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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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 Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:30 am
Decavolty Carchar-odin Man, I hate it when you guys get into these types of conversations. I don't think about this s**t often. Drives me insane. Maybe you guys should. It can help just about everything to get to know yourself and where you stand in conversations like this. To me, these sort of things are incredibly interesting to talk about, but I think I'd rather simply listen for now.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:16 am
Wantcookie Decavolty Carchar-odin Man, I hate it when you guys get into these types of conversations. I don't think about this s**t often. Drives me insane. Maybe you guys should. It can help just about everything to get to know yourself and where you stand in conversations like this. To me, these sort of things are incredibly interesting to talk about, but I think I'd rather simply listen for now. I dunno, there's something to be said for not thinking about it as well. Who wants to waste their time speculating about the meaning of their life when they could be out dancing in the driveway?
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:41 am
Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Decavolty Carchar-odin Man, I hate it when you guys get into these types of conversations. I don't think about this s**t often. Drives me insane. Maybe you guys should. It can help just about everything to get to know yourself and where you stand in conversations like this. To me, these sort of things are incredibly interesting to talk about, but I think I'd rather simply listen for now. I dunno, there's something to be said for not thinking about it as well. Who wants to waste their time speculating about the meaning of their life when they could be out dancing in the driveway? I don't see why you can't do both. xd
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:15 am
Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Decavolty Carchar-odin Man, I hate it when you guys get into these types of conversations. I don't think about this s**t often. Drives me insane. Maybe you guys should. It can help just about everything to get to know yourself and where you stand in conversations like this. To me, these sort of things are incredibly interesting to talk about, but I think I'd rather simply listen for now. I dunno, there's something to be said for not thinking about it as well. Who wants to waste their time speculating about the meaning of their life when they could be out dancing in the driveway? I don't see why you can't do both. xd I s'pose. Thinking about it has caused me way more harm than good, though. I'd trade everything I've figured out about life for the ability to stop thinking about it in a heartbeat.
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Sharkbutt The Orgiastic Crew
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:24 am
Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Cabron LaSwan Wantcookie Decavolty Carchar-odin Man, I hate it when you guys get into these types of conversations. I don't think about this s**t often. Drives me insane. Maybe you guys should. It can help just about everything to get to know yourself and where you stand in conversations like this. To me, these sort of things are incredibly interesting to talk about, but I think I'd rather simply listen for now. I dunno, there's something to be said for not thinking about it as well. Who wants to waste their time speculating about the meaning of their life when they could be out dancing in the driveway? I don't see why you can't do both. xd I s'pose. Thinking about it has caused me way more harm than good, though. I'd trade everything I've figured out about life for the ability to stop thinking about it in a heartbeat. I'm naturally curious at heart, so the act of simply learning and understanding is one I enjoy above most other things. As such, I don't think I could really give what I've already learned up for anything, even if it would kill me in the end. Plus, I'm still in that state where I don't really know what I'm looking for in life, and I've only really begun to search recently. So I guess on a personal scale, I enjoy this sort of thing, but can put down "how should I live" in favor of "let's just live" when I need to.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:30 am
Don't get me wrong, Cookie. I love knowing what makes me tick, but I'd rather not go into a full blown discussion about it. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:09 pm
I don't care to know about why we are here, but I do obsess over where I am going and who will be there. I know what I want to do and how I plan to do it. Why are we here? I don't care. I know that I want to be with who I am for as long as he'll have me, and he feels the same way. We talk about the future and stuff. I only care about where I am going. We are here, let's make the most of it.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:19 pm
Cabron LaSwan Shiny Gligar You know, I have a horrible sense of right and wrong, but I can't belive in a moral gray line without the good and evil ends. I can see the gray; justification, bad deeds/'good' reason or good deeds/bad reason. But for gray, there must be white and black. Good deeds either because, why not I like it, and evil/bad because, why not I like it. That's actually kind of confusing me. tl;dr I see justification as a gray area on a moral scale. The middle so to speak. Just out of curiosity, why do you think you have a horrible sense of right and wrong?
And on that note, if 'why not I like it' is the motivation for both 'good' and 'bad' deeds, what is it that makes them 'good' or 'bad' in your opinion? I was gonna answer, but I get the feeling that the discussion is over. o 3o I'M THINKING THAT I REALLY WISH I DIDN'T EAT SO MUCH OF THAT PIZZA CAPS BECAUSE, WHY NOT I LIKE THEM Or should I say; Wynaut?
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problematic briefcase Crew
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:34 pm
Shiny Gligar Cabron LaSwan Shiny Gligar You know, I have a horrible sense of right and wrong, but I can't belive in a moral gray line without the good and evil ends. I can see the gray; justification, bad deeds/'good' reason or good deeds/bad reason. But for gray, there must be white and black. Good deeds either because, why not I like it, and evil/bad because, why not I like it. That's actually kind of confusing me. tl;dr I see justification as a gray area on a moral scale. The middle so to speak. Just out of curiosity, why do you think you have a horrible sense of right and wrong?
