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 Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:20 pm
Knatalie9 Laid_black_rose Knatalie9 Ok. Well. I am going to say this out, and please do not attack me. First off, my very best friend in the world is gay. I love him alot. That being said, I do believe homosexuality is a sin, and I do not think God makes people gay. We all have struggles, and I do not believe in condemning people for them, it is not my place. I guess the main thing is, is that homosexuality tends to be a sin out in the open. Most of us hide our sin, but if it were out in the open, people would probably be just as attack-prone, if that is the correct word choice. I view any sin struggle as the same, love the sinner, not the sin. I may not agree with it, but I will love you the same. As God will. I'm going to agree with you 100% on that. one of my closest friends in the entire world is a bisexual. He's a Christian and he loves God very much. I do believe that homosexuality is a sin, and my friend believes that too, he's scared actully. I've had to talk him through a lot of situations. I agree fully with you. We all have sins and struggles that we dont speak out loud. Condeming people for their sins is just wrong, we have our own. Even Jesus explains when we have one finger pointing at someone else, 4 more fingers are pointing back at us. Everyone struggles with sin, homosexuality is just more outspoken. I dont believe its right for people to bash them and critisize them, that gets us nowhere. We should love them, tell them God loves them. Be there for them. When we bash them all we're doing is causes them to want to run further away from God and christians. I agree with this as well. I think generally, Christians are so focused on criticizing others and proving their point right that they forget to look at their self and their own sin life. I sin. I sin often. And I seek God's grace OFTEN. Because we all need it. But I think if we focus more on loving eachother, and guiding eachother in love, it becomes more about Jesus, and less about technicalities. haha, and once again, i fully agree. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:57 pm
Danii California 1. It is not a sin, and I have proof ( proof) 2. Homosexuality is not a choice. You are born gay, you do not choose to be gay. ( proof and more proof) 3. Sins are choices. One cannot be born with a perpetual sin under the fact that God is Just. If homosexuality is not a choice, then God would not let them be born instantly condemned to never being able to stop sinning. The only sin one is born with is the sin of being human: Original sin. And that is washed away in Christ. 4. Is gay marriage a sin? I doubt it. Gay marriage is an expression oftwo gay people's love for each other, and love is definatly not a sin. Why would God have issues with two people marrying out of love? Being a homosexual in itself is not a sin and it is not a choice, you are correct! It is the ACT of homoxexuality (a.k.a. sex) that is the sin. That is a choice part. True, homosexuality is not how God intended things to be but he did not intend for there to be depression, schitsophrenia, or mental retardation. These are causes of sin but God doesn't love these people any less than everyone else.
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:04 pm
Ryan Russell I find it funny that people stretch everything the bible says to meet their bias-even Paul condemned homosexuality and told believers not to asscociate with the sexually immoral. Just to be clear here, Paul is not God. God nor Jesus ever condemned anything other than the act of homosexually and they never told people not to associate with sinners. We are all sinners and the Bible says that all sins are equal in God's eyes. So you cheating on your test or telling a white lie to your mom is the equvalent of gay sex in God's eyes. Plus, just want to point out that sexually immoral is not just gay people because I know people get that confused a lot of the time.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:08 am
@ZZ: We've already spent all our righteous anger at him in other threads. Yours was only one post, and hopefully we've cleared up the fact that you just need to word things a little better. Just as Ryan needs to.
@ the thread at large: I think we've just gone back to repeating ourselves. Is there any real discussion going on, or is it just time to lock and archive this thread as well?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:56 pm
probably a good idea to lock the thread.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:55 pm
ryuu_chan @ZZ: We've already spent all our righteous anger at him in other threads. Yours was only one post, and hopefully we've cleared up the fact that you just need to word things a little better. Just as Ryan needs to. Needs to word things better? Ryan said he would rather kill someone then let him be gay. That is not a matter of poor wording, it is a horrid sentiment. It is also a statement which should be condemned, as murdering someone for (supposedly) sinning is atrocious. I am a just a bit confused as to why nobody else thought it was worth pointing out murder is never okay. I always expected statements supporting murder to receive fairly strong criticism, not just comments about there being "little love" in them. ryuu_chan @ the thread at large: I think we've just gone back to repeating ourselves. Is there any real discussion going on, or is it just time to lock and archive this thread as well? There is no actual discussion going on, so it should be locked.
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High-functioning Businesswoman
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:01 pm
I think we're all just a little worn out from debating things. sweatdrop But I said nothing because, one, I felt everyone else had said it better, and two, I felt I would probably do more harm than good to say anything. But you're right- his entire sentiment is inappropriate. But it's much easier to ask him to change his wording to something a little less strong than to require he change his entire thinking, since the latter is not likely to happen.
-locks the thread- (if anyone still has any issues about what has been said in here, in any way, a new thread may be started, or a crew member PMed)
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