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 Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:13 pm
Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms. But it IS in your hands! It's up to the people to fight for what's right. Internet censorship isn't right.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:15 pm
The Betman Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms. But it IS in your hands! It's up to the people to fight for what's right. Internet censorship isn't right. How are you going to fight it? It's not up for a public vote. If it was, I'm sure it would get slaughtered. I've done the only thing anyone else here can do and signed a petition.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:19 pm
Decavolty The Betman Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms. But it IS in your hands! It's up to the people to fight for what's right. Internet censorship isn't right. How are you going to fight it? It's not up for a public vote. If it was, I'm sure it would get slaughtered. I've done the only thing anyone else here can do and signed a petition. Yeah, that's about all I did too. But still. I don't want to be passive about this.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:41 pm
Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms.  Isn't the point of a representative to, you know, represent the people?
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:50 pm
Wantcookie Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms. Isn't the point of a representative to, you know, represent the people? Then the most we can hope for is our representatives send it to the Supreme Court who would ultimately (hopefully) rule it unconstitutional, which it is. There's no doubt about that in my mind. I'm not disagreeing with any of you, I'm just stating that there is very little I (or any of us) can do. More pressing matters at work, sadly.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:24 pm
Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty Wantcookie Decavolty And then absolutely none of that affected me. I love being a passive straight male sometimes. And then I still didn't care enough. It's not in my hands to decide, or I would be more up in arms. Isn't the point of a representative to, you know, represent the people? Then the most we can hope for is our representatives send it to the Supreme Court who would ultimately (hopefully) rule it unconstitutional, which it is. There's no doubt about that in my mind. I'm not disagreeing with any of you, I'm just stating that there is very little I (or any of us) can do. More pressing matters at work, sadly. That's not what I mean. xd What people should do is make it known that there is a massive opposition to this. Every call made to a senator, every signature on a petition, every individual that says "no" matters because there's power in numbers. It's just a shame that there are people who feel like they can sit back and let someone else take care of it. Granted, they're right to a certain extent, but it makes even more of a statement if those people helped out too. :/
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:28 pm
You guys know that there are millions of you that pay the taxes that keep just a few hundred of these people employed and making the decisions you don't like for you, right?
You guys know that if everyone against the decisions of the government stopped paying all these taxes at once, they wouldn't have the jail space or the finances necessary to punish absolutely everyone who revolted, right?
You guys know that if they found themselves in that position, they'd be on their knees begging the general public for ways they could make it up to them and come back into power, right?
You guys know that the only reason this has never happened is because everyone believes they are completely powerless and alone in their opposition of these decisions, right?
Okay, just making sure we're all aware that being complacent is how the world got to be the way it is now in the first place.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:38 pm
Cabron LaSwan You guys know that there are millions of you that pay the taxes that keep just a few hundred of these people employed and making the decisions you don't like for you, right?
You guys know that if everyone against the decisions of the government stopped paying all these taxes at once, they wouldn't have the jail space or the finances necessary to punish absolutely everyone who revolted, right?
You guys know that if they found themselves in that position, they'd be on their knees begging the general public for ways they could make it up to them and come back into power, right?
You guys know that the only reason this has never happened is because everyone believes they are completely powerless and alone in their opposition of these decisions, right?
Okay, just making sure we're all aware that being complacent is how the world got to be the way it is now in the first place. You know how hard it would be to organize that many people to just up and do this at once? You know the kind of mass chaos this would throw everything into? You know the only reason I wouldn't ever try this is because things are far less likely to get violent when you make gradual changes instead of an entire governmental upheaval? Yep. Complacency be damned, sure, but there's a certain amount of xenophobia that exists within the universal human consciousness. :/
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:38 pm
Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan You guys know that there are millions of you that pay the taxes that keep just a few hundred of these people employed and making the decisions you don't like for you, right?
You guys know that if everyone against the decisions of the government stopped paying all these taxes at once, they wouldn't have the jail space or the finances necessary to punish absolutely everyone who revolted, right?
You guys know that if they found themselves in that position, they'd be on their knees begging the general public for ways they could make it up to them and come back into power, right?
You guys know that the only reason this has never happened is because everyone believes they are completely powerless and alone in their opposition of these decisions, right?
