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 Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:42 am
Buttery Biscuit Face Do people actually look at that s**t anyway? o.o
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:06 am
Please don't use the word hermaphrodite, it is called intersex. It isn't possible for humans to be a hermaphrodite.
Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic.
That is probably one reason why they don't have that option. If they put other where you state you identify on FB, there is a possibility others might not take it well. People don't just have friends on there, but often family and co-works, etc....
Though I posted something on my FB before and have I a few friends who are open about their identity and orientation and most seem supportive and most know I have serious health issues (including PCOS, Hypothyroid and CAH which I explained and post links to about that and intersex), but most the people on there are fellow belly dancers I see and work with (all female) and though if serious, my teacher would allow male students/intersex or anyone if they are serious about learning... and most are very nice, many may be uncomfortable about that and might feel even more so if I shared everything to all the dancers.
Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general.
Just my two cents, coming from someone who is technically intersexed.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:30 am
You can always think of it this way;
the people who choose to actually get to know you on Facebook (know you in person or in a personal manner) will understand who and/or "what" you are in regards to gender and even sexuality. That is, if they even care about any of that, then they'll certainly ask for clarification.
As for everyone else on Facebook who either doesn't care enough to ask or is too ignorant or self-consumed, well then they needn't any explanation as to your gender identity because ultimately it won't matter to them and it wouldn't be worth explaining.
Generally speaking, the American population is not exposed to any sort of 3rd gender/alternative gender identities nor are they particularly informed on sexuality. All in all, it's a complete lack and failure to educate people. Adding alternative options for gender on Facebook would just be over the heads of the majority of users. Now I'm not saying only the masses should be catered to but as far as extra options it's safe to say that only a very VERY select minority of would actually be properly educated enough to know what they even mean.
So, with all that said, this isn't necessarily a matter of inequality and blatant shunning of those who identify with alternative genders, I would just think that it's plain old obliviousness.
In due time, though, I'm sure, just as with the recent updates for the sexuality and relationship statuses on Facebook, the gender category will also catch up.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:26 pm
How about you bypass all that check-marking crap and put all your information in your About Me/Description section.
Problem solved.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:00 pm
I personally don't even understand why this is on here. Why not post this on Facebook and work there? I understand your trying to spread the word but your not really doing anything about it. Your waiting for someone else too.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:24 am
Playboy Karasu Uchiha Please don't use the word hermaphrodite, it is called intersex. It isn't possible for humans to be a hermaphrodite. Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic. That is probably one reason why they don't have that option. If they put other where you state you identify on FB, there is a possibility others might not take it well. People don't just have friends on there, but often family and co-works, etc.... Though I posted something on my FB before and have I a few friends who are open about their identity and orientation and most seem supportive and most know I have serious health issues (including PCOS, Hypothyroid and CAH which I explained and post links to about that and intersex), but most the people on there are fellow belly dancers I see and work with (all female) and though if serious, my teacher would allow male students/intersex or anyone if they are serious about learning... and most are very nice, many may be uncomfortable about that and might feel even more so if I shared everything to all the dancers. Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general. Just my two cents, coming from someone who is technically intersexed. whats the differentce between a hermapherdite and intersex? i always thought intersex was just the polite/politicly correct way of saying hermapherdite. i didnt realize there was an actual difference. why cant humans be hermapherdites? on topic, it would be nice if they had a niether option for the gender and sexual orientation, but i dont see a need for them to list ever gender and orientation. that would take forever and lets face it, people are making up new ones all the time so they would constantly have to add more i also like the idea of just leaving both of those as a fill in the blank and the user just type in whatever they want
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:41 am
