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 Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 5:57 pm
t0paz rockmanx Graceangel yeah... i guess we have to expect some misrepresentation of bibilical information when used by people who aren't christians or really know the word of God at all.. however, I'd like to point towards FF7. one of my favorite games.. and there are A LOT of references to christianity.. half of the weapon names, finishing move names, etc were names like that. i mean.. aeris's final limit break was called the great gospel.. and when used called down the angels from heaven. an interesting thing tho.. they did do something that a lot of people don't realize as planting faith in it. not sure if anyone realizes this ... but when you do the little scavenger hunt with the papers to get the numbers to comb on the safe in the shinra mansion... there is a paper in teh house with clues to get the numbers of each part.. and there are 4 numbers you need to open the safe.. but when you look at the note in the game, there are only three lines... so then, what is faith? the substance of things hoped for..and evidence of things nto seen. so, you hoped for one more clue.. but you don't see another one. but if you went down to where it would be and clicked anyways.. there it was... that to me tells me whoever designed that little thing knew a thing or two about how faith works...
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:26 am
actually, i think xenosaga is a continuation of some game from the ps1 called xenogears... might want to check that out... i didn't know that about xenosaga tho. i might check that out.
as for throwing things away... when i was in high school. i went to a private christian school and to graduate you had to attend this seminar that coems to town once a year. it's ran by a man named Bill Gothard, and he teaches as seminar called principles for living. He takes all the bible and breaks everything down to make it applicatble for everyday living. I did enjoy a lot of it; and he had lots of interesting stories to tell. Popular ones were with parents or youth leaders gathering various cultic type items... and throwing them away or burning them.
one story he told was a girl who all of a sudden stopped eating. her parents couldn't figure out why.. then they went back to when the time came she started with it. turns out she had gotten a cabbage patch doll.. and they researched the doll's name. turned out to be the name of an indian god of malnutrition or starvation or something like that. they got rid of the doll; and their child came back to herself again. In another story he told, all the youth leaders of some church organizations got all the dungeon and dragons stuff and all the ouja boards from their youth groups neighborhoods.. met at a big part and put them in one fo those giant meta barrel garbage cans.... and burned them.. they said the colors of the flames changed sometimes and they could hear cries and screams come out from the flames.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:55 pm
rockmanx t0paz Did you miss the part where I said I trashed them? If I said I had to get rid of the things because of spirits why would I want to pass them and the spirits on to someone else?
Don't take this the wrong way but you make it sound like just because you're a child of God and know the word that nothing bad can ever happen to you. If you seriously think that than it's just scary. If you don't have any encounters with Satan or demons how do you expect to grow? How can you know how to completely conquer demons if you never tangle with them? Everything I say about spirits you think it could never happen to you. As much as I pray it'd seem like I'd never have any issues like that but God nor Satan has any respect of persons. As a matter of fact it seems like Satan tries to mess more with people that think they have it all together just to show them that they don't.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:56 pm
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:25 pm
rockmanx t0paz I've noticed that too. All of the religious parodies I mean. It's like people can't find a more interesting subject to play with. Although how much more interesting and conversation worthy can you get than religion? Easter is silly, but at least most of us do look at the holiday for the right reason.
I was suprised to learn that ring around the Rosey was about th bubonic plague. Most of our nursery rhymes and fairytales are about not so nice things that they've turned kid-friendly. I believe even the "Little Mermaid" was somewhat of a horror story.
Going back to the nursey rhymes, my dad and I think "Mary had a Little Lamb" is about Jesus. Take time to think about the words.
Now if you realy want to get people stured up, tell them the ET was based off of Jesus. If any of you ever watched the movie, you can see how ET life was simular to Jesus.
Mary had a Little Lamb"....that's interesting. I saw ET alot when I was little. From what I remember I don't think it seemed like Jesus, but I'd have to watch it again. If that wasn't the movie's intent I don't think it's weird to say it's that way. That's just like taking an R&B song and saying it secretly sounds like a song about God. I have a friend that used to does that and I think he's kinda strange..