Okay, just making sure we're all aware that being complacent is how the world got to be the way it is now in the first place. You know how hard it would be to organize that many people to just up and do this at once? You know the kind of mass chaos this would throw everything into? You know the only reason I wouldn't ever try this is because things are far less likely to get violent when you make gradual changes instead of an entire governmental upheaval? Yep. Complacency be damned, sure, but there's a certain amount of xenophobia that exists within the universal human consciousness. :/ I dunno, I don't think it would get as violent as people are afraid of. Where do you think we got that 'we need the government so we don't rip each other to shreds' idea, other than the media's portrayals of rebellion? The local Occupy Guelph movement (hell, the entire Occupy movement in general, which somehow managed to organize enough people to make an impact) is completely anarchist and the people there are coexisting peacefully and respectfully. It's actually one of the most laid-back, friendly atmospheres I've ever seen in my downtown area. It doesn't have to end in violence when a bunch of people decide to come together and say 'we want better for ourselves and we're not going to wait for some self-appointed higher social power to decide we deserve it.' I'd even go so far as to venture that the assumption that it will because humans are intristically is one of the fearful and reliant mindsets that keeps us willing to bend over and take this sort of thing up the a**.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:20 pm
Change without chaos? How utterly boring...
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:24 pm
Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan You guys know that there are millions of you that pay the taxes that keep just a few hundred of these people employed and making the decisions you don't like for you, right?
You guys know that if everyone against the decisions of the government stopped paying all these taxes at once, they wouldn't have the jail space or the finances necessary to punish absolutely everyone who revolted, right?
You guys know that if they found themselves in that position, they'd be on their knees begging the general public for ways they could make it up to them and come back into power, right?
You guys know that the only reason this has never happened is because everyone believes they are completely powerless and alone in their opposition of these decisions, right?
Okay, just making sure we're all aware that being complacent is how the world got to be the way it is now in the first place. You know how hard it would be to organize that many people to just up and do this at once? You know the kind of mass chaos this would throw everything into? You know the only reason I wouldn't ever try this is because things are far less likely to get violent when you make gradual changes instead of an entire governmental upheaval? Yep. Complacency be damned, sure, but there's a certain amount of xenophobia that exists within the universal human consciousness. :/ I dunno, I don't think it would get as violent as people are afraid of. Where do you think we got that 'we need the government so we don't rip each other to shreds' idea, other than the media's portrayals of rebellion? The local Occupy Guelph movement (hell, the entire Occupy movement in general, which somehow managed to organize enough people to make an impact) is completely anarchist and the people there are coexisting peacefully and respectfully. It's actually one of the most laid-back, friendly atmospheres I've ever seen in my downtown area. It doesn't have to end in violence when a bunch of people decide to come together and say 'we want better for ourselves and we're not going to wait for some self-appointed higher social power to decide we deserve it.' I'd even go so far as to venture that the assumption that it will because humans are intristically is one of the fearful and reliant mindsets that keeps us willing to bend over and take this sort of thing up the a**. I know, I'm just a big believer of "theory does not equal practice." And, you know, I see the Occupy Movement and all they're doing, but they're all good well-intentioned people. The only way a country this large could work as an anarchic whole would be as a full-on utopian society. Unfortunately, most people are selfish and prejudiced douchebags. :/ It's like...you know why Poison Ivy was always my favorite Batman Villain? It's because she wasn't intrinsically evil, she just wanted to live her life on her terms, whether or not that meant ******** over society.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:25 pm
The Betman Medeus The Betman Wantcookie You know what I like about America? We're founded on the concept of equality and freedom to all citize-- Goddamn it, guys.Well at least we have a healthy separation of church and sta-- Oh you.goddamnit goddamnit godDAMNIT why I cannot stand my country most days Why what? I just get frustrated at all of the ignorance. It's actually great that same sex couples are getting married in New York, but seeing possible internet censorship, one of our presidential candidates thinking that Intelligent Design is something that should be taught in schools? I can't stand that s**t. I just don't understand how people get to be so narrow minded, and forget that we're all human, no matter what race, religion, or sexual orientation. These things are all human rights, and people think that some others shouldn't have them. It bugs the ******** out of me. TL;DR People are ignorant and I hate it. Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh?
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:29 pm
Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan You guys know that there are millions of you that pay the taxes that keep just a few hundred of these people employed and making the decisions you don't like for you, right?
You guys know that if everyone against the decisions of the government stopped paying all these taxes at once, they wouldn't have the jail space or the finances necessary to punish absolutely everyone who revolted, right?
You guys know that if they found themselves in that position, they'd be on their knees begging the general public for ways they could make it up to them and come back into power, right?
You guys know that the only reason this has never happened is because everyone believes they are completely powerless and alone in their opposition of these decisions, right?