Shanna66 Playboy Karasu Uchiha Please don't use the word hermaphrodite, it is called intersex. It isn't possible for humans to be a hermaphrodite. Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic. That is probably one reason why they don't have that option. If they put other where you state you identify on FB, there is a possibility others might not take it well. People don't just have friends on there, but often family and co-works, etc.... Though I posted something on my FB before and have I a few friends who are open about their identity and orientation and most seem supportive and most know I have serious health issues (including PCOS, Hypothyroid and CAH which I explained and post links to about that and intersex), but most the people on there are fellow belly dancers I see and work with (all female) and though if serious, my teacher would allow male students/intersex or anyone if they are serious about learning... and most are very nice, many may be uncomfortable about that and might feel even more so if I shared everything to all the dancers. Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general. Just my two cents, coming from someone who is technically intersexed. whats the differentce between a hermapherdite and intersex? i always thought intersex was just the polite/politicly correct way of saying hermapherdite. i didnt realize there was an actual difference. why cant humans be hermapherdites? on topic, it would be nice if they had a niether option for the gender and sexual orientation, but i dont see a need for them to list ever gender and orientation. that would take forever and lets face it, people are making up new ones all the time so they would constantly have to add more i also like the idea of just leaving both of those as a fill in the blank and the user just type in whatever they want Hermapherdites are what snails are. They are both completely male and female and can breed with each other but intersex, each condition is different and though some can have kids, we arn't completely both male and female, but more of a mix. There are many different cases, such as people with ambigous genitalia (not everyone has that), chromosomes may be different. Maybe one appears to be female or male on the outside but on the side, maybe their reproduction organs are incomplete or different or they have over or under production of sex hormones. My case is that on the outside I look female (I had hormone therapy, estrogen to help out but quit the hormone therapy earlier this year because I wasn't happy with it.), but on the inside, my endocrine system seems to be different and produces more androgen's, such as testosterone and it inferring with my reproductive organs to the point I don't even have periods on my own most of the time). I have PCOS but most likely have Congenital Andrenal Hyperplasia (late onset/non-classical) which untreated, causes PCOS and other problems. It's genetic, so either one parent has it or both are carries. I believe my mom is borderline. We both fit the symptoms, but the problem is finding a real good doctor. I know my androgen levels are really high, like 3x more and don't seem to be producing progesterone, which is mainly a female hormone and does a lot. Also the hormones are that are supposed to stimulate follicles don't (I have to take another blood test to check all those hormones once again) . Boys and girls could have it, but it is only considered an intersex condition with people with xx chromosomes. Actually my mom was preparing to have a baby boy, she didn't expect me to be a girl and my body doesn't function like girls are supposed. She actually doesn't mind buying me boys clothing or binding at times. It's a weird family situation. I can't breed with people with the same condition that also have the same chromosomes (also xx), so we aren't Hermaphrodites. You will often see Transgender and intersex together and many transgender may technically have intersex conditions not know it, but not all are intersex and not all intersex people consider themselves transgender. This is why people want intersex and trans separately. Though studies show that many XX (girls) that have PCOS and CAH (congenital Adrenal hyperplaisa) are more like to be transgender, lesbians or bisexual. Cisgender straight can have those conditions well, but seems to be higher with trans, lesbians and bis, most likely because the male hormones. Many also seem to have some masculine traits. Each case is different and their are still debates going on. Maybe these links could help http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/intersex.aspxhttp://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20030603024754_health_news.shtmlI hope I did well explaining everything, it's a lot I know.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:20 am
Shanna66 whats the differentce between a hermapherdite and intersex? i always thought intersex was just the polite/politicly correct way of saying hermapherdite. i didnt realize there was an actual difference. why cant humans be hermapherdites? A true hermapherdite is a being that has both fully male and fully female functioning sexual organs. It just doesn't happen in humans, because genetically and hormonally our sexual organs develop from the same material and we don't have the ability to switch how they work later in life, so humans are intersexed and not hermaphredites. Buttery Biscuit Face It doesn't really matter at all. Do people actually look at that s**t anyway? o.o Yes- it matters in the same way that being recognized and affirmed as someone who is Gay or Lesbian or Bisexual matters instead of people pretending we don't exist or that we're just confused or haven't met the right person of the opposite sex yet... Playboy Karasu Uchiha Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic. I think the main issue is that this would have to be a choice that people made for themselves- I can't blame anyone for not outing themselves on FB, but I am upset that I don't have an option that is equal to one that say- our guild captain or my gf has. Quote: Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general. I can't fault anyone for that. cat_wink noigel How about you bypass all that check-marking crap and put all your information in your About Me/Description section. Problem solved. I don't think it solves the problem and I explained why it still creates inequality in other posts. TheLostAngel-Mika I personally don't even understand why this is on here. Why not post this on Facebook and work there? I understand your trying to spread the word but your not really doing anything about it. Your waiting for someone else too. We're doing both- because awareness doesn't have to be limited to a single place and we are doing things about it because we're showing people how they can let FB know that it's unequal. Der Fluch des Pharao You can always think of it this way;
the people who choose to actually get to know you on Facebook (know you in person or in a personal manner) will understand who and/or "what" you are in regards to gender and even sexuality. That is, if they even care about any of that, then they'll certainly ask for clarification.
