: it is a part of the laws of the Wica, which are known as the Ardanes.

Ditheistic:

Wiccans believe in a pair of deities, a God and a Goddess. Wicca is, contrary to many depictions, a hard polytheistic religion. Wiccans believe that their gods are distinct and individual - not facets or aspects of an overarching, singular God or Goddess. Their actual names are oathbound. They are not archetypes, though - they are a specific God and Goddess. The terms 'Lord' and 'Lady' are simply honorifics - used to refer to the Gods of the Wica around non-initiates without breaking ones' oaths, not to indicate that they are soft-polytheistic in Nature.

The Wiccan gods do not mind if a Wiccan has existing relationships with deities from pantheons outside the faith. But one cannot use whatever pantheon they like in the place of the Lord and Lady - it alters the orthopraxy too much. So things like "Celtic Wicca", or "Norse Wicca", or "Egyptian Wicca"...just aren't Wicca at all.

Witch-cult:

All Wiccans are also witches. Nothing too scary in that. 'Cult' simply means religion, in this instance.

Clergy:

All Wiccans are initiated priesthood of the Lord and Lady. There is no exception to this. Once you are an initiate, you are their priest or priestess. It is a HUGE, life-long commitment, and an event that completely changes you. Becoming an initiate doesn't make you part of the 'cool kids', or some sort of clique. It's not a mark of status, or some kind of diploma - being a Wiccan initiate is a full-time job. It turns your life upside for a while. It creates a lot of extra work and responsibilities for you - The Gods will have their own needs, but so will the people around you. You get those late night calls from coveners whose lives are coming apart and need advise, or help, or a listening ear. You're there when someone dies, and people need help. You're there to teach new Seekers, and guide them into the path.

Frankly, a teenager isn't ready for this level of committment or change. Frequently folks in their twenties aren't either. You need to have a stable life, under your own authority, and being responsible for your own self. This is on all levels - mental, physical, and emotional. The changes initiation brings will rock the foundation of a person's life - and if that life is already in change, or flux, then it's disastrous.

Finally...

Lineaged Tradition

Wicca was founded by a man by the name of Gerald Gardner, somewhere between the late 1930's and the mid 1940's. Gardner was an initiate of a coven in an older, extant witch-cult - the New Forest Coven. He wished to preserve aspects of this witch-cult, and mixed in parts and practices from other faiths as he saw fit. and created what we call Wicca. Gardner himself was the first to use the word 'Wicca', although there are similar words from older languages.

Thus was born the Gardnerian Tradition of Wicca - the very first tradition of Wicca, and one that is still going strong today.

Other traditions were born out of this first one, each defined by its' own particular quirks or flavour, and yet also defined by the fact that they retained the orthopraxy of the Wiccan faith in their practice, and that their initiatory lineage links them back to Gardner.

That being said, there aren't as many traditions in existence as there claims to be. Legitimate forms of Wicca are: Gardnerian, Alexandrian, Mohsian, Central Valley, Silver Crescent, Kingstone, Daoine Coire, Assembly of Wicca, and Majestic. Some Blue Star and Georgian covens may have lineage as well, but it depends on the priesthood and elders of each individual lines of initiates. This group of traditions is collectively known as British Traditional Wicca, and they are the only legitimately Wiccan traditions. Traditions outside this grouping may not maintain the full orthopraxy of Wicca.

Initiatory Lineage is very important. It is how Wiccans are able to determine if someone is legitimately a Wiccan, or not. Remember back when I was talking about cross-gendered initiation (man to woman, woman to man)? If a person was initiated by the same sex, or they cannot trace their lineage to Gardner-

Example: Lord Y was initiated by Lady X. Lady X was initated by Lord V. Lord V was initiated by Lady T. Lady T was initiated by Gerald Gardner

- then a person cannot legitimately claim to be Wiccan, and any person they initiate likewise cannot claim to be Wiccan. It's really that simple. It's not a blood lineage, either - you do not have to be related to Gardner by blood, and the idea of families passing on Wiccan initiation amongst its' members violates the Ardanes, the laws of Wicca.

Some people complain, as I mentioned before, that it's difficult to find lineaged groups - that they have no choice but to learn from books or online or people who aren't initiates. It's true. It can be a real search - for the simple reason that Wicca is not for everyone. It isn't interested in numbers, or reaching everyone; there are built-in quality controls.

