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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:11 am
So we got a new guy at work. Good worker, which is all I care about. He looks a little effeminate, so naturally the guys are all curious (behind his back of course)
J to Eric: Hey, we got this new guy in yesterday. He's a fruit.
Me: Really? That is how you introduce him? rofl
Later:
Jordan: We need some hot chicks in the backroom!
Me: Well...the guy we got is kinda effeminate. Close enough?
Jordan: No, I'm already kinda effeminate, what with the hair and all
Me: ...I suppose.
Later still:
Me: ...well, he's a good stacker! A really good stacker.
J: He's probably a clean freak at home!
Me: sweatdrop
tl;dr new guy, coworkers curious about him
Med: That sounds like a bait to me. Just saying.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:38 am
I frigging hate black nail polish.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:28 am
Medeus Why be offended? If you're right, than I'm the one with dirt smeared all over my face, and I don't appreciate you're not letting me know about it. You've just become the friend who isn't letting me in on something I don't know, and now I feel like you've got something to hide, which implies that you're scared of someone discovering the Truth. You're doing me a great disservice by keeping information to yourself, because obviously you know something I don't. For my sake, open up the conversation, and I'll appreciate you're revealing the dirt smear on my face. EDIT: I need you to prove me wrong. Prove me wrong so that I don't have to do this to either of us. Give me a reason to stop the conversation by continuing it. Allow yourself to think critically about what you believe so that I can find some value in it, and that way we can Both agree about the same thing, and then you'll have a friend who agrees with you, and I'll be able to back you up whenever you feel alone. I can't do that -in fact Nobody can do that- if you don't give them the chance. Let me be here for you. Because I'd be willing to sacrifice My truth if yours is more reasonable to follow; if it has more value than mine. You might not care about other truths, if you don't like them, but I want to make sure that I'm choosing the best possible option with the best possible outcome, and the only way I can do that is if I hear about it from somebody who knows. You know what you know, and you're the only one who does. I'm seeking that knowledge. Share it with me, please. I felt offended because your tone made me feel like you were trying to correct me; like I was in the wrong and needed to be corrected. I don't believe in one central standard of right and wrong, so I can't prove myself right or prove you wrong. What's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me. I believe that nothing is more important than that I feel good in every moment, and this conversation isn't making me feel good, so I'd rather be doing something that does. It's less based in fear and more in an interest of doing what I want and not doing what I don't want. I don't really care if I'm alone or misunderstood in that; I don't need anyone on my side as long as I'm happy.
But... why do you feel the need to follow a truth at all? That's what I want to know. Why can't you just do what makes you happy and not worry about what's going to happen later on, or who's judging you for it, or what's 'right' and 'wrong'? Why do you care about what other people think? Why do you care if you have a dirt smear on your face? Why do you care if people agree with you or not? Does it make you happy to fill your mind with these worries? If not, then who is really doing you the disservice here?
Anyway, if you want to know more about what I believe because you are looking for a truth that makes you happier than the one you have now, you could look up some Abraham Hicks videos on Youtube (here's a good starting point) and decide whether you agree with what they are saying or not; they are much better at articulating what I believe in than I am, and have a much deeper understanding of the more technical parts of the thoughts-to-reality process. Other than that, it's not my place to try and change your mind; it's your mind, not mine.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:00 pm
Cabron LaSwan Medeus Why be offended? If you're right, than I'm the one with dirt smeared all over my face, and I don't appreciate you're not letting me know about it. You've just become the friend who isn't letting me in on something I don't know, and now I feel like you've got something to hide, which implies that you're scared of someone discovering the Truth. You're doing me a great disservice by keeping information to yourself, because obviously you know something I don't. For my sake, open up the conversation, and I'll appreciate you're revealing the dirt smear on my face. EDIT: I need you to prove me wrong. Prove me wrong so that I don't have to do this to either of us. Give me a reason to stop the conversation by continuing it. Allow yourself to think critically about what you believe so that I can find some value in it, and that way we can Both agree about the same thing, and then you'll have a friend who agrees with you, and I'll be able to back you up whenever you feel alone. I can't do that -in fact Nobody can do that- if you don't give them the chance. Let me be here for you. Because I'd be willing to sacrifice My truth if yours is more reasonable to follow; if it has more value than mine. You might not care about other truths, if you don't like them, but I want to make sure that I'm choosing the best possible option with the best possible outcome, and the only way I can do that is if I hear about it from somebody who knows. You know what you know, and you're the only one who does. I'm seeking that knowledge. Share it with me, please. I felt offended because your tone made me feel like you were trying to correct me; like I was in the wrong and needed to be corrected. I don't believe in one central standard of right and wrong, so I can't prove myself right or prove you wrong. What's right for you is right for you, and what's right for me is right for me. I believe that nothing is more important than that I feel good in every moment, and this conversation isn't making me feel good, so I'd rather be doing something that does. It's less based in fear and more in an interest of doing what I want and not doing what I don't want. I don't really care if I'm alone or misunderstood in that; I don't need anyone on my side as long as I'm happy.