As for everyone else on Facebook who either doesn't care enough to ask or is too ignorant or self-consumed, well then they needn't any explanation as to your gender identity because ultimately it won't matter to them and it wouldn't be worth explaining. Thinking about it like that doesn't make it equal- which is the problem. Der Fluch des Pharao Generally speaking, the American population is not exposed to any sort of 3rd gender/alternative gender identities nor are they particularly informed on sexuality. All in all, it's a complete lack and failure to educate people. Adding alternative options for gender on Facebook would just be over the heads of the majority of users. Now I'm not saying only the masses should be catered to but as far as extra options it's safe to say that only a very VERY select minority of would actually be properly educated enough to know what they even mean.
So, with all that said, this isn't necessarily a matter of inequality and blatant shunning of those who identify with alternative genders, I would just think that it's plain old obliviousness.
In due time, though, I'm sure, just as with the recent updates for the sexuality and relationship statuses on Facebook, the gender category will also catch up.
It is a matter of inequality even if it isn't a matter of "blatant shunning" of other people- that's not a sound argument because I don't need people to burn crosses on my yard for them to discriminate against me because of my race, and that kind of obliviousness only works when no one speaks up- since people have spoken up and nothing has changed, then it isn't a matter of obliviousness anymore.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:27 am
Playboy Karasu Uchiha Shanna66 Playboy Karasu Uchiha Please don't use the word hermaphrodite, it is called intersex. It isn't possible for humans to be a hermaphrodite. Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic. That is probably one reason why they don't have that option. If they put other where you state you identify on FB, there is a possibility others might not take it well. People don't just have friends on there, but often family and co-works, etc.... Though I posted something on my FB before and have I a few friends who are open about their identity and orientation and most seem supportive and most know I have serious health issues (including PCOS, Hypothyroid and CAH which I explained and post links to about that and intersex), but most the people on there are fellow belly dancers I see and work with (all female) and though if serious, my teacher would allow male students/intersex or anyone if they are serious about learning... and most are very nice, many may be uncomfortable about that and might feel even more so if I shared everything to all the dancers. Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general. Just my two cents, coming from someone who is technically intersexed. whats the differentce between a hermapherdite and intersex? i always thought intersex was just the polite/politicly correct way of saying hermapherdite. i didnt realize there was an actual difference. why cant humans be hermapherdites? on topic, it would be nice if they had a niether option for the gender and sexual orientation, but i dont see a need for them to list ever gender and orientation. that would take forever and lets face it, people are making up new ones all the time so they would constantly have to add more i also like the idea of just leaving both of those as a fill in the blank and the user just type in whatever they want Hermapherdites are what snails are. They are both completely male and female and can breed with each other but intersex, each condition is different and though some can have kids, we arn't completely both male and female, but more of a mix. There are many different cases, such as people with ambigous genitalia (not everyone has that), chromosomes may be different. Maybe one appears to be female or male on the outside but on the side, maybe their reproduction organs are incomplete or different or they have over or under production of sex hormones. My case is that on the outside I look female (I had hormone therapy, estrogen to help out but quit the hormone therapy earlier this year because I wasn't happy with it.), but on the inside, my endocrine system seems to be different and produces more androgen's, such as testosterone and it inferring with my reproductive organs to the point I don't even have periods on my own most of the time). I have PCOS but most likely have Congenital Andrenal Hyperplasia (late onset/non-classical) which untreated, causes PCOS and other problems. It's genetic, so either one parent has it or both are carries. I believe my mom is borderline. We both fit the symptoms, but the problem is finding a real good doctor. I know my androgen levels are really high, like 3x more and don't seem to be producing progesterone, which is mainly a female hormone and does a lot. Also the hormones are that are supposed to stimulate follicles