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gigacannon
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:44 am


Life ends at death by definition.

We imagine that time passes, and that our consciousness remains the only constant. Many people assume that upon death, the consciousness continues in another form. But this is totally incorrect. Time does not pass. At any one instant, we are aware of the past through our memory, and we use our memory to predict the future. Thoughts are always 'happening' in our brain, but they are not happening to anything. They are just there. When we die, the brain dies, all our memories are lost, and we cease to exist as a person.

When a baby is born, they have no memories and no skills. They gradually learn skills and accumelate memory. They may, by accident, have the same personality as a person who has died beforehand. But their personality will change... and they still share none of the memories or exact skills of the person whose personality is similar.

In other words, the idea of resurrection is utterly ridiculous.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:09 pm


redem
Assuming that by the word soul you are referring to something metaphysical, some sort of undetectable energy that contains you personality and/or memories, that lives on after you die. I have one main objection to believing in a soul.

The personality and memories can be altered by chemicals, or brain trauma. This says to me that there is nothing to us that is not physical. If a car crash can alter personality, what will lying in the dirt being eaten by worms do for it?


OK first of all
Soul= an immortal part of a human not the flesh or memories .. just a certain energy that can be changed
Spirit = the vehicle of that energy .. the way to connect to it and change it or move it how ever you wish ..
also that energy is totally detectable.. if you know what to look for. People have energy signatures .. magnetic just like gravity it is always there but usually ignored.

The personality and memories are of course changed.. that is a purely psychological/physical thing. The so-called metaphysical such as ghosts and spirit travel and out of body experiences are people connecting to their own changeable energy. So when we die our energy remains causing these "metaphysical" experiences like apparitions and things like that.

Cassandra_Bloodmoon


Cassandra_Bloodmoon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:14 pm


on the subject of immortality ... it is possible but with extreme limitations
IF we are a piece of time fabric in space .. and the universe is infinite .. when we die our fabric is used up .. but being infinite it would have to recycle itself into something new .. it makes sense to me sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:24 am


SlaveToMetal
redem
Assuming that by the word soul you are referring to something metaphysical, some sort of undetectable energy that contains you personality and/or memories, that lives on after you die. I have one main objection to believing in a soul.

The personality and memories can be altered by chemicals, or brain trauma. This says to me that there is nothing to us that is not physical. If a car crash can alter personality, what will lying in the dirt being eaten by worms do for it?


OK first of all
Soul= an immortal part of a human not the flesh or memories .. just a certain energy that can be changed
Spirit = the vehicle of that energy .. the way to connect to it and change it or move it how ever you wish ..
also that energy is totally detectable.. if you know what to look for. People have energy signatures .. magnetic just like gravity it is always there but usually ignored.

The personality and memories are of course changed.. that is a purely psychological/physical thing. The so-called metaphysical such as ghosts and spirit travel and out of body experiences are people connecting to their own changeable energy. So when we die our energy remains causing these "metaphysical" experiences like apparitions and things like that.


Did you ever consider that your definitions of the words 'soul' and 'spirit' may differ from the definitions of the majority of people? The purpose of a word is to convey meaning. You can't define words and then use them according to your own definition and expect people to agree with you. Rather, you should try to learn the common usage of words by other people and adapt your language to theirs. This is especially important with words like 'soul' and 'God' which people have wildly different ideas about.

There is no such thing as an 'energy signature'. There are three typical uses of the word energy. The first is the purely physical sense of the word; a value conserved in any situation in which there is an imbalanced force. The second definition is that of vibrancy. Essentially, you can say a person is 'energetic' or 'has much energy', which is another way of saying that they are vibrant or vivified.

The third definition is the 'new age' definition. Energy is a word for 'stuff' that works in a mysterious way and does whatever magical thing you feel like at the time. For example, the 'energy' that people use to conjure 'psi-balls' is manipulated through concentration. How is this done? No idea!

gigacannon
Crew


Redem
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:31 am


SlaveToMetal

OK first of all
Soul= an immortal part of a human not the flesh or memories .. just a certain energy that can be changed
Spirit = the vehicle of that energy .. the way to connect to it and change it or move it how ever you wish ..
also that energy is totally detectable.. if you know what to look for. People have energy signatures .. magnetic just like gravity it is always there but usually ignored.

Anything which has electrical energy flowing through it forms a magnetic field. We are no different.

However, this is a product of the way our physical bodies work, and has no bearing on the existance, or not, of the soul.

SlaveToMetal

The personality and memories are of course changed.. that is a purely psychological/physical thing. The so-called metaphysical such as ghosts and spirit travel and out of body experiences are people connecting to their own changeable energy. So when we die our energy remains causing these "metaphysical" experiences like apparitions and things like that.


If that "energy" remains, it wouldn't be able to hold form. It would not have any substance to form light, and it certainly wouldn't have any identity.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:44 pm


I know this belief seems to contradict my previous statements .. but i have seen what people would call spirits and i have "spirit travelled" ...I am well aware that this could all be caused by an overactive mind ..My previous post was more to explain my opinion not to define words .. This is precisely why i am studying psychology .. to figure out why i see "spirits" and why i can travel... NO i am not making this up

Cassandra_Bloodmoon

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