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:50 pm
Graceangel actually, i think xenosaga is a continuation of some game from the ps1 called xenogears... might want to check that out... i didn't know that about xenosaga tho. i might check that out. as for throwing things away... when i was in high school. i went to a private christian school and to graduate you had to attend this seminar that coems to town once a year. it's ran by a man named Bill Gothard, and he teaches as seminar called principles for living. He takes all the bible and breaks everything down to make it applicatble for everyday living. I did enjoy a lot of it; and he had lots of interesting stories to tell. Popular ones were with parents or youth leaders gathering various cultic type items... and throwing them away or burning them. one story he told was a girl who all of a sudden stopped eating. her parents couldn't figure out why.. then they went back to when the time came she started with it. turns out she had gotten a cabbage patch doll.. and they researched the doll's name. turned out to be the name of an indian god of malnutrition or starvation or something like that. they got rid of the doll; and their child came back to herself again. In another story he told, all the youth leaders of some church organizations got all the dungeon and dragons stuff and all the ouja boards from their youth groups neighborhoods.. met at a big part and put them in one fo those giant meta barrel garbage cans.... and burned them.. they said the colors of the flames changed sometimes and they could hear cries and screams come out from the flames.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 11:21 pm
None of this is set in stone, however you look at it. Yes, it is true that the common tactic that christians use is to seperate what they see as malevolent spirits from what they see as beneficial ones, but what happens when they go to hell? They aren't going to stay there. I know I wouldn't. The truth is, these actions are reoccuring because we as the protectors of the earth fail to step up to the role. As huans, we are given the power to control much of what we see, because it is all a part of god. By setting forth boundries in the name of god, we can effectivly take ground instead of continually givin it. I am a firm believer in something that few christians seem to consider. It is that a human can take something that has been previously abandoned by the church, something labled sinful or the tools of demons, and, by setting boundries on them in the name of our lord, and by setting boundries on ourselves similarly, can reclaim them for god. While I agree that many things are truly sins, I think that man has also embellished against things that god gave us for a reason.
As an example, we take lust. It's a common human emotion, a base instinct amoung mankind and all beasts under god, and a key factor in the survival of any race, let alone mankind. However, almost every branch of the church has denounced it as a whole, calling it sinful and unjust. However, by abandoning it, we have given the serpent a free medium to tempt us into true sins. Things like homosexuality, adultery, rape, all of these are forms of sin created from lust. They are what happens when you leave such things for Satan.
The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:22 am
RyoSW None of this is set in stone, however you look at it. Yes, it is true that the common tactic that christians use is to seperate what they see as malevolent spirits from what they see as beneficial ones, but what happens when they go to hell? They aren't going to stay there. I know I wouldn't. The truth is, these actions are reoccuring because we as the protectors of the earth fail to step up to the role. As huans, we are given the power to control much of what we see, because it is all a part of god. By setting forth boundries in the name of god, we can effectivly take ground instead of continually givin it. I am a firm believer in something that few christians seem to consider. It is that a human can take something that has been previously abandoned by the church, something labled sinful or the tools of demons, and, by setting boundries on them in the name of our lord, and by setting boundries on ourselves similarly, can reclaim them for god. While I agree that many things are truly sins, I think that man has also embellished against things that god gave us for a reason. As an example, we take lust. It's a common human emotion, a base instinct amoung mankind and all beasts under god, and a key factor in the survival of any race, let alone mankind. However, almost every branch of the church has denounced it as a whole, calling it sinful and unjust. However, by abandoning it, we have given the serpent a free medium to tempt us into true sins. Things like homosexuality, adultery, rape, all of these are forms of sin created from lust. They are what happens when you leave such things for Satan. The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged. amen
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:43 pm
RyoSW None of this is set in stone, however you look at it. Yes, it is true that the common tactic that christians use is to seperate what they see as malevolent spirits from what they see as beneficial ones, but what happens when they go to hell? They aren't going to stay there. I know I wouldn't. The truth is, these actions are reoccuring because we as the protectors of the earth fail to step up to the role. As huans, we are given the power to control much of what we see, because it is all a part of god. By setting forth boundries in the name of god, we can effectivly take ground instead of continually givin it. I am a firm believer in something that few christians seem to consider. It is that a human can take something that has been previously abandoned by the church, something labled sinful or the tools of demons, and, by setting boundries on them in the name of our lord, and by setting boundries on ourselves similarly, can reclaim them for god. While I agree that many things are truly sins, I think that man has also embellished against things that god gave us for a reason. As an example, we take lust. It's a common human emotion, a base instinct amoung mankind and all beasts under god, and a key factor in the survival of any race, let alone mankind. However, almost every branch of the church has denounced it as a whole, calling it sinful and unjust. However, by abandoning it, we have given the serpent a free medium to tempt us into true sins. Things like homosexuality, adultery, rape, all of these are forms of sin created from lust. They are what happens when you leave such things for Satan. The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged.
