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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:35 am
Cow Demon @Jettrick: The Doctor didn't DIE. You can't revive dead people with CPR. He had mearly lost conciousness from the fact that he had just lost a lot of his blood in a short space of time. The Doctor's very good at playing dead. The classic series has confirmed this many times. Anyway, I loved it. The beginning was a bit slow and weird, but it was great once the Doctor started doing his spazzy stuff. RUFFLE HAIR SQUEEE!!! barefoot ON THE MOON!!! And Martha was great. I was afraid of her character, so many horror stoires rushing through my head, but she's perfect so far. Okay, so the plot of this wasn't perfect, but it was fun. I loved how they spent so much money on the Judoon, but then the monster was a straw. A straw! That's classis low-budget DW wonderfulness. Oh, and is anyone else getting a hitch-hiker vibe off this series? First that mention in the trailer, now the abducted building, and there's an episode called 42... or maybe I'm just reading in things too much... SQUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:49 am
Cow Demon @Jettrick: The Doctor didn't DIE. You can't revive dead people with CPR. He had mearly lost conciousness from the fact that he had just lost a lot of his blood in a short space of time. I disagree. If he had merely lost consciousness then what would be the function of performing emergency CPR? Unconsciousness is a whole different ballpark to stopping breathing entirely. The doctor lost the ability to provide his own body with the necessary functions for survival ie: he ceased being able to live and was thus technically 'dead'. Given the form past doctors have shown this is exactly the point at which his own emergency procedure of regeneration should kick in. I'm not so much annoyed at the actual act of Martha administering the kiss of life to the doctor (hackneyed though it was) as I am disappointed in RTD once again failing to acknowledge the mythos of a character he claims to love. Also, for triggerhappy justicewhores the Judoon were suddenly quite indifferent to Martha STEALING OFFICIAL LAW-ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT from one of their kind to conveniantly expose the alien in their midst. Somehow the idea of a Judoon letting anyone, let alone a suspicious human, touch their cosmic markerpens doesn't seem to ring true of the characters portrayed throughout the rest of the episode. But eh, I guess realism would have got in the way of the plot too much.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:58 am
I love his little radiation dance. xd
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:47 pm
Cow Demon @Jettrick: The Doctor didn't DIE. You can't revive dead people with CPR. He had mearly lost conciousness from the fact that he had just lost a lot of his blood in a short space of time. Just a medical point here. But you can revive "dead" people with CPR. You only initiate full CPR when it's been determined that the victim is not breathing and has no heartbeat. The success of CPR is dependent on many factors but you can definitely can revive a clinically dead person (no breathing and no heartbeat even as proved with heart monitoring) with CPR. Did it many times in hospital. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:07 pm
Perhaps, since it was possible for him to be revived, he wasn't dead enough to automatically regenerate. Doesn't he usually just regenerate intentionally once he realizes he's dying? So if he's unconscious, maybe he doesn't regenerate until he's completely dead. After all, the regeneration from Seven to Eight, he was dead for rather a long time before he regenerated.
I think I won't keep talking about this. Too depressing. Well, okay, a bit more of my two cents. Perhaps he's somehow able to delay regenerating. So, Seven becoming Eight, he used that because if he'd gone and regenerated right in front of everyone... it would have been an even bigger fiasco than it was already. And in this episode, he knew that since he was in a hospital, they could probably revive him, and anyway he figured that if Martha had seen him before, he'd probably have to stay the way he was so he could go back in time and, you know, just kinda throw his tie at her! So he knew he would be revived...
Hey, that actually cheered me up! He was probably going around the whole episode, once he'd developed a vague idea of why Martha had asked if he had a brother, knowing that whatever happened, he'd be okay. Sort of cheapens him nearly sacrificing himself, just a bit, but that was still terribly brave anyway.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:35 pm
Dial-up is so frustrating at times like this!! gonk
I've been working on watching the YouTube posts all afternoon & I'm still on the 3rd part!! scream
I like what I've seen so far though.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:49 am
Ah Jettrick. You with your wonderfully familiar griping. ^^ You, as usual, have valid points. But still, overall I liked it. The melodrama is amusing to me.
I am SO glad there wasn't much emo-ness. Just that bit at the end, and even then, hardly at all. I do want to see him eventually have to come to terms with Rose being gone forever in front of the camera (something obviously happened to make him happier in between this episode and the Christmas special, but that's for the fanfics) but that can wait till good ol' Captain Jack comes back. biggrin
I like Martha. I never thought I wouldn't like her. She's cool. Her family amuses me to no end. xd
And I'm already almost unable to wait for the next episode. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:51 am
I like Martha so far. At first I thought I would instantly hate her but I was pleasantly surprised.