And on that note, if 'why not I like it' is the motivation for both 'good' and 'bad' deeds, what is it that makes them 'good' or 'bad' in your opinion? I was gonna answer, but I get the feeling that the discussion is over. o 3o I'M THINKING THAT I REALLY WISH I DIDN'T EAT SO MUCH OF THAT PIZZA CAPS BECAUSE, WHY NOT I LIKE THEM Or should I say; Wynaut? I sure hope it is. Though I'm still interested in knowing why you think that about your own morals.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:53 pm
Cabron LaSwan You and I have different understandings of the Bible; you think it's a literal account of things that actually happened, and I think it's a collection of subtext-heavy Aesop's fables. That doesn't make me ignorant of what's actually in it, I'm not arguing for or against it, and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude towards my opinions; it's why I often choose to end these conversations early.
I think you and I also have a different understanding of love and truth; my truth is that whatever you think will manifest itself in your reality, and my love is a feeling, not a thought. That pull in your stomach when you're excited, or exultant, or otherwise deeply positively moved; that is love. Going by these definitions, I see no contradictions; everyone loves to do things that are pleasurable to them, and therefore we all have a common understanding of what brings out the feeling we love -- we all know what feels good to us as individuals.
As for justification, while I think I have a decent understanding of it, I am actually not a supporter of it. At all. But let's have a look at those actions and see how justification played a role in them. I don't know what Hitler's motives were because I'm not Hitler, but I know he didn't kill those Jews alone; he convinced the German people that they were to blame for Germany's suffering. He justified the act of killing millions of people to a population that would otherwise have been adverse to it, because he found a way to suggest that these people deserved to be punished. (Also, you just invoked Godwin's law.) I'm not a rapist either, but rape is usually about power. I could speculate about the frustration about feeling powerless about their life and the need to feel like they're in control of something, but again, I can't see inside anyone's head but my own. (inb4 "rape is never justified"; I don't agree with rape either and I'm not trying to make excuses for it, but it's not like people just go "hey I think I'm going to rape somebody today, just for the hell of it.") As for the guy who cheats on his wife, let's not go there; I think the whole idea of monogamy is absurd, and that conversation is best saved for another day.
And one person can't change everyone because it's not their place to; everyone has the right to think and do what they want. That's why I believe we are here; to create our own realities and contrast them with the realities of others. You can't know happy without sad, nor light without dark, nor rich without poor. Trying to convert everything to one collective sameness would be robbing us of our right to choose. It's not fair for one person to get to choose what everyone gets; the best one person can do is choose what they get. Gaia would be awfully boring if everyone had the same avatar, just like life would be awfully boring if everyone did the same thing.
I am not interested in your challenges. As intrigued as I am by discussing different beliefs, I am not interested in being 'right' or trying to get you to 'submit' to my point. This is a conversation, not an intellectual war; neither of us have anything to 'lose' from discussing our differences. But as long as one of us is trying to 'win', I doubt we will have anything to gain from it either. Then let's discuss for the sake of discussion. Because if niether of us has anything to lose, than I'd like to say that you have everything to gain from at least hearing me out. I claim to have heard a truth, it would be shameful and wrong for me not to share it with you, wouldn't it? I don't want to be that friend who notices a discoloration in your teeth and lets you walk around looking like an idiot because you didn't know. If you can just pick it out, than you look all the better for it. If it's a health problem, than you now know it's not invisible and you might want to do something about it. I notice some discoloration in your theories. If I'm wrong and it's nothing serious, than niether of us has lost, but you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. Does that seem fair?
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:56 pm
I'm not ignoring you, but I think that if you're interested, you'll have a lot to gain from watching my conversation with LPS. After that's over, if you still have questions, I'll be down for more. 3nodding To Everyone I think you should Start using your brains. Your brain is a muscle, and if you never use it, how can you rely on it when you need it most? If you don't know what you think, how will you be able to trust your own mind? If you never take the time to strengthen that muscle, it will be weak, and there are people in the world who will turn your brain against you, and I think we can all agree that That's not something anybody wants for themselves, is it? Do you really want to doubt reality? When a man is murdered, people investigate what happened. People desire Truth because they realize that it could affect them. What if the murderer was your next door neighbor? What if you went out on a date with the murderer last week? What if that murderer was someone in your own Family? Instead of Doubting everything, learn the truth and Know. For the sake of your own safety, seek out the Truth, and it will only aid you. Even if it's hard, it's better to be safe than sorry.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:23 pm
Medeus Cabron LaSwan You and I have different understandings of the Bible; you think it's a literal account of things that actually happened, and I think it's a collection of subtext-heavy Aesop's fables. That doesn't make me ignorant of what's actually in it, I'm not arguing for or against it, and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude towards my opinions; it's why I often choose to end these conversations early.