But... why do you feel the need to follow a truth at all? That's what I want to know. Why can't you just do what makes you happy and not worry about what's going to happen later on, or who's judging you for it, or what's 'right' and 'wrong'? Why do you care about what other people think? Why do you care if you have a dirt smear on your face? Why do you care if people agree with you or not? Does it make you happy to fill your mind with these worries? If not, then who is really doing you the disservice here?
Anyway, if you want to know more about what I believe because you are looking for a truth that makes you happier than the one you have now, you could look up some Abraham Hicks videos on Youtube (here's a good starting point) and decide whether you agree with what they are saying or not; they are much better at articulating what I believe in than I am, and have a much deeper understanding of the more technical parts of the thoughts-to-reality process. Other than that, it's not my place to try and change your mind; it's your mind, not mine. You're right, my tone was off, and I apologize for that. lol I thought you were more competitive, so I thought you would respond to that, but obviously I was wrong, and I'm sorry for it. I didn't mean to offend you like that. But if I had known that truth about you, I would've known how not to hurt you like that. In my ignorance, I did wrong by you. With Truth, I could've done you some right. I believe I still can too. I learned a long time ago that some of the things that make me happy are extremely hurtful; not just to myself, but everybody whom I used to make me happy. I felt selfish, walking around just trying to make myself happy, never caring about other people's happiness, or even sacrificing their happiness for my own. It didn't seem fair. I mean, I definitely told them that they should do their own thing, get what they want however they wanna get it, but that usually happened right after I blew them off to go do what I wanted to do....I just didn't like it. One specific, small example: I was sitting in a study-seminar in High School one time, talking with friends, and...I don't remember the context of the joke, but I said to my friend, "Urr mom is dead!" I felt like the biggest jack a** in the world right when he looked me in the eyes and said, "Yeah she is actually..." He was cool, he didn't hate me for it, but I had opened up a wound that I had no right to, all for the sake of a dumb joke that isn't even funny. If only I had known..... So I choose to fill my mind with doubts and worries about everything I believe in, because I affect other people. The ideas I have have consequences for those around me, and if I don't know the truth about those people, I go back to hurting them with ignorance. To understand the truth about them, I first must be able to understand the truth about myself, and that's never an easy thing to do, but I believe I'll end up stronger for it, and so will those people around me who let me learn the truth. I have to understand the truth about other people before I can fully understand myself, but only for the sake of not hurting others, like I've done numerous times before. If I have questions, will you answer them? I can watch all the youtube videos in the world, but they won't answer questions if I'm not sure about something, or need clarification on Gray areas.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:27 pm
Decavolty Med: That sounds like a bait to me. Just saying. Well I'm not laying a trap for anybody here, lol. But it is an invitation; I am trying to get you guys to have this discussion, so I guess you can call it what you want....but I'm actually not getting ready to bring down the 'hammer of justice' on anybody here lol, so there's nothing to be afraid of from my end. Unless you're afraid of discovering truth.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:59 pm