Wicca's membership are specifically called by the Gods of Wicca to be priesthood - a role not every person interested in Wicca is qualified for. Those who are legitimately called end up finding a coven and becoming initiates, no matter the cost or effort. There are plenty of other paths available under the pagan umbrella that will better suit the people who don't. Unfortuntely Wicca is popular, and better known than other pagan religions, and people become fixated on it and nothing else...which leads to many of the problems I've already mentioned.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:52 pm


your trying to win another argument I didn't bring up. You said it didn't exist. I said you were wrong. I proved it. You brought something I said in proving it and started a completely different argument that I don't want to argue about. So quit trying to stack arguments on your "I WIN" pile of trophies.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:54 pm


Broken_Penguin_Man
your trying to win another argument I didn't bring up. You said it didn't exist. I said you were wrong. I proved it. You brought something I said in proving it and started a completely different argument that I don't want to argue about. So quit trying to stack arguments on your "I WIN" pile of trophies.
Im proving how Celtic Wicca isn't even Wicca. :3

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:14 pm


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No, it is not Wicca. It is mostly Wiccan beliefs, but with certain Celtic ones thrown in there. But that doesn't change the fact that it exists. You denied the fact that it exists, and your only bringing up that it's not Wicca so you can win an argument you lost with that post.

I already said that it isn't Wicca... It just has some of the Wiccan beliefs in it, and also has Celtic. Are you happy now?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:51 pm


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No, it is not Wicca. It is mostly Wiccan beliefs, but with certain Celtic ones thrown in there. But that doesn't change the fact that it exists. You denied the fact that it exists, and your only bringing up that it's not Wicca so you can win an argument you lost with that post.

I already said that it isn't Wicca... It just has some of the Wiccan beliefs in it, and also has Celtic. Are you happy now?


No. Because Wicca doesn't have beliefs. It has practices. What you're doing isn't Wicca. There is no "Celtic Wicca". There is what you do, but that is not Wicca, and there's a fair bet it is not "Celtic" as "Celtic Romanticism"? not actually all that Celtic. Many Celts actually find it offensive.

What beliefs do you hold that are Celtic? What Celtic culture are they from?

Quote:
Celtic Wiccans worship some of the gods of the Celtic pantheon; however, this worship is within a Wiccan structure, not a Celtic one. (Got that on wikipedia.)
TRY SAYIN' MY RELIGION DON'T EXIST AGAIN!


I didn't say your religion didn't exist. I said there was no such thing as Celtic Wicca. And there isn't. Because what you are doing, which is theoretically a valid religion, is not Wicca. And if it's based on Celtic Romanticism, it's not all that Celtic either.

There is no one Celtic Pantheon. There are many Celtic Pantheons in the same way that there are many Celtic cultures. There is occasional overlap as I understand it, but they are still distinct pantheons. And as it happens, simply worshipping deities of a Celtic pantheon doesn't make your practice "Celtic". How do you manage to plug Celtic cultural ideas such as Land, Sea, and Sky into the Classical four-element system used in Wicca-flavoured ritual form?

Wiccan structure is not available outside of Wicca. You have admitted that your religion is not Wicca (and yet continue to claim the title, for some reason), therefore, surely you must admit you have no access to the structure of Wicca?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:02 am


MissDemeter

I don't care how many gods. Monotheistic, pantheistic, it's all fine with me. I would want to do some magical practising, along with rituals. And I guess I would want both simple and complex rituals. Simple, sort of everyday rituals and then more complex ones when something is really important. As for myths? I've always LOVED Greek mythology. Also, I obviously love the Greek god Demeter. And I'm not sure what a palaeo-pagan culture is.

Thanks for all of your help so far, please help me a bit further?


"Palaeo-Pagan" means "old Pagan" and refers to pre-Christian Pagan practices, generally of Europe. Contrast "Neo-Pagan".

You actually might find Hellenismos interesting. It's a reconstruction of ancient Greek religion. Particularly, there are groups who are attempting to piece together things like the Eleusinian Mysteries, which will be of interest to you because of Demeter's role. Some Hellenics don't approve of magical practice as they consider it impious, but on the other hand, there is evidence that some ancient Greek people performed curses. (They found one in a well or something that said "May your p***s hurt when you make love". Awesome eh? xd )

At any rate, I think it was Nuri who recommended this author for Hellenic Recon, and this website was a big help to me. There's also The Theoi Project, which is what makes Greek recons the envy of Pagans everywhere wink
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