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But see, again. Whether these bands fall under the Metal category or not is a personal opinion. & in my opinion, as well as many other peoples' opinions, false. Personally, I think that if we have to have genres (I think genres as a whole are harmless, its when you get to knit-picking the sub-genres that things get dangerous. Its like trying to talk about politics or religion.) Nu-Metal shouldn't be one.

I just think that it unfair that we, the fans of these bands that you call "nu-metal", can't openly discuss bands we enjoy & think are metal in a supposed metal guild, because a certain number of people hold the opinion that they aren't metal... even though they sound alot like a few other bands that these same people do consider metal.

Again...Nu-Salt...tastes like salt, looks like salt, smells like salt...but it isn't salt.

Right, because Nu-Metal is not metal. It is a mislabled genre by the media. :/

It's no opinion. Genres are not opinion, and they never have been.

damn you guys are really wrapped up in this idea of what bands are considered "metal" nowadays arent you? almost makes me scared of starting a band considering how emotional the first page of this thread is. It almost seems like suicide to have a band self-proclaim what genre of music they are considering how harsh you guys are being. anyway, my opinion, defining what metal is seems just impossiable nowadays, theres so many sub-genres and criticism of what it is that it just becomes this messy pile of blurry pointless arguementative crap. hardcore, nu-metal(its not metal despite having the word metal in there? at least according to you guys), screamo, neoclassical, death metal, black metal, power metal, glam metal, thrash metal, ect ect the list goes on. its like theres a metal for everything. yet for some reason very few self proclaimed "metal" bands seem to fit in any of these genres. i say ******** it, just enjoy the music for what it is, mosh if its heavy, headbang if its hard stop giving a rats a** about what genre a band is and just listen to it if you like it.

Ky Calibur

If you can't define metal, you are in the wrong guild.

Go to hell. Have a nice day, and please don't come to me with your childish insults. I don't give a rat's behind.

Woman, haha Nu-Salt is not salt. Obviously...you do not read a whole conversation before you comment on it. Since you chose not to...let me fill you in...Nu-Salt is for people who can't eat salt. It has all the same qualities of salt...except for the trait of being harmful to a persons' health. Please, read the conversation before you comment on it. Thanks 3nodding

Ky, please refer to the Nu-Metal thread. I've made it crystal clear why Nu-Metal is not metal. I assure you I am not an "a*****e kid" making things up. This comes from facts passed on either by word of mouth and through forums and certain websites, because no other forms of media know their face from their a** when it comes to music. This should become apparent when one sees someone on T.V. comparing Slipknot to Black Sabbath. It has nothing to do with opinion. Genres are pure 100% fact which are determined by key characteristics depending on the sub-genre or genre. Many of the genres you listed are non existant. See the Metal Recomendation thread for a complete list of known genres and bands which fall under them. The key characteristics of Nu-Metal include, but are not limited to: Heavy repitition, hip-hop influence, and angst lyrics. Nu-Metal contains the word 'metal' simply because of the mass media and their throwing the word around. It was labled "Nu-Metal" because Nu means not in Latin. Hence the name Nu-Salt of the salt-substitute intended for those who cannot consume high levels of sodium. To back up Kitti's analogy, it is not salt, although it is simular because the chemical composition is different than that of actual salt. Hence, it is not salt, just as Nu-Metal is not metal. Do you see the Metaphor? If not, it is quite simple. Nu-Metal is Alternative Rock with heavy Metal influences such as heavy dissortion, harsh vocals, and dark themes. However, it is not metal because it lacks complexity in instrumentals. Contrary to popular belief, metal is not determined by how "herdcurr" a band is. It is determined almost completely by complexity in intrumentals which normally includes guitar solos. There is a huge difference between the two, as you now know. The Genre was named that because of so many getting it confused with actual metal. Genres exsist to keep music seperate and orderly. After all, you wouldn't want to turn on a rock station and hear country, would you?

I really hate having to explain it in detail all the time to people. v.v; This is why we have the Nu-Metal thread. In fact, I'm going to put this post in there. :3

But I hope this answers the questions of those who were confused about this.

jesus. well my friend listened to real heavy metal bands then started listening to slipknot and said they were the greatest metal band ever. So you just cant tell. I finally got him to realize they are nu-metal.