Medeus You're right, my tone was off, and I apologize for that. lol I thought you were more competitive, so I thought you would respond to that, but obviously I was wrong, and I'm sorry for it. I didn't mean to offend you like that. But if I had known that truth about you, I would've known how not to hurt you like that. In my ignorance, I did wrong by you. With Truth, I could've done you some right. I believe I still can too. I learned a long time ago that some of the things that make me happy are extremely hurtful; not just to myself, but everybody whom I used to make me happy. I felt selfish, walking around just trying to make myself happy, never caring about other people's happiness, or even sacrificing their happiness for my own. It didn't seem fair. I mean, I definitely told them that they should do their own thing, get what they want however they wanna get it, but that usually happened right after I blew them off to go do what I wanted to do....I just didn't like it. One specific, small example: I was sitting in a study-seminar in High School one time, talking with friends, and...I don't remember the context of the joke, but I said to my friend, "Urr mom is dead!" I felt like the biggest jack a** in the world right when he looked me in the eyes and said, "Yeah she is actually..." He was cool, he didn't hate me for it, but I had opened up a wound that I had no right to, all for the sake of a dumb joke that isn't even funny. If only I had known..... So I choose to fill my mind with doubts and worries about everything I believe in, because I affect other people. The ideas I have have consequences for those around me, and if I don't know the truth about those people, I go back to hurting them with ignorance. To understand the truth about them, I first must be able to understand the truth about myself, and that's never an easy thing to do, but I believe I'll end up stronger for it, and so will those people around me who let me learn the truth. I have to understand the truth about other people before I can fully understand myself, but only for the sake of not hurting others, like I've done numerous times before. If I have questions, will you answer them? I can watch all the youtube videos in the world, but they won't answer questions if I'm not sure about something, or need clarification on Gray areas. It's cool. You didn't hurt my feelings or anything - I don't let many things get to me anymore - it just wasn't something I wanted to keep dealing with.
But I totally know where you are coming from on that train of thought. I used to be the biggest b***h ever. Once I had this epiphany, I felt really bad about what I'd done and lived for others for a while, putting my own happiness aside. I've only recently found a good balance between uplifting myself and not bringing down others, and sometimes that does require me to be a little selfish. And there's nothing wrong with that; I mean, if you don't look out for you, who will? Why is somebody else's happiness more important than your own? And how does feeling guilty or worried about it do you or them any good? It can't undo what's already done, and this conversation has proven that it can't prevent every instance of unintentionally affecting the people around you. You can't make other people happy all the time because you don't know what makes them happy, and you can't avoid upsetting other people all the time because you don't know what upsets them. And that's not your fault. Letting it go is probably better for you, and sometimes what's better for you is all you can control.
I can try, but most of the vids they have on Youtube for him are already question-answer format. xd Unless you wanted me to elaborate on their terminology (which I'll admit can be confusing at times), I don't think I'd be able to help much.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:17 pm
Cabron LaSwan It's cool. You didn't hurt my feelings or anything - I don't let many things get to me anymore - it just wasn't something I wanted to keep dealing with.
But I totally know where you are coming from on that train of thought. I used to be the biggest b***h ever. Once I had this epiphany, I felt really bad about what I'd done and lived for others for a while, putting my own happiness aside. I've only recently found a good balance between uplifting myself and not bringing down others, and sometimes that does require me to be a little selfish. And there's nothing wrong with that; I mean, if you don't look out for you, who will? Why is somebody else's happiness more important than your own? And how does feeling guilty or worried about it do you or them any good? It can't undo what's already done, and this conversation has proven that it can't prevent every instance of unintentionally affecting the people around you. You can't make other people happy all the time because you don't know what makes them happy, and you can't avoid upsetting other people all the time because you don't know what upsets them. And that's not your fault. Letting it go is probably better for you, and sometimes what's better for you is all you can control.