For example, a husband desiring his wife is not lust. If he desires another man's wife, that is lust.
I hope that made sense... sweatdrop
Anyways, as the thread was originally talking about figurines and such inviting in demons... Here's what I would say. If you think that those things are going to take your mind off of God, then it's probably a good idea to get rid of them.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:45 pm
Hmm, I wasn't aware that was the definition. Like you guessed, I always thought it was desire. However, that the case, I guess I'll have to agree with you on that. And I also agree with the second part, because none of my post matters if it will take your mind of God. Toss it and be done.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:29 pm
RyoSW The moral: Don't abandon things just because they CAN be harmful. Only get rid of things if they cause problems, or discomfort. It's equally stupid to try and tough things out that should be purged. I agree with this sentiment. Too many people are soo quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater as it were. I mean.. they are so like... "OMG! THE WATER IS CONTAMINATED!!!! gonk ninja you know what we need to do now right?" they all conspire "that baby is contaminated too! get rid of it!!!! evil " Ok. well, this is slightly exaggerated and dramatized a bit.. but... it is done so to make a point. To me... it's like in the medieval ages. Do you know that probably at least 20% of people killed during the eurpeon "witch hunts" where entire villages were burned to the ground... women, children, and all... were probably not had anything to do with witchcraft.. but people being so paranoid... all someone had to do was start whisperin about someone into it.. and if too many people were inferring of others doing it.. they'd declare the entire community a commune of witches and burn it. I mean. yeah. witchcraft is an abomination... however, it's not right to make innocent people die and suffer for the sake of purging that evil either.
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:34 pm
RyoSW Hmm, I wasn't aware that was the definition. Like you guessed, I always thought it was desire. However, that the case, I guess I'll have to agree with you on that. And I also agree with the second part, because none of my post matters if it will take your mind of God. Toss it and be done.
So I guess I kind of misinterpretted it. Sorry bout that...
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:56 pm
ElDestructo Actually, I may have jumped the gun. The Merriam Webster dictionary I have only refers to sexual lust... but the word lust itself HAS been used to refer to lust for riches, blood lust, etc... So it's more like an extreme case of desire...
So I guess I kind of misinterpretted it. Sorry bout that... I believe close word comparisons to the earlier uses of the word lust would be envy and coveting... they are similar emotions... I think lust, desire, adn passion all come from the same root emotion in humans.. but, take desire as a seed... and depending hwo it grows can either bloom towards something great with passion... or it can grow up corrupted and gross into lust..
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:33 am
Graceangel I believe close word comparisons to the earlier uses of the word lust would be envy and coveting... they are similar emotions... I think lust, desire, adn passion all come from the same root emotion in humans.. but, take desire as a seed... and depending hwo it grows can either bloom towards something great with passion... or it can grow up corrupted and gross into lust.. nicely put.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:33 pm
t0paz rockmanx t0paz I've noticed that too. All of the religious parodies I mean. It's like people can't find a more interesting subject to play with. Although how much more interesting and conversation worthy can you get than religion? Easter is silly, but at least most of us do look at the holiday for the right reason.
I was suprised to learn that ring around the Rosey was about th bubonic plague. Most of our nursery rhymes and fairytales are about not so nice things that they've turned kid-friendly. I believe even the "Little Mermaid" was somewhat of a horror story.
Going back to the nursey rhymes, my dad and I think "Mary had a Little Lamb" is about Jesus. Take time to think about the words.
Now if you realy want to get people stured up, tell them the ET was based off of Jesus. If any of you ever watched the movie, you can see how ET life was simular to Jesus.
Mary had a Little Lamb"....that's interesting. I saw ET alot when I was little. From what I remember I don't think it seemed like Jesus, but I'd have to watch it again. If that wasn't the movie's intent I don't think it's weird to say it's that way. That's just like taking an R&B song and saying it secretly sounds like a song about God. I have a friend that used to does that and I think he's kinda strange..
Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
As amatter of fact, her is what God says about people who do ritual that He has not ordain in His house worshiping Him.
Ezekiel 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.
As for ET. He was left hear by His father. He be friended the children. He did a miricle. The adults where scared of him. He died and rose agian. Then he went home back in the sky. That is a simple verson of the story.
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