Okay, just making sure we're all aware that being complacent is how the world got to be the way it is now in the first place. You know how hard it would be to organize that many people to just up and do this at once? You know the kind of mass chaos this would throw everything into? You know the only reason I wouldn't ever try this is because things are far less likely to get violent when you make gradual changes instead of an entire governmental upheaval? Yep. Complacency be damned, sure, but there's a certain amount of xenophobia that exists within the universal human consciousness. :/ I dunno, I don't think it would get as violent as people are afraid of. Where do you think we got that 'we need the government so we don't rip each other to shreds' idea, other than the media's portrayals of rebellion? The local Occupy Guelph movement (hell, the entire Occupy movement in general, which somehow managed to organize enough people to make an impact) is completely anarchist and the people there are coexisting peacefully and respectfully. It's actually one of the most laid-back, friendly atmospheres I've ever seen in my downtown area. It doesn't have to end in violence when a bunch of people decide to come together and say 'we want better for ourselves and we're not going to wait for some self-appointed higher social power to decide we deserve it.' I'd even go so far as to venture that the assumption that it will because humans are intristically is one of the fearful and reliant mindsets that keeps us willing to bend over and take this sort of thing up the a**. I know, I'm just a big believer of "theory does not equal practice." And, you know, I see the Occupy Movement and all they're doing, but they're all good well-intentioned people. The only way a country this large could work as an anarchic whole would be as a full-on utopian society. Unfortunately, most people are selfish and prejudiced douchebags. :/ It's like...you know why Poison Ivy was always my favorite Batman Villain? It's because she wasn't intrinsically evil, she just wanted to live her life on her terms, whether or not that meant ******** over society. Do you know why these people come across as good well-intentioned people? Because the majority of them have been hurt by capitalism and the results of greed-based decisions by the government. They understand the necessity of working together to survive, be it on the streets, in off-the-grid micro-communities, or low-income neighborhoods. I think selfish and prejudiced people are only so because it's what their life has taught them - if you have the money to pay for the things you need in life, you don't need help to get them, and you probably don't appreciate other people as much as you would if you were raised in a genuine environment of give-and-take. They've been spoiled by their advantages and they might initially lash out if the things they took for granted were taken away from them, but I think a closed-minded, self-centered mentality is a learned behavior that can ultimately be unlearned to adapt to a changing society.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic. The point is that right now, money talks louder than any living thing. That's why this censorship bill exists, and that's why no amount of 'plz no i love my internets' emails will stop it. You can take action to put out a fire, or you can try to convince it that it's being unfair and hope it listens to reason and stops burning your house down.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:32 pm
Medeus The Betman Medeus The Betman Wantcookie You know what I like about America? We're founded on the concept of equality and freedom to all citize-- Goddamn it, guys.Well at least we have a healthy separation of church and sta-- Oh you.goddamnit goddamnit godDAMNIT why I cannot stand my country most days Why what? I just get frustrated at all of the ignorance. It's actually great that same sex couples are getting married in New York, but seeing possible internet censorship, one of our presidential candidates thinking that Intelligent Design is something that should be taught in schools? I can't stand that s**t. I just don't understand how people get to be so narrow minded, and forget that we're all human, no matter what race, religion, or sexual orientation. These things are all human rights, and people think that some others shouldn't have them. It bugs the ******** out of me. TL;DR People are ignorant and I hate it. Well...aren't you kinda being ignorant of ignorant people? How is ignorant to teach Intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ignorant to say that Intelligent Design is Not something that Humans believe in? Isn't it a little Narrow Minded to only teach one creation story in schools? Internet Censorship I can level with though, lol. But all the rest....I can't help but notice how narrow minded you are about what's right and wrong, eh? I wouldn't have a problem with them teaching intelligent design as a theory alongside evolution as long as they included every other theory that was ever thought up about the origin of the universe that has any believers whatsoever. In the end, it doesn't really matter how we got here as much as it matters what we're doing now that we're here, so it doesn't really matter what the kids decide to believe as long as it helps them to make decisions that make them happy. Hell, I think evolution is a boring way to have gotten here. I'd rather my kids thought they came from a stork or some s**t just so their life felt a little more special.
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:41 pm
The Betman It's actually great that same sex couples are getting married in New York Oh, uh, the reason I put the link there was because it shouldn't have to be something that needs to be legalized if we truly had a separation of church and state. Sure, it makes me happy, but really it just makes me roll my eyes in the long run. @LPS: I want to feel the same way about people, but given soem of the people I've met... confused Anyways, you're right. When it comes down to it, money really does talk. But in addition to the many groups funded on donations, we've got major corporations that are also in direct defiance to this bill, like Google. It's a good part of why the bill didn't make it through the three or four other times it tried to pass. The really stupid thing about it all, though, is that every time it's come back it's been more extreme, to the point where it now allows arrests for uploads of "copyrighted content" like Let's Plays and complete censorship of entire domains by the government. It's like they think the opposition is solely because the people want to be oppressed harder. xd
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