I think you and I also have a different understanding of love and truth; my truth is that whatever you think will manifest itself in your reality, and my love is a feeling, not a thought. That pull in your stomach when you're excited, or exultant, or otherwise deeply positively moved; that is love. Going by these definitions, I see no contradictions; everyone loves to do things that are pleasurable to them, and therefore we all have a common understanding of what brings out the feeling we love -- we all know what feels good to us as individuals.
As for justification, while I think I have a decent understanding of it, I am actually not a supporter of it. At all. But let's have a look at those actions and see how justification played a role in them. I don't know what Hitler's motives were because I'm not Hitler, but I know he didn't kill those Jews alone; he convinced the German people that they were to blame for Germany's suffering. He justified the act of killing millions of people to a population that would otherwise have been adverse to it, because he found a way to suggest that these people deserved to be punished. (Also, you just invoked Godwin's law.) I'm not a rapist either, but rape is usually about power. I could speculate about the frustration about feeling powerless about their life and the need to feel like they're in control of something, but again, I can't see inside anyone's head but my own. (inb4 "rape is never justified"; I don't agree with rape either and I'm not trying to make excuses for it, but it's not like people just go "hey I think I'm going to rape somebody today, just for the hell of it.") As for the guy who cheats on his wife, let's not go there; I think the whole idea of monogamy is absurd, and that conversation is best saved for another day.
And one person can't change everyone because it's not their place to; everyone has the right to think and do what they want. That's why I believe we are here; to create our own realities and contrast them with the realities of others. You can't know happy without sad, nor light without dark, nor rich without poor. Trying to convert everything to one collective sameness would be robbing us of our right to choose. It's not fair for one person to get to choose what everyone gets; the best one person can do is choose what they get. Gaia would be awfully boring if everyone had the same avatar, just like life would be awfully boring if everyone did the same thing.
I am not interested in your challenges. As intrigued as I am by discussing different beliefs, I am not interested in being 'right' or trying to get you to 'submit' to my point. This is a conversation, not an intellectual war; neither of us have anything to 'lose' from discussing our differences. But as long as one of us is trying to 'win', I doubt we will have anything to gain from it either. Then let's discuss for the sake of discussion. Because if niether of us has anything to lose, than I'd like to say that you have everything to gain from at least hearing me out. I claim to have heard a truth, it would be shameful and wrong for me not to share it with you, wouldn't it? I don't want to be that friend who notices a discoloration in your teeth and lets you walk around looking like an idiot because you didn't know. If you can just pick it out, than you look all the better for it. If it's a health problem, than you now know it's not invisible and you might want to do something about it. I notice some discoloration in your theories. If I'm wrong and it's nothing serious, than niether of us has lost, but you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. Does that seem fair? I'm actually kind of offended that you're comparing my opinions to something stuck in my teeth and very put off by your tone, so I think it's better if we just stop having these conversations. I'm confident in my beliefs, and I don't really care if they don't line up with anyone else's, and I honestly have more satisfying things to do with my time than continue this conversation.
If you want to hear that you're right, then here you go: you're right. But what's right for you isn't necessarily right for me in this case, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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problematic briefcase Crew
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:51 pm
Cabron LaSwan Shiny Gligar Cabron LaSwan Shiny Gligar You know, I have a horrible sense of right and wrong, but I can't belive in a moral gray line without the good and evil ends. I can see the gray; justification, bad deeds/'good' reason or good deeds/bad reason. But for gray, there must be white and black. Good deeds either because, why not I like it, and evil/bad because, why not I like it. That's actually kind of confusing me. tl;dr I see justification as a gray area on a moral scale. The middle so to speak. Just out of curiosity, why do you think you have a horrible sense of right and wrong?
And on that note, if 'why not I like it' is the motivation for both 'good' and 'bad' deeds, what is it that makes them 'good' or 'bad' in your opinion? I was gonna answer, but I get the feeling that the discussion is over. o 3o I'M THINKING THAT I REALLY WISH I DIDN'T EAT SO MUCH OF THAT PIZZA CAPS BECAUSE, WHY NOT I LIKE THEM Or should I say; Wynaut? I sure hope it is. Though I'm still interested in knowing why you think that about your own morals. Hmm, no, still not comfortable with answering that. I actually had an answer for your second question, but I'm on my Wii and I just have an interest in sociology, not a degree. It was my opinion, based and not based on things I've been educated in. tl;dr lolWii, no comment to question 1, and any answer for 2 will be me blowing it out of my a**, pretty much. :u
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:49 pm
>finish health tap
>feel almost high
feeeeeeels goooood maaaaaaaan.
feeeeeeeels reeeeeeeeeally gooooooooooood maaaaaaaaan.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:38 pm
Cabron LaSwan Medeus Cabron LaSwan You and I have different understandings of the Bible; you think it's a literal account of things that actually happened, and I think it's a collection of subtext-heavy Aesop's fables. That doesn't make me ignorant of what's actually in it, I'm not arguing for or against it, and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude towards my opinions; it's why I often choose to end these conversations early.