There is only one thing that bothers me...
the look on Martha's face at the end of the episode when she said she was interested only in humans... I think she has a crush on him already. I don't think she meant it at all. In fact I bet it turns into more. sweatdrop
Other then that I find the whole episode to be wonderful... even the "genetic transfer" was not as bothersome as I thought.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:54 am
Saniariya I like Martha so far. At first I thought I would instantly hate her but I was pleasantly surprised. There is only one thing that bothers me... the look on Martha's face at the end of the episode when she said she was interested only in humans... I think she has a crush on him already. I don't think she meant it at all. In fact I bet it turns into more. sweatdrop Actually, if you watching the accompanying Doctor Who Confidential: They mention that there's going to be this underlying theme of unrequited love. In other words, Martha does fancy the Doctor, but the Doctor just isn't interested (yet).
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:56 am
@ Hairy: because Russel T. Davies is a prat. He shouldn't write episodes. Love, blarg. Best left to the girls.
NO LOVE IN DOCTOR WHO!
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:38 am
Jettrick RTD should probably hand over the reins of breaking in the new season after this rather lacklustre offering. It's gotta be hard to keep thinking of stuff to hook the new viewers with and the strain's starting to show, apparently, as this was by far the weakest opener of the new series so far. It's sad when the only thing you can really enjoy about an episode is the title. Oh, and the upwards rain I guess. That was pretty nifty ;D Otherwise this was pretty much Doctor Who by-the-numbers with any number of old ideas being trotted out to perform their party piece for the crowd. Intergalactic threat disguised as a harmless member of society? Check. Aliens zap the mouthy human? Check. Humans overreact to said aliens because of their closed minds and intolerant natures (unless you're names Martha or Rose, granted)? Check, check and checkaroo. There was even the obligatory earthquake and exploding lab scene. I guess if I have gripes with this episode, and I do, they could probably be summarised in this handy list of faults I've decided to draft: -Neat aliens that were ruined by not being given anything exciting to do in the script. -Inapropriate RTD omnisexual wittering in the dialogue (kids, ask your parents what a leather fetish is! ;D) -The WORLD is SAVED by UNPLUGGING the DOOMSDAY device. Watch this doctor, he's a smart one >.> -The doctor dying and then completely failing to regenerate as his species is prone to. Funny that. -Rampant kissery and otherwise needless melodramatic tat. (He carries the unconscious body of Martha through the hospital in his arms, why?) -Interminable corridor-running type shenanigans the likes of which crop up far too frequently when Russ' is captaining the good ship TARDIS. In other news, Jetty's back. Deal with it. See, no offence Jettrick but you seem to hate every single episode of the new series. God knows why you still like the show considering how many times you've said that the episodes are crap. And for the record, every other new season opening has been crap appart from this one. However I do agree with rthat piece about the kissing and carrying Martha threough the hospital, it was just plain unnessecary.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:51 pm
Takuha See, no offence Jettrick but you seem to hate every single episode of the new series. God knows why you still like the show considering how many times you've said that the episodes are crap. And for the record, every other new season opening has been crap appart from this one. However I do agree with rthat piece about the kissing and carrying Martha threough the hospital, it was just plain unnessecary. Well, he's entitled to his opinion (and he does point out a couple valid plot nitpicks). Also, I seem to remember Jettrick being one of the few supporters (sort of) of Love & Monsters, a story which most everyone else seemed to dislike (or like less than the rest of series 2, at any rate). So, it's not like he hates everything about the new series.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:55 pm
Hairy Priest Takuha See, no offence Jettrick but you seem to hate every single episode of the new series. God knows why you still like the show considering how many times you've said that the episodes are crap. And for the record, every other new season opening has been crap appart from this one. However I do agree with rthat piece about the kissing and carrying Martha threough the hospital, it was just plain unnessecary. Well, he's entitled to his opinion (and he does point out a couple valid plot nitpicks). Also, I seem to remember Jettrick being one of the few supporters (sort of) of Love & Monsters, a story which most everyone else seemed to dislike (or like less than the rest of series 2, at any rate). So, it's not like he hates everything about the new series. Love and monsters doesn't count as an episode, far as i'm concerned, so Jettrick does hate everything about the new series xp
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:56 pm
Thank god for YouTube.
And Martha's actually not annoying. It's actually looking like she's going to be more useful than Rose in some aspects, she certainly knows what she's doing.
But I still can't forgive RTD for that 'genetic transfer'.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:58 pm
I loved it!
Got a bit puzzled about him taking his tie off at the start of the episode, and got a bit worried when the Plasmavore got him, but overall WELCOME BACK, DOCTOR! And welcome Martha. May you have as much fun in the TARDIS as Rose did.
Favourite quote has to be:
Martha: What did you do?
Doctor: Increased the radiation by 5000%. Killed him dead.
Martha: But won't that kill you?!
Doctor: Nah, it's only Roentgen radiation. We used to play with Roentgen bricks in nursery.
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