I can try, but most of the vids they have on Youtube for him are already question-answer format. xd Unless you wanted me to elaborate on their terminology (which I'll admit can be confusing at times), I don't think I'd be able to help much. But sometimes it is my fault. In fact, most of the time it's my fault, and more than anything, I would be happiest knowing that all those things I've done wrong won't count against me in the future. I can control what I'm doing for other people, and making other people happy makes Me happy, it gives me life. Giving everything of myself to others gives me life, the same way the Heart has to give away Blood before it can pump out even more. As soon as I stop giving, or stop caring, no matter whether it's before or after the offense, I stop living. I stop being happy, because I know I could've done something to make the situation better. This conversation at the beginning went the way it did because I was trying to take, and both of us ended up with negative feelings about it for that reason. I was trying to take something from you that you weren't/aren't willing to give. And for that, once again, I apologize. And I know that sometimes people won't like the way I try to give Happiness, but wouldn't it be to my shame if I didn't try? At least if they don't accept my gifts, it's not because I didn't offer it. Whereas, if I never offer to give, they could say to me in the future, "Why didn't you try?" and I wouldn't have an answer. But you seem to be right. Life would be a lot easier for me if I stopped caring so much. In fact, if everyone stopped caring about other people so much, Life would probably be a whole lot Easier all the way around, eh? Well No, I mean I have a reason for wanting to know about Your beliefs. I wanna know what You believe and how it's changed Your life because I want to know more about You. Those videos won't tell me about You personally, and they won't really help me understand how/why that works for you. I'm interested in You. Not just your theology, but You as a person, which includes your theology. Which is why I want to hear it from You.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:27 pm
I am not pregnant!!! WOOOOOO!!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:29 pm
Medeus But sometimes it is my fault. In fact, most of the time it's my fault, and more than anything, I would be happiest knowing that all those things I've done wrong won't count against me in the future. I can control what I'm doing for other people, and making other people happy makes Me happy, it gives me life. Giving everything of myself to others gives me life, the same way the Heart has to give away Blood before it can pump out even more. As soon as I stop giving, or stop caring, no matter whether it's before or after the offense, I stop living. I stop being happy, because I know I could've done something to make the situation better. This conversation at the beginning went the way it did because I was trying to take, and both of us ended up with negative feelings about it for that reason. I was trying to take something from you that you weren't/aren't willing to give. And for that, once again, I apologize. And I know that sometimes people won't like the way I try to give Happiness, but wouldn't it be to my shame if I didn't try? At least if they don't accept my gifts, it's not because I didn't offer it. Whereas, if I never offer to give, they could say to me in the future, "Why didn't you try?" and I wouldn't have an answer. But you seem to be right. Life would be a lot easier for me if I stopped caring so much. In fact, if everyone stopped caring about other people so much, Life would probably be a whole lot Easier all the way around, eh? Well No, I mean I have a reason for wanting to know about Your beliefs. I wanna know what You believe and how it's changed Your life because I want to know more about You. Those videos won't tell me about You personally, and they won't really help me understand how/why that works for you. I'm interested in You. Not just your theology, but You as a person, which includes your theology. Which is why I want to hear it from You. Yeah, it feels good to give, but you can't force people to accept things they don't want. You can't force happiness on people and expect them to be happy about it. You have to wait for them to tell you what they want before you can give it to them, because you don't know what they want. You may think you know what they want, but you can't ever know for sure because you are not them. For me it's more of a matter of only giving when I am certain that what I have to offer will bring happiness to the other person.
Anyway, I have to run right now, so I can't finish typing out a reply to the rest of it. PM me, maybe? I find people are more honest when they don't feel like they're under scrutiny.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:41 pm
Cabron LaSwan Yeah, it feels good to give, but you can't force people to accept things they don't want. You can't force happiness on people and expect them to be happy about it. You have to wait for them to tell you what they want before you can give it to them, because you don't know what they want. You may think you know what they want, but you can't ever know for sure because you are not them. For me it's more of a matter of only giving when I am certain that what I have to offer will bring happiness to the other person.
Anyway, I have to run right now, so I can't finish typing out a reply to the rest of it. PM me, maybe? I find people are more honest when they don't feel like they're under scrutiny. PM sent. 3nodding Though I, for one, will be the same there as I am here.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:47 pm
Medeus Cabron LaSwan Yeah, it feels good to give, but you can't force people to accept things they don't want. You can't force happiness on people and expect them to be happy about it. You have to wait for them to tell you what they want before you can give it to them, because you don't know what they want. You may think you know what they want, but you can't ever know for sure because you are not them. For me it's more of a matter of only giving when I am certain that what I have to offer will bring happiness to the other person.