I think you and I also have a different understanding of love and truth; my truth is that whatever you think will manifest itself in your reality, and my love is a feeling, not a thought. That pull in your stomach when you're excited, or exultant, or otherwise deeply positively moved; that is love. Going by these definitions, I see no contradictions; everyone loves to do things that are pleasurable to them, and therefore we all have a common understanding of what brings out the feeling we love -- we all know what feels good to us as individuals.
As for justification, while I think I have a decent understanding of it, I am actually not a supporter of it. At all. But let's have a look at those actions and see how justification played a role in them. I don't know what Hitler's motives were because I'm not Hitler, but I know he didn't kill those Jews alone; he convinced the German people that they were to blame for Germany's suffering. He justified the act of killing millions of people to a population that would otherwise have been adverse to it, because he found a way to suggest that these people deserved to be punished. (Also, you just invoked Godwin's law.) I'm not a rapist either, but rape is usually about power. I could speculate about the frustration about feeling powerless about their life and the need to feel like they're in control of something, but again, I can't see inside anyone's head but my own. (inb4 "rape is never justified"; I don't agree with rape either and I'm not trying to make excuses for it, but it's not like people just go "hey I think I'm going to rape somebody today, just for the hell of it.") As for the guy who cheats on his wife, let's not go there; I think the whole idea of monogamy is absurd, and that conversation is best saved for another day.
And one person can't change everyone because it's not their place to; everyone has the right to think and do what they want. That's why I believe we are here; to create our own realities and contrast them with the realities of others. You can't know happy without sad, nor light without dark, nor rich without poor. Trying to convert everything to one collective sameness would be robbing us of our right to choose. It's not fair for one person to get to choose what everyone gets; the best one person can do is choose what they get. Gaia would be awfully boring if everyone had the same avatar, just like life would be awfully boring if everyone did the same thing.
I am not interested in your challenges. As intrigued as I am by discussing different beliefs, I am not interested in being 'right' or trying to get you to 'submit' to my point. This is a conversation, not an intellectual war; neither of us have anything to 'lose' from discussing our differences. But as long as one of us is trying to 'win', I doubt we will have anything to gain from it either. Then let's discuss for the sake of discussion. Because if niether of us has anything to lose, than I'd like to say that you have everything to gain from at least hearing me out. I claim to have heard a truth, it would be shameful and wrong for me not to share it with you, wouldn't it? I don't want to be that friend who notices a discoloration in your teeth and lets you walk around looking like an idiot because you didn't know. If you can just pick it out, than you look all the better for it. If it's a health problem, than you now know it's not invisible and you might want to do something about it. I notice some discoloration in your theories. If I'm wrong and it's nothing serious, than niether of us has lost, but you have everything to gain, and nothing to lose. Does that seem fair? I'm actually kind of offended that you're comparing my opinions to something stuck in my teeth and very put off by your tone, so I think it's better if we just stop having these conversations. I'm confident in my beliefs, and I don't really care if they don't line up with anyone else's, and I honestly have more satisfying things to do with my time than continue this conversation.
If you want to hear that you're right, then here you go: you're right. But what's right for you isn't necessarily right for me in this case, so let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Why be offended? If you're right, than I'm the one with dirt smeared all over my face, and I don't appreciate you're not letting me know about it. You've just become the friend who isn't letting me in on something I don't know, and now I feel like you've got something to hide, which implies that you're scared of someone discovering the Truth. You're doing me a great disservice by keeping information to yourself, because obviously you know something I don't. For my sake, open up the conversation, and I'll appreciate you're revealing the dirt smear on my face. EDIT: I need you to prove me wrong. Prove me wrong so that I don't have to do this to either of us. Give me a reason to stop the conversation by continuing it. Allow yourself to think critically about what you believe so that I can find some value in it, and that way we can Both agree about the same thing, and then you'll have a friend who agrees with you, and I'll be able to back you up whenever you feel alone. I can't do that -in fact Nobody can do that- if you don't give them the chance. Let me be here for you. Because I'd be willing to sacrifice My truth if yours is more reasonable to follow; if it has more value than mine. You might not care about other truths, if you don't like them, but I want to make sure that I'm choosing the best possible option with the best possible outcome, and the only way I can do that is if I hear about it from somebody who knows. You know what you know, and you're the only one who does. I'm seeking that knowledge. Share it with me, please.
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