don't (I have to take another blood test to check all those hormones once again) . Boys and girls could have it, but it is only considered an intersex condition with people with xx chromosomes. Actually my mom was preparing to have a baby boy, she didn't expect me to be a girl and my body doesn't function like girls are supposed. She actually doesn't mind buying me boys clothing or binding at times. It's a weird family situation. I can't breed with people with the same condition that also have the same chromosomes (also xx), so we aren't Hermaphrodites. You will often see Transgender and intersex together and many transgender may technically have intersex conditions not know it, but not all are intersex and not all intersex people consider themselves transgender. This is why people want intersex and trans separately. Though studies show that many XX (girls) that have PCOS and CAH (congenital Adrenal hyperplaisa) are more like to be transgender, lesbians or bisexual. Cisgender straight can have those conditions well, but seems to be higher with trans, lesbians and bis, most likely because the male hormones. Many also seem to have some masculine traits. Each case is different and their are still debates going on. Maybe these links could help http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/intersex.aspxhttp://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20030603024754_health_news.shtmlI hope I did well explaining everything, it's a lot I know. thanks so much for all the info on it biggrin in bio we just learned that whatever had both male and female bits was a hermapherdite. it wasnt the best bio class in the world though and the teacher didnt know much on certain subjects so it doesnt suprise me she was usin the wrong words
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:32 am
Esiris Yes- it matters in the same way that being recognized and affirmed as someone who is Gay or Lesbian or Bisexual matters instead of people pretending we don't exist or that we're just confused or haven't met the right person of the opposite sex yet... Do you just come on here to b***h at people?
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:49 am
Buttery Biscuit Face Do you just come on here to b***h at people? I don't see me standing up for my identity as bitching at people any more than I see a Gay person wanting the right to get the same tax break when married as bitching at people. cat_neutral
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:01 am
Esiris Buttery Biscuit Face Do you just come on here to b***h at people? I don't see me standing up for my identity as bitching at people any more than I see a Gay person wanting the right to get the same tax break when married as bitching at people. cat_neutral But, this is such a petty matter. There are much bigger things out there, such as gay and trans people getting killed in multiple countries. Why don't we do something about that instead of this Facebook bullshit?
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:10 am
Shanna66 Playboy Karasu Uchiha Shanna66 Playboy Karasu Uchiha Please don't use the word hermaphrodite, it is called intersex. It isn't possible for humans to be a hermaphrodite. Anyways, as someone who has an intersex condition, I wouldn't even want to share that on FB, they would know my name and that fact would be open to everyone not just people I want to know. Seems it could be really risky and wouldn't feel safe and people where I live are dangerous enough. I am also most likely demisexual (not quite asexual but need a connect with someone first), panromantic. That is probably one reason why they don't have that option. If they put other where you state you identify on FB, there is a possibility others might not take it well. People don't just have friends on there, but often family and co-works, etc.... Though I posted something on my FB before and have I a few friends who are open about their identity and orientation and most seem supportive and most know I have serious health issues (including PCOS, Hypothyroid and CAH which I explained and post links to about that and intersex), but most the people on there are fellow belly dancers I see and work with (all female) and though if serious, my teacher would allow male students/intersex or anyone if they are serious about learning... and most are very nice, many may be uncomfortable about that and might feel even more so if I shared everything to all the dancers. Maybe they should have that option for the people that want or have the option of only allowing the people you want to know to see that info, but beware there might be risks involved if you aren't open to everyone or people on there might not be supportive. Personally I think FB asks too many personal questions and I keep info hidden in general. Just my two cents, coming from someone who is technically intersexed. whats the differentce between a hermapherdite and intersex? i always thought intersex was just the polite/politicly correct way of saying hermapherdite. i