Anyway, I have to run right now, so I can't finish typing out a reply to the rest of it. PM me, maybe? I find people are more honest when they don't feel like they're under scrutiny. PM sent. 3nodding Though I, for one, will be the same there as I am here. That's what they all say.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:19 pm
Cabron LaSwan Medeus PM sent. 3nodding Though I, for one, will be the same there as I am here. That's what they all say. He's not lying, trust me. xd
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:19 pm
Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan Medeus PM sent. 3nodding Though I, for one, will be the same there as I am here. That's what they all say. He's not lying, trust me. xd
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:43 pm
So I want to do something semi-constructive.
But what?... =/
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:46 pm
Rhed King hmm, there is a lot here that interests me, so i'd like to jump in. 1. personally, i agree with this statement, we all have our own 'mental pictures' of whats going on. for instance, I live stress free (almost always), but if you were me, maybe you would be stressed about some of my problems. does that make my life more or less stressful than yours? Nope. There a single universe we all live in, i think so, things that happen really do happen, but we look at them differently. I really did have an 8 page thesis paper, but once we get down to opinions, that paper can be observed differently. It takes your whole life's experience to look at each 'thing' you are presented with, and to judge that accordingly. 2. I'm not going to argue god, or what it is, or anything like that. I will say though that you jump in assumptions SIGNIFICANTLY here. This does in no way mean we all know what love is. hell i think that's one of the easiest things to disprove available, look at all this divorce bro. If nothing else that should tell you that even if we are in gods image of love or what have you, that certainly a great deal of people aren't tapping into it, or understanding it, for whatever the reason. 3. how can you justify the actions of a bad person? simply enough they probably didnt think it was all that big a deal. is that twisted. in some cases definitely, in other cases, maybe not so much. Is that serial killer a nutjob? you bet. is that theif? depends. no one's argueing that there are different realities going down here, i think you're mixing fact with opinion in this case. I totally support the belief that you can make your life what you will. You dont need a god, or anyone but yourself to do that. but if 'yourself' really beleives in god, then your going to be able to back it up, and you're going to know it's the truth, because that's how you live. I've got my own religion going down for about two years now. I wish for one thing on the full moon, and I haven't been disappointed yet. That's the way i see it, and it's just as valid as a major religion, or the belief in nothing at all. sweatdrop sorry for jumping in on a conversation, but this was really interesting. ignore if you just want to continue on Well since LPS and I are at this in the PM's, I'm game to keep this going here. 1. There's a difference between being an observer of what you see, and being the one who put it there, isn't it? Anybody can look at the trees and the rivers and stars and have their opinion about it, but nobody here can claim they put them there. And everybody has to agree that they're looking at the same thing before they have different opinions about it, otherwise there's great mis-communication and nobody is even talking about the same thing. 2. I think it's pretty fair to say that if a couple divorces each other, than they never really had true love to begin with. On the other hand, look at all the couples who've been married for over 50 years, claiming to Love each other. Isn't it fair to look at them, look at what they do, and see that something must have kept them together for so long? And then after you recognize that there's a bond, isn't it fair to call that bond Love? When somebody does something nice for you, don't you like that? Don't you like it when somebody gets you an extra napkin, or buys you lunch, or thinks of something really creative to give you as a present, for no reason at all, other than the fact that they really like you, and really like hanging out with you? At that point, it isn't so much about the gift itself, but the reason the gift was presented in the first place. Obviously you would never call that attitude Hate, would you? Even in other cultures, where there are more rules and restrictive laws about who can talk to who, and processes they have to go through, there are ways to do things that have meaning to the ones they claim to Love. When someone shows you Love, you know it. You can tell when it's genuine, can't you? Or don't you trust your instincts? 3. So if somebody murdered your little sister, you would say to them, "Oh you probably just didn't think it was all that big a deal, no worries"? I mean, if they did that you'd probably just let them off the hook, because even though it only affected everybody in your household and everybody who knew her, they didn't really know what they were doing, so no biggie. That's what you're saying.
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