didnt realize there was an actual difference. why cant humans be hermapherdites? on topic, it would be nice if they had a niether option for the gender and sexual orientation, but i dont see a need for them to list ever gender and orientation. that would take forever and lets face it, people are making up new ones all the time so they would constantly have to add more i also like the idea of just leaving both of those as a fill in the blank and the user just type in whatever they want Hermapherdites are what snails are. They are both completely male and female and can breed with each other but intersex, each condition is different and though some can have kids, we arn't completely both male and female, but more of a mix. There are many different cases, such as people with ambigous genitalia (not everyone has that), chromosomes may be different. Maybe one appears to be female or male on the outside but on the side, maybe their reproduction organs are incomplete or different or they have over or under production of sex hormones. My case is that on the outside I look female (I had hormone therapy, estrogen to help out but quit the hormone therapy earlier this year because I wasn't happy with it.), but on the inside, my endocrine system seems to be different and produces more androgen's, such as testosterone and it inferring with my reproductive organs to the point I don't even have periods on my own most of the time). I have PCOS but most likely have Congenital Andrenal Hyperplasia (late onset/non-classical) which untreated, causes PCOS and other problems. It's genetic, so either one parent has it or both are carries. I believe my mom is borderline. We both fit the symptoms, but the problem is finding a real good doctor. I know my androgen levels are really high, like 3x more and don't seem to be producing progesterone, which is mainly a female hormone and does a lot. Also the hormones are that are supposed to stimulate follicles don't (I have to take another blood test to check all those hormones once again) . Boys and girls could have it, but it is only considered an intersex condition with people with xx chromosomes. Actually my mom was preparing to have a baby boy, she didn't expect me to be a girl and my body doesn't function like girls are supposed. She actually doesn't mind buying me boys clothing or binding at times. It's a weird family situation. I can't breed with people with the same condition that also have the same chromosomes (also xx), so we aren't Hermaphrodites. You will often see Transgender and intersex together and many transgender may technically have intersex conditions not know it, but not all are intersex and not all intersex people consider themselves transgender. This is why people want intersex and trans separately. Though studies show that many XX (girls) that have PCOS and CAH (congenital Adrenal hyperplaisa) are more like to be transgender, lesbians or bisexual. Cisgender straight can have those conditions well, but seems to be higher with trans, lesbians and bis, most likely because the male hormones. Many also seem to have some masculine traits. Each case is different and their are still debates going on. Maybe these links could help http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/intersex.aspxhttp://www.aphroditewomenshealth.com/news/20030603024754_health_news.shtmlI hope I did well explaining everything, it's a lot I know. thanks so much for all the info on it biggrin in bio we just learned that whatever had both male and female bits was a hermapherdite. it wasnt the best bio class in the world though and the teacher didnt know much on certain subjects so it doesnt suprise me she was usin the wrong words You're welcome and don't worry about. A lot of people don't know about intersex. Just glad to help. smile
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:23 am
Buttery Biscuit Face But, this is such a petty matter. There are much bigger things out there, such as gay and trans people getting killed in multiple countries. Why don't we do something about that instead of this Facebook bullshit? I don't consider equality to be petty- and equality has to be everywhere for it to be equality. I do things to help LGBT people around the world- and I do this too! Doing more doesn't take away from the other important things I do. Edit: Please don't minimize what people do- whatever it is, to work for equality.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:34 am
Esiris Buttery Biscuit Face But, this is such a petty matter. There are much bigger things out there, such as gay and trans people getting killed in multiple countries. Why don't we do something about that instead of this Facebook bullshit? I don't consider equality to be petty- and equality has to be everywhere for it to be equality. I do things to help LGBT people around the world- and I do this too! Doing more doesn't take away from the other important things I do. Help them, yeah? By doing what?
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